Yikes!
Posted on 09/04/2012 8:29:20 PM PDT by SatinDoll
Bump for later reading.
But another reason for making drugs legal. This is going to sound like a weak argument, but: it's just something to do, shake things up. Show that we're smarter than they were back in the 1930s when they devised all these stupid laws largely to employ the ex-prohibition enforcers. And save the SWAT teams and police state for real threats, like what we're talking about here.
What sprang to my mind is the Saiga semi-auto. Post 84 has one in a custom configuration, one of many you could go with. If unfamiliar but considering, hang out for a while here:
http://forum.saiga-12.com/
As the AK’s big brother, it has many fans.
I’m not sure if they’re still manufacturing .410 and 20 gauge versions, but they exist. Tilt-in magazines come in 10-round, 12-round sticks and 20-round drums. Also 5-round and 8-round. Choices are 19” or 24” barrel.
WRT modifications, most of the aftermarket add-ons and magazines are aimed at 12 gauge with 19” barrel. Two modifications I recommend for your purposes:
1. LRBHO (last-round-bolt-hold-open) for easier reloads with less fumbling due to grip changes; and
2. Pistol grip folding (not collapsing) stock, one that does not block firing while folded, for close quarters manueverability.
Lots of gun pr0n is in the link above, but IMHO shortening the gun for QCB is best accomplished via the folding stock, vice shortening the barrel.
That said, I’ve not made these changes to mine, tho I would if I could. Baby bangs all day long right out of the box.
“There are very, very few people in the impoverished areas who would be considered preppers. I have heard people remark aloud, “I’m hungry, I wish the mailman would come...””
The problem is not limited to the “impoverished areas” as the vast majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. A very high percentage don’t have more than 1 or 2 days of food in their house.
A bank holiday or a closed highway and there are a LOT of hungry people.
I’m still not as prepped as I should be but I’m working on it.
People who are caught up in popular culture and chasing their own (or someone else’s) tail are going to be very umpleasantly surprised that being current on fashion and American Idol, Survivor Wherever and the Kardashians won’t keep their bellies full when the SHTF.
I’m not either but I keep plugging away at it. Trying to focus on the fundamentals first and add in other things as possible.
I think the real danger will be the ‘government’ as they seek to collect hoarders and/or forcibly relocate people into camps.
I think riots will be highly localized and not a main concern for me. The random looter will be a danger but easily stopped as they will move on to easier targets.
How long until the shit hits the fan, before or after the election?
I’ve been contemplating that very question now for a couple of years. My answer changes nearly daily as different viewpoints are presented here and in the media.
My first answer is simple, SHTF will happen. When is the question, what will be the trigger? Or perhaps the trigger has already been pulled?
Biblically the trigger is always in the Middle East. So what is the biggest thing currently happening there? The fall of the current leadership of the various Muslim controlled or leaning countries. That poses a threat to Israel and her very existence. This time I think the Israelis will not back down, they may lose and the nation will cease to exist. But it I believe it will be a Pyrrhic victory as her enemies will also cease to exist. And I think that that trigger has been pulled, when the explosion will occur is up for discussion, but it is going to happen.
Locally, (The United States), I think the trigger has also been pulled. And it is and was a financial one. I also think that when the results become obvious to us all is when the Entitlements just... Crash. That’s right, ALL Entitlements Social Security, Government Pensions, Welfare, School Monies, etc. will just stop.
Now what happens after that can be extrapolated using what has occurred after other disasters, (Mostly Natural), but subtracting out the Fed and State Governments rushing needed supplies, assistance, etc. But mostly MONEY and that to me is amusing in an academic sense.
It’s not like all of those things still aren’t available it’s just that the medium that replaced barter, (Money), will be gone and without the guarantee that a person’s work, supplies, goods or whatever will be paid for; you will find that people will not put out those things for free.
And our entitlement class is not going to take that sitting down, if it isn’t given to them, they will just go and try to take it from those who won’t give it to them willingly or unwillingly. If that does come to pass, then I think the troubles will last less than four month’s depending on the time of year it occurs at. Why? They won’t be alive, bad sanitation, disease, lack of food and medicines will do them in.
That’s my view as of today, take what you want out of it, (your mileage will vary).
I think you are right. For one thing, just having fuel to get around would be a problem. Even if they got out into the countryside, cars full of MUYs on country highways would be a turkey shoot. Moreover, I don’t think most MUYs would be psychologically able to leave their urban areas.
Yikes!
“I think the real danger will be the ‘government’ as they seek to collect hoarders and/or forcibly relocate people into camps.”
I forget who originally said it, but never become a refugee, you lose everything.
And don’t ever get on the train, you probably won’t like where it goes.
Hey, I have a female friend who has that as her bumper sticker.
In my world, she gets absolute right-of-way, every darned time! LOL!
Your talking about the guys who don't get up before 11, right? It is difficult to organize when you have lost critical thinking skills to years of heavy drug use. War is a thinking mans game.
I wish I had the money to buy a ranch in Idaho or someplace. I don’t so I’ll stay here in the Tampa area.
I look to the hurricanes as an example of how people will behave. There will be an initial wave of looters once the law breaks down. It can happen very quickly and the police won’t be around to stop them.
Good people will help other good people. The govt (if any) will try to feed those who need help but you will have to go to the govt, the govt will not go to you. Once the gas tanks are empty there won’t be much movement.
I worry some about the large population in Florida but dont expect much. There isn’t much to the south of me. Miami has a lot of people but they won’t make it though the swamps to get to Tampa.
Ya rolls the dice and takes yer chances.
Lord of the Flies type stuff.
LOL. She and several other gals are thinking about joining the SAS group. They and their hubbies / BFs shoot at a local range every Wednesday and have asked me to come with them.
I heard there were clean showers at the destination...
For your own personal safety’s sake, GO! (lol)
She needs to quit throwing women under the bus.
“War is a thinking mans game.”
I agree with you. The innner city gangs will still be a significant threat. What they have going for them is desperation and utter ruthlessness. They already kill with no compunction and very little provocation. Sometimes they kill just for sport. We in the civilized world have been taught taking a human life is a weighty action. We have been taught to take life only as a last resort or, worse, only government has a right to take a human life. I know this for the lie it is. I was on St. Croix in 1989 after Hurricane Hugo. It was everyman for himself and most of the natives had no regard for others or their property. I had a friend who was beaten and tied to a chair while a group of savages repeatedly raped his pretty young wife. I drove off looters at gunpoint. The inner city gangs will die quickly but represent an incredible danger before they do.
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