Skip to comments.WAS OBAMA ONCE AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN? HERE’S WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE WENT THERE LOOKING
Posted on 11/06/2012 8:42:40 AM PST by Seizethecarp
To find out more about Obamas time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. Hes the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.
Janssen doesnt remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obamas mother didnt speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesnt think the details in Obamas registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasnt a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.
An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information at least from the president himself sealed for at least four more years.
Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
Beck's article writer, Johnson, intimates that if Obama is re-elected he will continue to have the power to suppress revelation of birth and citizenship facts via documents and witnesses.
Not much new, but notable that Beck's “The Blaze” is spending money to go around the world checking up on Obama’s birth and citizenship narratives.
He’ll still have the power, as nobody will be looking for answers quite deliberately.
Well it’s about time.
But he probably now sees how a “Plan B” may be needed due to the stupidity of the city voters and the desperate election thieves may give Ears a win.
We’ve always suspected he still has a Indonesian citizenship.
What happened to the “eligibility” thread at the top of the page? I used to click that quite regularly. Is it permanently gone? Is it by search only now?
There's also this:
We know Obama had foreign nationality when he stepped off the plane from Indonesia to Hawaii in 1971 because he was an accompanied minor. Contrary to Obot folklore, 10 year-olds weren’t allow to clear customs without a parent, grandparent or legal guardian. Note: an pilot or a stewardess will not accept the responsibility of clearing a child through customs due to the liability. And his grandmother couldn’t have cleared him because she was waiting for him outside of a secure area.
As an unaccompanied minor with foreign nationality, Obama was taken into protective custody by ICE. Eventually, Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was assigned as his legal guardian; thus, a Connecticut SSN. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was Obama’s legal custodian until his 18th birthday because Obama was a foreign national living in America as a Permanent Resident Alien.
On his 18th birtday, he was notified him he could recover his U.S. Citizenship with application to a CAO. He chose not to. In 1983, he naturalized as a U.S. Citizen. His Certificate of Naturalization is on file with USCIS.
” His Certificate of Naturalization is on file with USCIS.”
No evidence has been presented by you or anyone else that I have seen to support this claim or any of the other claims you insist on making in your post.
Perhaps you could start your own thread instead of spamming my thread and those of others who prefer forensic analysis to your unsubstantiated speculation?
Too little...too late.
Why would the Catholic Social Services of Connecticut be assigned as his guardian? Why not the Catholic Charities of Hawaii which does the same thing?
Thanks for the link. Whoever did what to FR, I tip my hat (figuratively). And I’m sure you didn’t get much sleep while you were doing it. It is so much faster for me. Kudos.
Did you hear about Larry Klayman's citizen grand jury? Do you think anything will come of it?
I'm still using only 20 per page. We NEED FR tonight!
I’m discussing Obama’s Indonesian citizen and rebutting the false claim Barry Soetoro’s St. Fransis Assisi Catholic school record is unreliable. My post is far from spam.
If you can’t stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.
Instead of disengenuously asserting false theories and demanding proof to the contrary, why don’t you listen or sit by and quietly read from someone who knows what they are talking about.
It is a fact Obama was issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality in 1968 and Certificate of Naturalization in 1983.
If a person included or to be included in the passport or documentation has, since acquiring US citizenship, been naturalized as a citizen of a foreign state; taken an oath or made an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state ... the portion which applies should be struck out.
REMOVED: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (SOEBARKAH).
“Too little...too late.”
You got that right! If Glenn Beck tho’t this was a story worthy of a globe-trotting investigation, why did he suppress it for the past four or five years?
Now, after he has utterly failed in his campaign to convince America to ignore eligibility because there is so much other stuff to talk about, he comes out with a squeak and a burp the day before the election.
What a putz. He makes me sick.
Yet, Barry remains "POTUS" and "CinC."
Where's the evidence to back up your claim of such "fact?"
Release it. Otherwise, what do you get out of repeating the same claim over and over for which you have no evidence? Seriously, what's the point?
Feel free to ignore me. I’ll reciprocate. Seriously, you’re embarassing yourself.
Wheres the proof Sven?
You’ve bought into theories published by sources interested in muddying the water and not enlightening the situation.
For example, the current administration proudly trumpets its policy guidance against the issuance of a Certificate of Loss of Nationality to minors. The fact is this policy is contrary to the policy of SoS Dean Rusk.
In the late 60’s, SoS Rusk issued Certificates of Loss of Nationality to minors. Some sued in U.S. Federal Court to recapture their U.S. Citizenship and most did not fight it. Of those that did not fight it, they were notified of their right to recapture their U.S. Citizenship until 6 months after their 18th birthday.
Obama had the opportunity to recover his U.S. Citizenship, but he chose not to. With the opportunity to recapture his U.S. Citizenship and natural born citizenship status past him, Obama chose to participate in the naturalization process when he was in his early 20’s. He naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983.
All of these facts can be verified by examining his naturalization file at USCIS. Obama can fill out a one-page form and pay a small fee to make this file public, but chooses not to. Your anger is misdirected at me. Obama is lying to you. I’m telling you the truth.
why do you guess he chose NOT to recapture his citizenship ?
If Lolo adopted him then his legal name is actually Barack Hussein Obama Soetero, unless it has been legally changed since then.
Hmm, so he never gave up Indo citizenship? Which actually was not valid since BHO is not his actual name?
Sven....did you ever find when and how he changed his name
I wondered, too. He had different plans then?
PoAre you basing your information on post #18, or do you have other documents that you can scan in (in ONE layer ;) ) and POST here?
Please post em if you’ve got em :)
......” Obama had the opportunity to recover his U.S. Citizenship, but he chose not to. With the opportunity to recapture his U.S. Citizenship and natural born citizenship status past him, Obama chose to participate in the naturalization process when he was in his early 20s. He naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983.
All of these facts can be verified by examining his naturalization file at USCIS. Obama can fill out a one-page form and pay a small fee to make this file public, but chooses not to. Your anger is misdirected at me. Obama is lying to you. Im telling you the truth.”
If i amwere not mistaken, This file cannot be obtained unless
A) the named person gives permission
B) there is a subpeona issued for it
Since a) is highly unlikely, then b) remains a possibility.
Unless somebody that works in the Records department at USCIS...
Post em if you’ve got em :)
Show the whole world you are correct.
It is a felony to solicit or conspire to illegally obtain documentation protected and secured in a U.S. Federal Government facility. Consequently, I’ll ignore your request and remind everyone Obama will be determined ineligible for the Office of POTUS once his Certificate of Naturalization is legally obtained.
There is no circumstance where a naturalized U.S. Citizen is eligible for the Office of POTUS or VP.
OK so if its a FELONY I take it you have NOTHING, and have NOT been in a position to see
Either one or both:
A) o’s certificate of loss of nationality
B) Certificate of naturalization
All that was needed at the beginning of your posts was to say “This is my THEORY”
Theory that catholic social services of Connecticut was involved so 0 had a ss# from there
Theory that the NUMIDENT file said he was an alien
Theory that dean rusk issued a Cert of Loss of Naturalization for 0
Then I would have had NO problem.
seizethecarp, vanilla swirl, 4Zoltan, Fred Nerks, rxsid, Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America, advertising guy, little jeremiah
Pinging y’all to this post by Sven:
” It is a felony to solicit or conspire to illegally obtain documentation protected and secured in a U.S. Federal Government facility. Consequently, Ill ignore your request and remind everyone Obama will be determined ineligible for the Office of POTUS once his Certificate of Naturalization is legally obtained.
There is no circumstance where a naturalized U.S. Citizen is eligible for the Office of POTUS or VP. “
Is this suggesting that CSS of Conn. was involved deliberately or unknowingly in using a SS number of a dead person? Or is the story of the other person without validity?
In addition, in posts #17 and #25 you claim that it was a FACT that 0 has a CLN and Cert of Naturalization.
Then in post #34 you say its a felony to illegally obtain records, and “once they are legally obtained”.
Again my questions:
Have you SEEN these documents?
Has somebody ELSE obtained them LEGALLY and then you saw them?
We would love to believe your theory but until there is verifiable proof it is nothing but a wet dream.
We live in such an Alice in Wonderland world.....
Obama obtained his SSN as a Permanent Resident Alien (Green card holder). It is valid.
The database some people use to determine whether a SSN is valid or not is inaccurate.
Obama’s vulnerability is in is NUMIDENT file. The NUMIDENT file is a collection of alphanumberic characters coded in the file by a trained document examiner with the SSA. One of the fields is referred to as the PRA (Permanent Resident Alien) field. Obama’s PRA field is a “Y” for YES.
My PRA field character in my NUMIDENT file is a “N” for NO because I was born in America and have never been issued a Certificate of Loss of Nationality by the U.S. SoS.
Now, before Highlander and Advertisingguy Freepmail and demand visual proof, let me just say you will have to trust me. Focus on legally obtaining Obama’s NUMIDENT file. It can obtained with a subpoena or by him waiving his privacy rights. Otherwise, you’ll have to ignore me for never satisfying your demands for visual proof while completely ignoring the fact it would not be admissible or legal for me to provide it to you.
while I appreciate your dogedness, you are gettin on my last nerve
Sven has posted he saw the doc and has said what law is postin it and do yourself a favor
read Sven’s hey howdy page
good God man
oh...and I never ax’d ya to post a damned thing....I too can dd. as I said more times than 1....you are good.
“oh...and I never axd ya to post a damned thing....”
Prove it! Otherwise, you’re merely posting opinion and conjecture.
We live in such an Alice in Wonderland world....."
That's correct. If he has documentation related to a naturalization, they will be revealed around the same time as his legitimate B.C. related records on file in HI (If they exist), along with the nation recognizing that his S.S. card and S.S.N. are bogus.
Nobody. Has. Standing.
Nobody. Has. The. Guts. To. Openly. Investigate. The. Fraud. (Save for Sherriff Joe & his Posey)
The documents, whatever they may be, will not see the light of day in a courtroom...let alone on the evening news.
Ask yourself, the media, any one of the "conservative" talking heads and your elected "representative" this one...single...question:
"HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"
Wouldn't that be something? If the media liked the guy enough, and hollywood sold him on the ignorant youth/masses, Bhumibol_Adulyadej could litterally be our President and Commander in Chief AND the King of Thailand. Too many people in this country believe this situation would be Constitutional simply because the King was born here.
post 42 and ya forgot your sarcasm tag
“Nobody. Has. The. Guts. To. Openly. Investigate. The. Fraud. (Save for Sherriff Joe & his Posey)”
A person living and in America without a valid BC is an immigrant. The next step is to examine Obama’s naturalization file and not go back to Hawaii to ask for an explanation for the fraudulent BC.
Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio could go to Maricopa County resident Janet Napolitano’s home with a search warrant. Janet Napolitano is the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and custodian of immigration records.
Furthermore, Sheriff Arpaio could ask the FBI to assist with a search warrant in Washington, D.C. for Obama’s immigration records. Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization is additional proof of a fraudulent BC.
A person living and in America without a valid BC is an immigrant.
That's true, but in order to determine someone is without a valid BC, there needs to be some sort of discovery save for perhaps an admission by the person. You know full well, that neither will happen in the case of Barry Soetoro. The courts are terrified (as are Congress) what discovery would uncover for the first (half) black President. Because of this country's history of slavery...*no* discovery will be allowed.
The next step is to examine Obamas naturalization file and not go back to Hawaii to ask for an explanation for the fraudulent BC."
His naturalization file, if it exists, will never see the light of day for the above mentioned reasons.
Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio could go to Maricopa County resident Janet Napolitanos home with a search warrant. Janet Napolitano is the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and custodian of immigration records."
You know as well, that this has a 0% chance of happening. The feds would cook something up to throw Sheriff Arpaio in a fed pen and his case wouldn't be adjudicated for years. There's no way the Sheriff would (or even should have to) do that.
"Furthermore, Sheriff Arpaio could ask the FBI to assist with a search warrant in Washington, D.C. for Obamas immigration records. Obamas Certificate of Naturalization is additional proof of a fraudulent BC."
If the military brass didn't care about LTC Lakins questions about lawful orders...the FBI wouldn't give a rat's a@@ about such a request from a Sheriff in Arizona. They would simply say there is no justification for such a "fishing expedition" if they even took the call/letter from him.
IMO, the key to this thing is the media. It's simply the world we live in today.
The only way possible that this eligibility question gets any legs is if the media does what's it's supposed to do and starts questioning these numerous things. This, of course, will not happen. The issue has been successfully stigmatized and the "conservative" media has jumped on that bandwagon.
The courts will continue to point to Congress, and Congress will continue to point to the courts.
Without persistant questions from the media, the Congress will continue to cower (for reasons above. i.e. Black President, slavery, perceived racism).
Nobody has standing, Nobody has the responsibility to determine a Presidents eligibility, Nobody has a case that is ripe, Nobody has a case in a court of jurisdiction.
As much as the country desparately needs it and as much as we might want it to happen, documentation discovery; Will. Not. Happen.
advertising guy, (Sven, FYI)
I do remember Sven saying he saw them.
I also remember Sven saying something about SENDING docs, either to Orly or Sheriff Arpaio.
His howdy page only says how the document holder can get a copy of his OWN info.
Not how you or I could get it.
Could you tell us WHERE and WHEN you saw the USCIS docs?
And whether you sent any 0 USCIS docs to Orly or sheriff Arpaio?
Sven's homepage only applies to the person themselves, who are looking for a certified true copy of their own Certificate of Naturalization.
It doesn't mention anything about an interested "3rd party" who might want to get a hold of someone elses Certificate of Naturalization. I doubt such a thing would even be possible without a court order.
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