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The John Batchelor Show ^ | October 27,2012 | John Batchelor

Posted on 10/27/2012 2:55:17 PM PDT by Hojczyk

My fresh information is how to explain the surprising scale of the errors at Benghazi. It is useful to stipulate that the building where Ambassador Stevens was attacked was not a consulate.

It was a State Department residence that was maintained to provide an explanation for the presence of the CIA station that was about a mile distance --

The CIA station "annex" was responsible for recruiting and training Libyan assets in Benghazi, many of whom were directed to the so-called "Libyan Brigade" that is serving in Syria under the supervision of Turkish Military Intelligence. (This is part of the operation aimed at removing the Assad regime and replacing it with Jihadist/Islamists sympathetic and beholden to the Sunni lords at Cairo-Ankara-Riyadh-Doha.)

The attackers were fully informed of these facts, as they are part of the Cyrenaica networks of Jihadists/Islamists that have dominated the province for decades. (The attackers are commanded by the tribes/authorities of the province.) Why was the US dealing with treacherous gunmen?

This is the infamous big picture of Libya and the Obama administration. I am told that, following the fall of Tripoli in the fall of 2011,

POTUS believes this gesture demonstrates to the Arab Spring's newly-minted Jihadist/Islamist warlords (Tunis, Tripoli, Cairo, Sanaa) as well as to the old warlords (Riyadh, Doha, Ankara) that the US policy is not opposed to Jihadism and Islamism (despite the drone strikes and the assassination of Bin Laden.) In addition to this gesture of apologetics,

POTUS has directed the US and its allied security apparatus to train and equip the gunmen of Benghazi in order to send them to Syria in order to demonstrate how the US supports the Jihadist/Islamist cause not only in Libya, not only in Syria, but also throughout the ummah.

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1 posted on 10/27/2012 2:55:21 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

admin please post to breaking or front page news.


2 posted on 10/27/2012 2:58:06 PM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: Hojczyk

From article

The indication so far points to a decision by POTUS, VPOTUS and the Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, meeting in the Oval Office approximately 5 pm ET, to maintain the fiction of the video protest riot in order to avoid dealing with evidence of the wrong-headed US choice made a year earlier in Libya and continuing in Syria and so forth.

I am told that the reason the Jihadists in Libya posted on Facebook that the attack was launched by the umbrella group “Ansar al-Sharia” — this was reflected in the 6:08 PM ET email to the White House — was to counter the US story that the protest was a video riot. The killers wanted credit for their betrayal.


3 posted on 10/27/2012 2:58:34 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
Wikimedia's take on Cyrenaica: Cyrenaica; Ancient Greek: Κυρηναϊκή, after the city of Cyrene; Arabic: برقة‎ Barqah; Berber: Berqa) is the historical name of the eastern region in Libya, which self-declared autonomy. In a tribal meeting the National Federal Bloc party declared Cyrenaica as self-autonomous region, but no actual authority has been observed on the ground, as the National Transitional Council still the defacto authority in all of Libya.[4][5][6] Also known as Pentapolis in antiquity, it was part of the Creta et Cyrenaica province during the Roman period, later divided in Libia Pentapolis and Libia Sicca. During the Islamic period, the area came to be known as Barqa, after the city of Barca.
4 posted on 10/27/2012 3:03:05 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

Benghazi is the largest city in Cyrenaica.


5 posted on 10/27/2012 3:04:49 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Hojczyk

I read elsewhere the CIA was there to find out where 20,000 manpads had gone.

Manpads are these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_systems

That many in the hands of terrorists could ground every plane in the world ... all part of the fallout of backing the ‘Arab Spring’ (i.e. radical Islamist takeover).


6 posted on 10/27/2012 3:04:52 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Hojczyk

If Obama-the-Undocumented could,
he would give American nuclear weapons to al Qaeda
and the Moslem Brotherhood directly.

For now, only MANPADS, country after country,
the chemical weapons of Libya, UAV, and INTEL
have been tranferred.

Meanwhile the piggies in the US Congress enrich
themselves while America is slowly slain by Obama
and Clinton.


7 posted on 10/27/2012 3:05:24 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Hojczyk

How does ANYONE in our military or various security agencies put up with this sh!t? This is aiding and abetting the enemy. ‘Fast & Furious’ on steroids. Making deals with terrorists never ends well. It’s time for the ‘George Washingtons’ in these agencies to speak up and speak up LOUDLY.


8 posted on 10/27/2012 3:06:51 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: combat_boots
Wikipedia on Ansar "Anṣâr (Arabic: الأنصار‎, meaning aiders, or patrons) refer to a class of warriors who are renowned for their arsenal of weapons and for their speed and mobility on the battlefield. The quality of the Arabian horses quickly led to these soldiers dominating the battlefield, making ample use of their array of weaponry, which consisted of javelins, a sword, and bow and arrows. The one military unit that was present in nearly all of the Arabic expansion of the 7th to 9th centuries was the Anṣâr Warrior. These warriors participated as infantry, but most commonly rode on horseback and were famed to be the greatest horsemen/infantry of their time."
9 posted on 10/27/2012 3:07:59 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Hojczyk

Hussein didn’t just surrender in the war on terror. He defected.


10 posted on 10/27/2012 3:08:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Hojczyk
"Why was the US dealing with treacherous gunmen?  This is the infamous big picture of Libya and the Obama administration.  I am told that, following the fall of Tripoli in the fall of 2011, POTUS Obama ordered that the Jihadists were to be handed control of Libya. "

We're expected to believe it was a kind of scorpion and frog thing.. The American frog was helping the jihadist scorpion to cross the river and the jihadist scorpion could not resist killing the American frog. Is that it? Even if the killings destroyed a valuable resource for the jihadists?

11 posted on 10/27/2012 3:09:53 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Hojczyk

In. Your. Face., Mr. Precident. Game called.


12 posted on 10/27/2012 3:10:05 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: Hojczyk

Osain-bin Obama once more kissing the Butt of the Jijadists.


13 posted on 10/27/2012 3:11:00 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Hojczyk

Ya gotta check out this blog from July 2011. Must read..

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/07/obamas-response-to-attack-on-us-embassy.html


14 posted on 10/27/2012 3:12:35 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Hojczyk

This reinforces the belief that “our” drone strikes in Pakistan are practice for eventual drone strikes on U.S. citizens. Nothing like planning in advance!


15 posted on 10/27/2012 3:12:44 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Hojczyk
Batchelor is one of the best at informing on foreign affairs, and yet, Cumulus just replaced him with Michael Savage.

Fortunately, I can still pick up WABC 77 streaming on IheartRadio.

-PJ

16 posted on 10/27/2012 3:13:00 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: TigerClaws

LT. COL. Woods testified to a guestimate of 20,000 missiles missing in the region, when Issa asked him that question.


17 posted on 10/27/2012 3:14:31 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The four or so security guys weren’t in on the story and ignored instructions to stay away. They did some shooting and the jihadis thought they had been betrayed.


18 posted on 10/27/2012 3:14:58 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Hojczyk

Obama been laudin’ them jihadist folks.


19 posted on 10/27/2012 3:15:58 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

The only way to not put up with it is to quit.

Many are in the middle of a committment. They can’t just quit. Duh!

The military is NOT a democratic organization or culture.

The question, therefore is asked by the military, “why do the American people vote anti Americans into power who abuse us?”

In fact, Woods did not put up with beong told not to take the American side of the fight and look how it ended.


20 posted on 10/27/2012 3:16:14 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Diogenesis

Lol. Barack the undocumented

Barack stand down Obama, the hero of Benghazi


21 posted on 10/27/2012 3:18:38 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: BenLurkin

I pray for whistleblowers as this drip becomes a stream. Much is at risk for these trapped inside this monster. Bad time for them since they can not count on the media, given the news blackout, to cover them.


22 posted on 10/27/2012 3:20:12 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: jjotto

Bingo!
Ding...Ding...Ding


23 posted on 10/27/2012 3:20:43 PM PDT by Euker
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To: Hojczyk

Bump for later


24 posted on 10/27/2012 3:21:23 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: TigerClaws

Bump


25 posted on 10/27/2012 3:29:38 PM PDT by Tomato lover ( 'My soul, wait thou only upon God!')
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The shores of Benghazi have been ceded, haven’t they.

Tripoli must be next.


26 posted on 10/27/2012 3:30:30 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: BenLurkin

Iirc ob said in 2009 there was no war on terror just al qaeda


27 posted on 10/27/2012 3:33:32 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Hojczyk

The logical continuation of this pro-Sunni strategy would be to allow Egypt, the Saudis, and the Turks to pursue nuclear weapons. The US appeasers already know they can’t stop Iran from getting them, so in their naive worldview, a ‘MAD’ balance of terror (including India and Pakistan) would develop in the ‘enlightened’ multipolar post-American century.


28 posted on 10/27/2012 3:36:47 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: jjotto; Euker
RE: jjotto: "The four or so security guys weren’t in on the story and ignored instructions to stay away. They did some shooting and the jihadis thought they had been betrayed."

Thank you. I can see how that was a factor.. but as someone who was a news junky throughout the Cold War I can't help wondering..

who was the major beneficiary of destroying the secret weapons supply chain to Syrian rebels? (If that what it was.)

Who are experts with tons of experience with things like getting Americans killed or -- in the case of the USS Scorpion and the 99 crewmen -- killing the Americans directly?

Who are the experts at throwing Washington into turmoil? Even when Washington was run by adults.. not the radical, spoiled brats stuck on an imaginary campus somewhere.

Russia.

29 posted on 10/27/2012 3:38:00 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Islamism is the Trojan Horse of Communism.
30 posted on 10/27/2012 3:46:05 PM PDT by Euker
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To: Hojczyk
Read this article about Ansar Al Sharia, posted by Reuters on 9/18. Libyan brigade warns of "inferno" if U.S. intervenes

This whole thing just gets more and more bizarre.

31 posted on 10/27/2012 3:59:55 PM PDT by Eva
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
We know what a rat obumbler is.

He has show that in his dealings with Israel, his promises to us 4 years ago, etc.

I suspect that the US through the CIA, backed down on some promise they had made the Islamics and suffered the consequences.

There is also, of course, the good chance that the group that attacked the embassy were sent by either Russia or Syria as payback for sending weapons and men to fight in Syria.

But it is apparent that saying the ambassador was their to retrieve weapons given to the militias to fight Gaddafi is a cover-up lie.

His mission was probably to see that those weapons were gathered up and put in the same shipments as the new stuff we were sending to the rebels in Syria.

Regardless of which of the above is the most accurate, it is obvious that obumbler has again made a fool of himself.

But even so, the bigger issue is: What is obumbler’s ultimate plan for that area?

To me it seems obvious that his ultimate goal is to make the Muslim Brotherhood the dominate power throughout the area.....and the certainty of the Caliphate.

32 posted on 10/27/2012 4:04:22 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

I know the difference between there and their.

I type fast and some of it is totally automatic.

And my proof reading has always sucked.


33 posted on 10/27/2012 4:12:48 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Hojczyk; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; onyx; SunkenCiv; blam; Fred Nerks; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; ...
The flood continues.

***************************************

Info on Benghazi keeps coming out.....

Check the keyword for Benghazi....absolute torrents of articles and statements.

Saw an abbreviated Brett Baer Special Report on the Benghazi coverup ,...attack this morning.

Expect more to be shown tonight and Sunday ...believe at 10 pm EST.

Graphic by LadyJag!


34 posted on 10/27/2012 4:32:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Hojczyk; Jim Robinson

Breaking news???


35 posted on 10/27/2012 4:37:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Hojczyk

36 posted on 10/27/2012 4:42:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: tflabo

I went to your July 2011 story link and, oh my goodness! What I read in it was a kernal or sort of template for the “blame the video” cover story, here it said:

The US State Department on Monday formally condemned Syria for failing to protect the US embassy complex in Damascus from a violent assault it said was encouraged by a pro-government Syrian television station.

“A television station that is heavily influenced by Syrian authorities encouraged this violent demonstration,” a State Department spokesperson said in a statement.”

Tweak that and voila! TV and video and free speech are the causes of all violence therefore. We know where that goes.


37 posted on 10/27/2012 4:50:38 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: Euker
RE: Islamism is the Trojan Horse of Communism.

Yes that is true. There were loads of Soviet influence in the Middle East during the Cold War -- and Putin continues it today -- even though Russia has its own troubles with Islamists.

There was even communists in Iran and the USSR that helped Ayatollah Khomeini to oust the Shah. If I remember correctly.

38 posted on 10/27/2012 5:13:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: old curmudgeon
RE: "[T]he bigger issue is: What is obumbler’s ultimate plan for that area? To me it seems obvious that his ultimate goal is to make the Muslim Brotherhood the dominate power throughout the area.....and the certainty of the Caliphate.

Yes. I could well be..

how close is Fethullah Gülen to the White House? Dalia Mogahed was selected as an adviser for Obama's White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships; she supports Gülen.

Furthermore..

Exclusive: Obama Administration turns Blind Eye to Muslim Foreign Militia in Pennsylvania

Many in Turkey will agree that "[Gülen] has been responsible for the replacement of the secular government in Turkey with an Islamic regime."

As for typos.. I view them as my ID security; to wit, it there is not at least one I did not submit the reply.

39 posted on 10/27/2012 5:20:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The flood continues."
And it looks like it is not going to let up any time soon.
Silence on the part of the alphabets are going to prove to have been a bad bet. Fox is doing the right thing.
40 posted on 10/27/2012 5:43:04 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; onyx

OKay, thanks for this ping.


41 posted on 10/27/2012 7:13:53 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: BenLurkin
Hussein didn’t just surrender in the war on terror. He defected.

Oh, it is much worse than that. Since the 60"s we have been trying to bring the 3rd world higher standards of living and out of the dark ages....all those programs to help them and the programs to let them come here to be educated so they would take that knowledge, return and teach others. Propping up regimes that for us would seem like dictators but forced their islamic populace to allow some freedom through strongman force Until such a time they began to understand and cherish freedom.

This disgusting islamic creep that our MSM did not vet has sent Egypt and Libya back to the stone age of islamic control with Syria on its way to join them and Jordon is just starting to think about it also. 60 years of work and ideas thrown out the door because dems are blind to reality and truth.

We are going to have a huge islamic caliphate under the total islamic control with nothing stopping it and soon an islamic nuclear Iran supplying them....nice.

Obama is much worse than Carter. It will be almost impossible for those countries to recover.

This president has helped enemies that want to destroy this country because that is what islam is. This president has committed treason ....period.

42 posted on 10/27/2012 7:28:35 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Hojczyk

I think Syria just gave Obama a bloody nose in Benghazi. They sent the message, along with Russia and Iran, to stop supplying the Syrian rebels. If there was 150 attackers, why didn’t they overrun the annex and drag American bodies through the street? Because it was a raid and not an attack. They didn’t want to leave any bodies or prisoners to trace back to Syria. The question still remains, why no American military support for Benghazi? Maybe we would have been killing Russians. The still bigger unanswered question is, what do Obama and Hillary care about Libya and Egypt? They are just a couple of Democrat grifters out to enrich themselves and Democrat campaign chests. What was in this for them?


43 posted on 10/27/2012 7:33:12 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Hojczyk; All
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer: My sources tell me Obama was in the room watching Benghazi attack
44 posted on 10/27/2012 7:33:41 PM PDT by Larousse2 (The price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Yes that is true. There were loads of Soviet influence in the Middle East during the Cold War -- and Putin continues it today -- even though Russia has its own troubles with Islamists.

There was even communists in Iran and the USSR that helped Ayatollah Khomeini to oust the Shah. If I remember correctly.


Germany in WWI allowed Lenin to return to Russia as the revolution unfolded for the purpose of allowing the revolution to start. It was a strategy to get Russia to exit the war and it worked.

In WWII Germany stoked islam to fight Great Britain to divert British war resources to islamic countries which, of course, had some effect but not enough to be decisive in the outcome of the war.

Both the U.S. and Russia have been covertly using islamists to cause problems for each other for decades.
45 posted on 10/27/2012 8:32:55 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: old curmudgeon

Thar, thar, now. Don’t ya fret none.
Just move to Texas and ya won’t need to know the difference between there and their.

We got our own way of talkin’ an’ it don’t make no nevermind if’n ya can spell or not. We can always tell a Yankee ‘cause they’s always talkin’ like thar pants er on far.

Jes’ slo down, make friends, and don’t rile anyone and ya will get along fine, jes like a li’l doggie, heheh.

[;^D


46 posted on 10/28/2012 5:46:40 AM PDT by RebelTex
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To: old curmudgeon
"But even so, the bigger issue is: What is obumbler’s ultimate plan for that area?"

I don't know what his ultimate plan is, but I found this thread (and the article it links to) interesting:

Miramar fighter jets deployed in secret to Mideast

The entire Mideast is boiling over and ready to erupt like Mt. Vesuvius.

47 posted on 10/28/2012 4:03:08 PM PDT by RebelTex
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To: Political Junkie Too

Batchelor is one of the best out there fore sure.


48 posted on 10/28/2012 4:07:47 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Hojczyk

a place-marker


49 posted on 10/28/2012 7:23:58 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Hojczyk

a place-marker


50 posted on 10/28/2012 7:25:28 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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