Posted on 09/04/2012 5:37:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee
Now the subject of the "Food Justice" movement.
Methinks you two are arguing about different scenarios.
Katrina was a localized event of short duration and substantial advanced notice. The whole country contributed to rescuing it. The entitled could, on the whole, sit there for a few days and wait for others to meet their needs; uncomfortable, yes, but not long for the system to restart.
The point of this thread is a national event of indefinite duration and little advanced notice. The entitled would not be helped as the would-be helpers would be suffering themselves.
One city, a few days’ warning, a few days’ crisis, yes warehouses can be raided to compensate.
All cities, a few hours’ warning, ongoing crisis, all warehouses will be emptied in short order and no one available for distribution and no viable infrastructure to distribute on.
Different scenarios.
>> Much of the fiber laid in the 1990’s lays dormant.
Are you sure? Because I know people who are laying fiber again, or rather, my wife does (clients).
It's wonderful to be right so often!
A grain reserve would be invaluable during droughts
“This raises the question whether a strategic grain reserve needs to be established, much like the strategic petroleum reserve, for use in times of major supply disruptions. The United States maintained such reserve stocks of grains in the past. Over time, these grain reserve programs were discontinued largely because of cost and improved market efficiency. If future supply disruptions attributable to drought become more frequent, they may affect not only
livestock production but human food consumption as well. Some type of a grain reserve may make sense in this changing environment.”
USDA: No strategic grain reserves…they sold them!
http://ppjg.me/2010/11/12/usda-no-strategic-grain-reserves-they-sold-them/
Tons more links if you care to look.
“Could you command a force if you could only communicate with 10% of it?”
Yes. 1 tells 10. This situation isn’t the same as a military force; this is one rather nervous and actionable person getting with others.
Are you a Pournelle reader? He has been quoting from that for years.
Surplus U.S. food supplies dry up
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2008-05-01-usda-food-supply_N.htm
Yep. Positive. Ask her about the Colorado lines. I know what I see and hear but perhaps she has a better view of it all.
You know, re: snap cards, it’s not even real money anymore. It’s just virtual numbers in a bank account somewhere.
If the various com links die, either because they are cut intentionally or for whatever reason, SNAP dies. No matter how good the states budget is, no matter if the state is sitting on a pile of cash a mile high.
Of course the ATM network is probably dead then also.
That’s when things get serious.
I agree that the rioters/looters will not be freedom fighters & no one is saying that they will be. What is being said is that certain members of the MSM & political class will try mightily to proclaim them as such.
This is a very strong worst case scenario based on historical experiences from around the world of conflicts based on race/faith/ethnic/political conflicts combined with the fact that entirely to many of our fellow citizens have no clue how to even plant a garden let alone how to do home canning, or how to get by for as little as a week without electricity.
One psychopath and a boy. One shot and run.
I am really enjoying your posts. It’s kinda like listening to my 11 year old grandson talk about life. I live in a city and not being wealthy and a high rise resident, I understand stand the murderous hatred that a self identified tribe has for what it perceives to be my tribe. The happiest day of my life will be when I put the towers of this cesspool in my rear view mirror.
Nice
Don’t be to sure about that ,the state of California has been sending out IOU’s to taxpayers instead of checks for tax refunds for years. Grocery stores refuse to cash them & banks & credit unions / savings & loans also were refusing to cash them or accept them for deposit.
The State of California is in even worse shape with regard to its finances than ever before.
The trouble with looking at a single facet of American Agribusiness is that it will invariably look bizarre, and this is the case here.
W. Bush is somewhat to blame for the idea of centralizing food production and distribution. He was very big into the idea of a North American Union, the Plan Pueblo Panama, FTAA, the trans-Texas corridor, and other such nonsensical pipe dream indulgences.
However, that being said, all the second link did was to assert that one part of the system had been bled dry. And this is accurate. But that does not mean that the same has happened to its parallel systems.
(And truthfully, he killed his credibility at the end by saying, “As for bio-terrorism……considering we have more than 700 bio-weapons labs cris-crossing the country, its pretty safe to say that should we have a bio weapon attack, it will probably originate from a city near you.”)
Bottom line: Right now, almost 40% of our corn crop goes to ethanol.
The USDA site also says that 4.1% of U.S. corn (2008) goes for high fructose corn syrup. That means that since 29.9% of all U.S. cropland harvested was planted in corn in 2007, 1.2% of all U.S. cropland harvested in 2007 went for high fructose corn syrup. That’s only slightly less than the 1.5% of U.S. cropland devoted to vegetables or the 1.6% of U.S. cropland devoted to [fruit] orchards.
All the US has to do is stop converting corn into ethanol, and in short order, we are up to our eyebrows in corn.
Could begin any day.
Prepare now.
Beyond “Lucifer’s Hammer”, no.
The person I really should talk to is my college roommate who does big cellular backhaul stuff. Did a lot of microwave back in the day, has been doing big fiber for at least a decade and a half. OC192 and up stuff.
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