Skip to comments.Smart Grid: What is the Cost?
Posted on 09/22/2012 8:55:27 AM PDT by RightSideNews
The smart grid: Whats really at stake?
Look at British Columbia: Around the globe, citizens of all walks of life are invited to realize that were all now on the playing field of a corporate control end-game. Through power grid modifications and smart meter installations, monopolistic forces are currently implementing a highly-hackable smart system of wireless utility metering, monitoring, selling private data, and control of life in citizens homes.
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The goal of UN Agenda 21 is to abolish private property rights and impoverish and eventually starve anybody who is not a member of the global ruling-class so the global ruling-class can live in the Walden paradise that they deserve.
We have already decided to install an alternative electrical system.
Personally I like the monitoring aspect of “smart grid” technology - I’m able to see a real time use of electricity, and I don’t think I really care if someone sees my utility usage.
I do not want on the other hand, control or any restriction on my usage if I have the money to pay for it.
I've seen a ton of hysteria about the smart grid which simply isn't true. It's main benefits are actually seen within the utility companies own infrastructure so they can be aware of constraints, outages, etc at their own transformers and substations.
And the reality of that is that the installations of that level are not prevalent. 40% of all power produced is lost through grid inefficiencies. The "smart grid" when it becomes reality will be used to reduce that.
If you want to be worried about anything, be worried about the reality of dynamic pricing or paying the TRUE price of energy without price controls that have been in pla for more than 20 years. Just go look at the real time pricing within PJM or other system operators.
The primary reason for installing a smart grid is so you can read the meters without sending guys around in trucks to do the job every month. And as long as you’re gathering the data, why not gather it real time, rather than once a month?
Her in Vermont, our electric cooperative is putting in smart meters, but NOT wireless, because their hippie customers would be up in arms if they did that, fearful that all that wireless stuff would rot their brains. (And who knows, maybe it would?)
Not really much different from having a cash machine to replace a teller.
Primary purpose, to save money. Secondary purpose, to give you a detailed picture of your electric use.
Oh, and also, in case of a power failure, it helps them to locate where the problem is a lot faster.
“I do not want on the other hand, control or any restriction on my usage if I have the money to pay for it”.
One of many reasons for smart grid tech. For our local coop, the ability to randomly shut customers down during high usage and thus high cost times should generate savings by shifting usage to low cost time of day versus high usage during high cost hours.
OTOH, if there was not a “war on coal” and other EPA stupidity, we wouldn’t have to worry about peak hours of usage for a while.
You said it! Agenda 21 is a serious concern, but I can't figure out how it has been linked to smart meters. Pretty soon we'll have smart "everything", with sensors everywhere in our daily life and we'll have to deal with the security and privacy issues that go along with that. But a Luddite reaction to new technology just serves to undermine the attempts to stop Agenda 21.
I refuse to allow them to put a smart meter on my house.
I dare them to cut my service when my bills are paid on time, too.
Never EVER buy any electric appliance that has an “energy star” rating, either. They’re all able to “phone home” to the electric company.
Implementing a **highly-hackable** system of wireless utility metering, monitoring, selling private data, and control of life in citizens.
“For our local coop, the ability to randomly shut customers down during high usage and thus high cost times should generate savings”
I understand - but I’d rather control my energy usage during peak times rather than have it controlled for me. With smart grid tech they can bill me more at certain times of the day rather than shut me off.... my choice.
Sigh. Not this s**t again.
Look, I design wireless meter reading equipment and "smart meters" for a living. I hold a patent that is the basis for my company's "drive-by" system. I know a few things about them, OK?
They do not "control life" in citizens' homes. If you agree to have your pool pump or water heater shut down at peak demand times, you can always go and push the button and turn it back on. Demand response SAVES PEOPLE MONEY by avoiding power drain at peak times, when utilities have to bring expensive auxilliary generation on-line.
I guess you'd prefer rolling blackouts. Keep up the attacks on metering, and you'll have them soon enough.
These meters have so little memory in their little computers, there isn't room for surveillance or whatever you think they are doing. And if any of that kind of crap showed up at a software design review at my company, it would immediately be taken out, because that isn't the kind of junk we do.
And "smart grid" is just a method to re-route large electric transmission lines to meet demand and to overcome damage. If there was a severe solar storm, or God forbid, EMP, a "smart grid" might allow us to shut down in time to avoid damage.
And as to "hackable", I'd like to see any hacker try. Oh, wait, they did, and 256-bit AES encryption isn't breakable in a reasonable length of time. That's why the NSA and other government agencies use it for encryption of top-secret data.
I get so tired of these threads that bash American meter manufacturers who create thousands of high-tech jobs. There is plenty of Agenda 21 and other communist crap in government. Take the witch hunt ELSEWHERE.
PROVE IT. Show me in the schematic of these appliance or in their firmware that they have a wired or wireless connection back to the utility company. You can't.
THAT IS A LIE, and you are scaring people by spreading it.
Related article: “Risks of the Smart Grid”
“Personally I like the monitoring aspect of smart grid technology - Im able to see a real time use of electricity, and I dont think I really care if someone sees my utility usage.”
You’ll care when you find out your house was broken into during a vacation, because your ‘smart-meter’ ratted you out to a utility employee who told his not-so-honest buddy.
“It’s pretty clear this is a scare tactic without a whole lot of reality.”
It’s ALWAYS easier to find out afterwards just what the implications of something is. That is the lazy way.
Yes, I have a smart meter. No, it doesn’t control my house. But yes, I may soon have pay HUGE AMOUNTS of money to operate my ac during the summer, during the hottest parts of the day, particularly if the wind isn’t blowing in West Texas.
You may want to next see what’s happening to appliances and other large power users. I value my privacy and ability to use my hardware when I want to without some ‘entity’ punishing me if I don’t do it by their rules - just like I value my freedom to drive when and where I want to, without some government person punishing me for driving at the wrong times, or on the wrong roads, by their standards...but I know that’s coming next.
It’s a shame others are so willing to simply give up their freedoms and privacy so easily.
“Never EVER buy any electric appliance that has an energy star rating, either. Theyre all able to phone home to the electric company.”
I don’t believe that’s the case now...but it will be soon. It won’t just be “Energy Star” it will be everything.
“I guess you’d prefer rolling blackouts. Keep up the attacks on metering, and you’ll have them soon enough. “
Some of us prefer SUFFICIENT CAPACITY. But there is another story about 200 coal plants being shutdown. Yes, we can shut them down, as long as we control when people use power.
You may like that, being an insider and lining your wallet with it, but most people that I know don’t.
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