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Is there a way to win the hearts and minds of ObamaVoters?
Dan Miller's Blog ^ | October 3, 1012 | Dan Miller

Posted on 10/03/2012 5:03:38 PM PDT by DanMiller

If so, we need to find it very soon NOW. I am posting this before tonight's debate because I don't think that will cause much change for the better. I hope I am wrong.

An article at PJ Tatler on October 3d chastised those on the right who fault Governor Romney for not having done an adequate job of campaigning. It's well worth reading in its entirety but this summarizes it:

Mitt Romney is running the best campaign anyone could run under the circumstances.

The circumstances are as follows: the media will not report anything he does unless they think it can be used against him. They’re not in fact reporters, they are, pace Professor Reynolds “Democratic Operatives With Bylines.”

Hence, though Romney and Ryan are crisscrossing the nation, meeting with real citizens, you never hear about it. The media breathlessly cover Obama’s appearances and no it’s not because he’s president. They did the same thing in 08. But Romney and Ryan move in a cone of silence. The only time that cone of silence is broken is when the media thinks Romney has made a gaffe. And the fact that most of those are made up tells you he’s an excellent campaigner.

I agree. Suppose Governor Romney

took every possible step and then some to show that he is ten times more American, loveable, cuddly, kindly, empathetic and intelligent than President Obama, while simultaneously (with the vigorous support of ninety percent of the known economists in the country)

♥ laying out credible and specific plans to balance the budget and also giving multiple free cell phones and gasoline to everybody, subsidizing everyone's rent and paying off everyone's mortgages in the process and

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/watch?v=aTYiKjFnMos?feature=player_detailpage]

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♥ persuasively demonstrating how, during his first week in office, he will reduce the real unemployment rate to less than four percent while making all forms of welfare more available to everyone regardless of employment or immigration status and

♥ immediately bringing peace to the entire world without offending, killing or injuring anyone and

♥ doing every other wonderful thing imaginable but never, ever, doing anything to which anyone could reasonably object.

It would have no effect (except to irritate his conservative and moderately conservative base) if not covered, or if covered with a pro-Obama spin, by the "principled" media to which great masses of voters pay at least some attention. A tree falling in a forest with nobody there to hear it would more likely resonate worldwide.

This Wall Street Journal article asks why the story of the Obama Administration debacle in Libya "won't go away." It pretty much has gone away where it matters for the November 6th election because the "news" sources that come to the attention of low information voters -- few of whom read the Wall Street Journal -- have done a great job (from the Obama Administration's perspective) in covering it with ObamaSpin. Fast and Furious? Isn't that a soap opera about casual sex? No, if it were it would attract far more notice. Univision did a pretty good job of covering it after the Principled Media had substantially failed to do their job. Race pandering? Oh? That's what vile White racists who hate President Obama because he is Black do. To complain about that sort of nonsense is deemed "whining by a loser" and does very little good.

Here's my question: How can we, bloggers and others, get convincing messages to the low information true believers -- who at most watch a bit of fluff on television but still vote -- and to those who read and write stuff at the Librul media? I have tried snark, serious stuff and just about everything in between. It does not seem to matter because it preaches only to the choir. I’m delighted that some choir members may read it, but they aren’t the problem. It does not seem to reach many who are tuned into the Principled Media or who get the sort of stuff I received today from the Obama campaign:

Friend --

In just a little while, I'll go on stage to meet Mitt Romney in the first presidential debate here in Denver.

I couldn't be prouder to represent you out there.

You know, it's because of you that affordable health care is within reach for millions more Americans. It's because of you that we've seen 30 straight months of job growth and middle-class families have seen their taxes cut.

Together, we've done a lot -- but there is so much more to do to keep this country moving forward. That only happens if we win this election.

Before tonight's debate, will you chip in $5 or more to help finish this campaign strong?

https://donate.barackobama.com/Stand-With-Me

Can't wait to see what you do tonight.

Barack

I am afraid that most of us are preaching to the choir. That it works for those on the left is important but sheds no light on our problem. They have a loud choir and letters such as this to the Biased News Media are unlikely to do much good; they are doing what they are paid to do. How can “low information voters” who don’t care about much beyond what’s in it for them, and the Librul true believers who encourage them, be reached and maybe, just maybe, convinced? Have we reached a point beyond which that is no longer possible?

Ideas? Pretty please!



TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: media; obama; racism; voters
I'm not giving up. I just need suggestions on proceeding.
1 posted on 10/03/2012 5:03:47 PM PDT by DanMiller
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To: DanMiller

No, they have neither.


2 posted on 10/03/2012 5:07:24 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Right you are.

You learn that very quickly when your talking to them.


3 posted on 10/03/2012 5:11:09 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: DanMiller

Yes, but it would likely involve brain surgery.


4 posted on 10/03/2012 5:11:20 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: chris37

I work with several “Obama Voters”. They have little heart, and not much in the way of brains. Nothing much but feelings wrapped up in skin.


5 posted on 10/03/2012 5:11:42 PM PDT by 75thOVI ("The crews of all submarines captured should be treated as pirates and hanged". Sir Arthur Wilson)
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To: chris37
No, they have neither.

Agreed.

6 posted on 10/03/2012 5:11:49 PM PDT by EternalHope (Politicians will always let you down. -- Sarah Palin)
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To: DanMiller

Just be as smart and stern as he can be. His job tonight is to show the incompetent President how to run a country. Let’s start by saying. A president should probably know the level of debt your country is in. If it was a joke. How bout asking the dad who just lost his job if he is laughing or the senior who will lose benefits because of your policies if it’s funny and how about asking the millions of twenty something’s if their share of 137,000 per person to pay this debt is funny.... Just in case you care to know..... Our country is 16 trillion dollars in debt!!!


7 posted on 10/03/2012 5:12:33 PM PDT by Texas4ever
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To: DanMiller
Pray! God will help US if we ask... (I like your graphic..:))
8 posted on 10/03/2012 5:12:33 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: DanMiller

No. There is no hope of swaying them. Liberalism is a chronic debilitating mental disease with no known cure.
The sooner that is realized, the sooner the solution is realized. Not sure if there is enough padded cells for all of em though.


9 posted on 10/03/2012 5:14:42 PM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: DanMiller

To the headline: only about 5% will flip, the others have decades of dependance on the government - I weep for this country.
My family all lines have been in the New World since 1625, they fought, they died for freedom all for not it appears.
If they had known what these trials would have rot, would they have continued?
I always knew we were on this path, I just never dreamed I would see it in my lifetime, I am almost glad my grandparent and parents are not here to see it, although my mother when I was ten sat me down and told me what was coming.


10 posted on 10/03/2012 5:14:52 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: DanMiller

Tell them if they put Romney in Presiden he will still let them have a obama phow


11 posted on 10/03/2012 5:17:49 PM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: DanMiller
Best reason to reelect Obamagabe

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12 posted on 10/03/2012 5:19:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: DanMiller

I don’t even try to change their minds.

I sucker them into believing I’m a Democrat voter, draw them into a political discussion and then use extreme sarcasm to mock the lefty’s value systems.

They do not like it and some will even my point but like cow herd going to milking, a lefty will NEVER change.

I’m done with diplomacy. I’m going to F with them like the enemy they are.


13 posted on 10/03/2012 5:20:31 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: DanMiller

Obama cannot be beaten unless he is destroyed in the eyes of the average voter.

The Romney-GOPe machine is unwilling to do this.

They may be right that, if they beat him that way, that the country would disintegrate, but it’s still the only way to win.

Romney would rather lose than tear Obama down - so he will.


14 posted on 10/03/2012 5:20:40 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: DanMiller

Infiltrate. Join the Democrat party. Many of us have. You don’t have to convince everyone, just one. You don’t have to yell and scream, just nod in agreement and then look at them innocently and say, “My Dad says that unemployment has gone up under Obama. What should we say to that?” Mighty trees grow from such a small seed of truth. Don’t try to convince millions, convince just one.


15 posted on 10/03/2012 5:20:51 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: chris37

True.


16 posted on 10/03/2012 5:21:06 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: DanMiller

17 posted on 10/03/2012 5:21:51 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: lgjhn23

“Not sure if there is enough padded cells for all of em though.”

We have more rivers than Indonesia and Cambodia combined.


18 posted on 10/03/2012 5:23:33 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: DanMiller

In a word - nope - sadly this country is full of children - obstinate and defiant - tell them to eat their spinach for their own good, and they stamp their feet and hold their breath ‘til they turn blue - Obama talks nice, and you can’t tell me he’s a small-minded, deceitful, destructive man - they deserve what they’re going to get, but the rest of us don’t.....


19 posted on 10/03/2012 5:30:40 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Le Chien Rouge
“Like the enemy they are.”
I was argueing with one jackass lib,and we did at the end agree that a second civil war could come to this country.
I told him that if civil war came,I would look for him on the field.
20 posted on 10/03/2012 5:39:07 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: DanMiller

Hearts? possibly

Minds? Were talking liberals right?


21 posted on 10/03/2012 5:44:29 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: DanMiller
"Mitt Romney is running the best campaign anyone could run under the circumstances.

The circumstances are as follows: the media will not report anything he does unless they think it can be used against him."

What an ignorant crock o' you-know-what. If Romney had his sleeves rolled up and was putting his knuckles to Obie's head every day, the press would be slavishly reporting it.

Sure, they'd do their utmost to give it their best liberal spin, but there's no way they'd be able to bury or ignore it. The stings and jabs to Bozo's empty cranium would be too sensational to hide.

If the nominee were someone like Newt, Palin, or Cain, they'd have the Obama camp, the LSM, and the entire leftoid Borg playing defense right now. Mitt just doesn't have it in him to attack the enemy the way he should.

22 posted on 10/03/2012 5:46:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: DanMiller

It’s demographics. Whites are being forced into a minority, and non-whites vote for the Democrats. That’s it in a nutshell.
The obvious solution is stop immigration.


23 posted on 10/03/2012 5:46:14 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: DanMiller

If they had “minds” they wouldn’t be 0bama voters.


24 posted on 10/03/2012 5:48:04 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping, gay bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

AMEN and AMEN!


25 posted on 10/03/2012 5:50:24 PM PDT by sport
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To: DanMiller

Go bang your head against a curb somewhere, it’ll probably be more productive.


26 posted on 10/03/2012 5:50:24 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: DanMiller

Hearts? possibly

Minds? Were talking liberals right?


27 posted on 10/03/2012 5:50:29 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: DanMiller

“Is there a way to win the hearts and minds of ObamaVoters?”

No. Of course not.

There is as much possibility of doing that, as there is of convincing conservatives to vote for the ‘rats, and for what the ‘rats represent.

The two sides hold worldviews so far apart, that short of a few “total self-conversions”, the gap can’t be bridged. It’s not so much that the right has moved “further right” (conservative positions don’t change much), it’s that the left has moved far beyond the boundaries of what even traditional democrats once considered normal.

And the left will keep moving leftwards. What will it look like 20 years from now?


28 posted on 10/03/2012 5:52:06 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: DanMiller

“Is there a way to win the hearts and minds of ObamaVoters?”

No. Of course not.

There is as much possibility of doing that, as there is of convincing conservatives to vote for the ‘rats, and for what the ‘rats represent.

The two sides hold worldviews so far apart, that short of a few “total self-conversions”, the gap can’t be bridged. It’s not so much that the right has moved “further right” (conservative positions don’t change much), it’s that the left has moved far beyond the boundaries of what even traditional democrats once considered normal.

And the left will keep moving leftwards. What will it look like 20 years from now?


29 posted on 10/03/2012 5:52:06 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: DanMiller

Yeah. Free Stuff.

Which would kinda defeat the whole point...


30 posted on 10/03/2012 5:52:22 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: DanMiller
Don't overestimate the power of the media. You'd be surprised how many people either tune it out, laugh at its ineptitude, or aren't even near it in the first place. If you are really interested in dealing with Zero voters one-on-one in a way that might persuade them to change, start by listening. Hear them out on what they believe, why they believe it, and consider their sources.

Words and thoughts are exceedingly powerful. That's why we get so perturbed by the media - inept and outdated as they are. But no words spoken outside of the biblical texts are beyond question. Anyway, you/we will make no progress whatsoever by assuming they will never change.

One of the biggest reasons people vote for Obama is because they believe him to be a proponent of justice in taking from the rich and giving to the poor. As such, they consider themselves instruments in making the weak strong, and vice versa. The only problem with that is use of the sword. By using Obama (or government in general) to execute equalization of wealth, they in fact rob both rich and the poor, because the poor no longer have a source and the rich no longer have the opportunity to share. It makes miserable, greedy people of us all. The sword does not change hearts, and the heart is what liberals know best, i.e. they feel more than think.

Knowing these things to be of great concern to both of us, I suggest taking a step back to assess life as a whole and what it is we put our trust in. Americans trust in the Creator of all things and have endured major fluctuations in both adversity and prosperity. Count it a blessing to live in a time when there is not only huge opportunity for good, but also a view into history that is not static, but unique to your experience. We do live in interesting times. Regardless of outcomes in the political realm, it will all come out in the wash.

31 posted on 10/03/2012 5:57:49 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: Windflier

That is why the Republican establishment killed Newt, Palin and Cain.

I have a feeling that they want zero to win. They are on the same One World Team. Elections are fixed-—all for show and to pretend like we have a choice.


32 posted on 10/03/2012 6:01:37 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Road Glide

If you have an aquaintence whom you know to be voting for Obama, try asking them to convince *you* to vote for Obama. Try to do it without having your mind made up in advance. Listen to their arguments, but be armed with facts in reply. Offer those facts cordially.

A conservative ought at least yield the point there is some place for government to provide food and shelter for those who literally have no means to contribute to the GDP. Some people are born with physical maladies or other weaknesses, and sometimes working people do not have all it takes to support them.

A conservative should never yield that killing unborn citizens is a matter of convenience or personal choice.

Between those matters there is much room for debate. But it does not help to assume all Obama voters are totally unreasonable, just as it does not help for them to assume the same of you.

In short, invite them to convince you, but don’t play games. Listen first.


33 posted on 10/03/2012 6:14:35 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: DanMiller
"Is there a way to win the hearts and minds of 0bama Voters?"

You have to ask?

FREE STUFF!

34 posted on 10/03/2012 6:23:00 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: savagesusie
They are on the same One World Team. Elections are fixed-—all for show and to pretend like we have a choice.

Can't disagree with you, Susie. I've said much the same thing many times here.

The good news is that they haven't bought off all the people. Most of us still believe in the promise of the Framers, and we are bound and determined to restore that promise to our nation.



35 posted on 10/03/2012 9:44:44 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: DanMiller

the only way is to take their stuff to redistribute to others that demand it, and watch them talk about how unfair it is. a few may finally have the light click on, but not many.

almost impossible to turn a taker into a maker when they believe they deserve it and the ones being legally robbed deserve to be legally robbed.


36 posted on 10/03/2012 10:01:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Windflier

Well, we have a better chance at succeeding if Romney gets in. He has some morality at least, unlike the Satanic leader. We will have to strong-arm him.....force him to appoint Tea Party people, like Allen West, etc.


37 posted on 10/03/2012 10:04:42 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: DanMiller; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

Free Romneysmartphones? (just a suggestion.)


38 posted on 10/03/2012 10:04:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: savagesusie
We will have to strong-arm him.....force him to appoint Tea Party people, like Allen West, etc.

I hope he will, but Romney's never built a bridge to the Tea Party, and no one is going to have the power to force him to appoint the best people, once he's the boss.

He's going to be president. We'll see how he performs.

39 posted on 10/03/2012 10:18:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

My hope is that Romney picks Newt for Secretary of State.


40 posted on 10/03/2012 10:20:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: DanMiller; Revolting cat!; a fool in paradise

“Minds?”


41 posted on 10/03/2012 10:28:04 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: dfwgator
My hope is that Romney picks Newt for Secretary of State.

That'd be an excellent call on his part. Our bench is deep with awesome talent. I hope he makes good use of it.

42 posted on 10/03/2012 10:29:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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