Posted on 11/08/2012 12:19:42 AM PST by Mr170IQ
The clues:
Looking at the results from the election, it seems very suspicious that there was so little Republican turnout, even though anecdotal evidence shows that both enthusiasm and turnout was much higher this time.
The Theory:
I believe that the democrats managed to electronically drop a percentage (maybe 20%) of the votes in the republican majority precincts of the swing states. In order not to be too obvious, they dropped democrat votes as well as republican votes. This enabled them to get those absurd D+8 and D+13 numbers that the pre-election polls were using.
Proving it:
In order to prove this we would have to pick several republican precincts in swing states that showed oddly poor turnout.
Then we need to obtain the official list of everyone who voted in those precincts in this election, as well as the complete list of registered voters in that precinct. Then we would have to contact every registered voter and ask them, if they voted in the election, and if so, when and where (but not for whom).
If there is a highly-significant number of registered voters who claim to have voted, but are recorded as NOT voting, then we need to get legal affidavits from all of them, affirming that they voted, as well as where and when.
If possible, also find witnesses who observed them voting and get affidavits from them as well.
Fixing it:
From the states where we have proven that votes were being thrown out, we would need to get a judge to block the state from officially certifying the electors, or we need enough congressmen on our side to block accepting the electoral votes from those states.
Without 270 electors voting for Obama/Biden, the election for President is thrown to the House of Representatives , and the election for Vice-President is thrown to the Senate. We end up with Romney/Biden - which is a hell of a lot better than Obama/Biden for another four years.
Your plan sounds like a long, drawn out, expensive process.
We just have to accept the results and move on. However, I still feel this election was stolen.
Of course it was stolen. Very, very meticulously.
We MUST be sure this never happens again. I don’t have a clue HOW, but still..
“I don’t have a clue HOW, but still..”
It’s called ‘Run a conservative’.
We, the Conservatives, tried that...the RNC sure did us NO favors, did they?
All they needed to do was DROP the Romney vote count far enough below 0bama's, which they did and I agree. There is NO WAY the Republican turnout was LOWER than for McCain in 2008. I will NEVER believe that, EVER. It's easy to foment that lie when the final tally for Romney is a lie, right?
Thanks for posting this. I read another post here at FR which stated that 1 out of 5 Ohio votes was cast by an unregistered voter. That would be an 0bama vote, most likely. Perhaps in some states they dropped the Romney vote below that of 0bama's and in others raised the 0bama vote above that of Romney's. The former would be easier.
I've been wondering where Eric Holder's been recently. Perhaps busy in the DOJ basement, manning the liaison center for vote manipulation plotting with his plain-clothed ACORN, Black Panther, labor union and 'mysterious United Nations poll monitors' throughout the nation that night?
(National) 11/7/2012 - AMERICA'S CLAIRVOYANT ELECTION SYSTEM - Perhaps one of the oddest moments of all during last night's live election coverage was what happened to Karl Rove on Fox Network News.
With Florida still too close to call and hundreds of thousands of votes still out in Ohio (including a large hunk of votes in Romney strongholds), and with a spread of about 100,000 votes separating the candidates in Ohio, Fox called Ohio for Obama. Karl Rove arranged to come on the Fox network to voice his rebuttal.
Now, whatever you think of Rove, I think most of us agree that he's a numbers guy. His numbers didn't support the calling of the state of Ohio at that point in time. When he explained his reasoning, the Fox anchor quickly shut him down. "It's a science" he was told.
Based not on actual votes, but on projections from a single private entity, the National Election Pool (NEP), we were all told what the election results were going to be. When Rove pulled out his notes and calculations, he was basically told "Shut up, this is a science."
But is that what your vote really is? A science project, to be viewed only by experts inside a nesting set of black boxes, completely out of public view?
If we are to have real self-governance, we need to be able to authenticate each essential step in our own elections -- without need for special expertise to explain to us what the result is. What more centralized, privatized form of declaring a result is there than to commission the NEP to provide a single set of statistics to ALL of the TV networks for a declaration of results without human eyes ever looking at a single ballot.
The media called the election in Tennessee just 11 minutes after the polls closed and by the way, exit polls had already been cancelled in Tennessee because, it was explained, everyone already knew who the winner was going to be so why bother with the expense. Even the voting machines, opaque and controlled by whatever their programmers put into them, had not yet issued results printouts. Is this the new, NEW method for pretending at democracy?
Washington State, where I live, is a forced absentee state, where 100% of the votes are now absentee ballots, which must be postmarked on Election Day. I placed my ballot in the post office at 2 pm. There are no exit polls, because there are no polling places. Apparently a few phone calls now substitute for actual exit polling (to people with land lines? That's an increasingly elderly demographic). Perhaps 40% of all ballots in Washington have not even been counted yet, but we've been told the results.
In California, typically 25% of the votes are counted after Election Day, yet results have been announced. That's a million uncounted ballots in Los Angeles alone. We have no clue what is on those ballots but we've been told not to worry about it. The stats guys have issued their verdict.
Forget voting machines, programmed by insiders to do whatever they do. Let's just skip counting the votes altogether and use statistics.
I’ll never vote again until a “extreme” FAR FAR right canidate shows up.. If i hear the words “ Reach across the isle” one more time, im gonna put my hair out
If the rat fraud apparatus is now so well organized that they can arbitrarily decide how many votes to report from any given precinct, it doesn’t matter who the Republicans run. He or she would still lose.
Was 0bama's victory a sweep of ALL battleground states? WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT HAPPENING? That would mean he should win nearly ALL of the states, right?
Any statisticians here? I say that's impossible and don't say it's because he made appearances there. So did Mitt.
*impossible to do without RIGGING, that is.
What really surprised ME was Mitt, being a successful businessman, already savvy in politics...why he conceded so early. Why he didn’t have a team of attorneys standing by.
I’m a Christian so I KNOW this is ALL in God’s Hands...the whole thing. The human BG says...this is NOT adding up.
At. All.
Having lived in California for so many years, I hear ya. It was “useless” to vote. OTHER THAN...it was the right thing to do, AND there were local things to vote on.
I NEVER understood why that was allowed to happen, either. Call the elections before the west coast was even done voting. (Or thereabouts...)
Nevermind.. Maybe the female ‘AROUSAL FACTOR’ with 0bama is greater than I already learned since 2008. LOL!
So, in order for the votes to be missing, they would have to disappear throughout the day -- they could not disappear at the end of the process once the votes were tallied. If they disappeared throughout the day, how was that done right under the nose of the poll watchers, clerks, and judges of elections? It's much easier to add votes than it is to make them disappear, nobody "unstuffs" a ballot box.
I find it curious myself that I hear so many stories of huge turnout, but then discover this is a low turnout election. That was not true in my precinct in 2012, where my son was the last to vote at #1538. I third or fourth from the last to vote in 2008, and I was #1414. So our turnout was about 7% higher.
I agree, it seems weird, but I still don't see how it happens under your theory.
Oh thanks for nuthin’.
I’m now going to go get sick to my stomach...and go to bed.
:)
Read your Bibles kids, get your hearts right with God...and sleep well, OK?
They announced for reelection of Obama based on their “math” and statistics. Everything that happened after that was just a formality. I take it they cheated this election... all the way.
Exactly. Additional verdict: prop 30 passed, prop 32 didn’t!
Can’t we do the treason thing instead?
Then quit and become a democrat.
No, they didn’t and they made sure to take conservatives down too before they left.
Now they are trying to blame the same conservatives they backstabbed.
The first thing to do is to get rid of those damned voting machines as they were flipping a lot of Romney votes for Obama this time round. Next make it mandatory that voters show some form of identification. Next make sure that those who count the votes are not political party operatives as has been the case in some instances this time round.
I wondered that too.. Graciousness is met with punishment when the opposition is EVIL. God is shaping the endgame and I don’t think it ends well. Shifting eyes to Israel now because I think Netanyahu will be sending Achmed some ‘flowers’, hopefully daisy cutters. Israel surely won’t be able to count on the ‘betrayer of SEALs for the sake of Islam’ to help them out.
He didn’t sweep them. Mitt won North Carolina.
Let’s not forget the military plane that crashed a week or two ago and lost all those ballots.
With more than 50 Rat senators, there is 0% chance that the senate would vote for removal of a Rat president, even if he was videotaped launching a nuclear missile at the national Girl Scout Jamboree.
We’ll never know how it was stolen. And now that the Dems HAVE successfully stolen an election, they dare not allow themselves to lose again: they’d be found out and prosecuted.
We’ve seen how the Obama administration handles fraud. . . it ignores it.
We’re stuck riding this one down to the inevitable crash. . . and its’ aftermath. And then re-build after. Just remember: to the Dems and their Eater subjects. . . Nothing. No pity, no mercy, and ESPECIALLY no charity. They made the bed for all of us. . . they have to sleep in it now. . .
They bought the Mitt hates Women lie hook, line and sinker.
The Bizarro World really exists, trust me.
He could be impeached, but a Rat senate would NEVER have 67 votes to remove a Rat president. No point in trying.
Better to block the results of this election through the House of Reps, since the constitution gives the power to them.
“We’ll never know how it was stolen.”
Easy. Mitt didn’t deliver the goods. Simple as that - no conspiracy.
“They bought the Mitt hates Women lie hook, line and sinker.”
They know how to manipulate emotions. They have it down to a science. There was a thread that was pulled that explained the kind of data crunching they used to pick the best ads on the best channels at the right time for the group they want to target.
My point above is that IF the Rats stole it the way I think they did, it IS possible to prove it by using a LOT of legwork to show that there is a massive pattern of missing votes from Republican precincts in swing states.
Note, these missing votes would also have affected the Senate races in these swing states.
All those suspicious I.T. problems on election day....no coincidence. Those are hackable...as they say, vote all you like but who counts them is the winner.
Add votes, that could happen with those reported machines that when screen punched for Romney, they went to Obama. Some reported retrying as much as 3 times until it stayed on Romney.
Internally we don't know what those machines recorded. 3 Votes for Obama, 1 for Romney.
I think something was in play with those machines for sure, because remember when it was reported that Tagg Romney has some vested interest in the voting machines?
That was, IMO, put forth by the Democrats to place blame on the Romneys, in case it were ever discovered that they had actually commited FRAUD themselves.
Democrats are just more devious than we can ever imagine, they know how to play the games with lies and deception better than anyone. Get caught, blame others.
Elections have became a joke people no one cares what the voter thinks.
As someone said, if voting really mattered they wouldn’t let us do it.
And you’re welcome to keep your head in the sand.
Unless the system is repaired, the results won’t change.
Where we vote we had to wait an hour in line. There was a line ALL DAY. We have lived here 20 years and vote EVERY TIME (primaries and all). I have NEVER, REPEAT NEVER had to wait in line. Yet we had LESS votes than in 2008. Curious, to say the least. No, the fix was in. Perhaps this explains Zero’s behavior, ESP. The first debate. He really did believe all he had to do was show up.
And guess what. . . Allen, who was 2-3 points ahead in Virginia, lost to Kaine by 5%. Romney, who was ahead of Obama by ~5%, lost by 3%.
8 points on both. Coincidence ??
Too early and to tired to research it, but to the best of my understanding, one can go to their Voter Registration Account online to verify that their vote was accepted and counted.
If there was a “sample” group of say 1000 in these swing states that have that feature, it seems to me that it would be easy to see if that type of toss out fraud was committed. If say 5-10% showed up as not voted, or voted for a different candidate than they actually marked, then I think it would be worth the time and money to investigate further. If the sample showed potential fraud, the State would have a duty to hold off on giving the EV to a specific candidate until a broader investigation could be undertaken. WA is one of the states that I think you can check your (after) voting status, (not that WA is a swing state, although it would surprise me if Eastern WA was as BLUE as the “powers that be” claim). Might be worth looking into I would think.
1. There was an aborted meme a month back about one of Mitt’s sons owning a voting machine company. Maybe he can provide insight into this.
2. Maybe some intrepid “entrepreneur” can break into a warehouse and take a look at a random machine...just saying...
3. Another Freeper posted there are 160,000 precincts, and if 20 Republican votes are taken from each one, that explains why Mitt got less votes than McCain.
4. How about one of the eeeeeeeeevil Republican millionaires offer $1 million dollars to the first person to provide, beyond a reasonable doubt, solid proof of voter fraud. Especially with regard to voting machines.
5. In EACH race, PAY three “Rethuglicans”, a lawyer, and a fifth person (set up like James O’Keefe) to attend every precinct to monitor the situation.
6. I’d like Smokey The Orange Boner to call the Dems’ bluff at the fiscal cliff meetings. Demand paper ballots and ID as part of the budget deal and tell them they can have whatever they want. They will never go for it, thereby raising a lot of questions. (I’m being half serious here)
Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law
http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416
I still say we have the best representation that Saudi oil money can buy!
Dont forget that a company in Spain was hired to count a “portion” of the electronic votes...then send the results back to the US. As I was watching the post election coverage, I noticed that Spain was very happy that Obama won....just sayin
we ALL need to converve and make a working plan to take our country back.
“While I agree with your feelings, I just want to mention that your short time membership here is a minus to what you are saying... tread a bit lighter as to not piss of the wrong people here”
Sir, I appreciate the warning. I’m just delivering the (as I see it), much needed kick in the groin. We can’t afford another disaster like this past primary season again. We have to ensure that a conservative wins the nomination.
Note,
If we get adequate evidence of widespread voter fraud, we don’t even need to have action at the ‘Secretary of State’ levels to reject the fraudulent election and move the election into the House of Reps.
The Twelfth Amendment mandates that the Congress assemble in joint session to count the electoral votes and declare the winners of the election.[45] The session is ordinarily required to take place on January 6 in the calendar year immediately following the meetings of the presidential electors.[46] Since the Twentieth Amendment, the newly elected House declares the winner of the election; all elections before 1936 were determined by the outgoing House instead.
The meeting is held at 1:00 p.m. in the Chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives.[46] The sitting Vice President is expected to preside, but in several cases the President pro tempore of the Senate has chaired the proceedings instead. The Vice President and the Speaker of the House sit at the podium, with the Vice President in the seat of the Speaker of the House. Senate pages bring in the two mahogany boxes containing each state’s certified vote and place them on tables in front of the Senators and Representatives. Each house appoints two tellers to count the vote (normally one member of each political party). Relevant portions of the Certificate of Vote are read for each state, in alphabetical order.
Members of Congress can object to any state’s vote count, provided that the objection is presented in writing and is signed by at least one member of each house of Congress. An objection supported by at least one Senator and one Representative will be followed by the suspension of the joint session and by separate debates and votes in each House of Congress; after both Houses deliberate on the objection, the joint session is resumed. A State’s certificate of vote can be rejected only if both Houses of Congress vote to accept the objection. In that case, the votes from the State in question are simply ignored. The votes of Arkansas and Louisiana were rejected in the presidential election of 1872.[47]
Objections to the electoral vote count are rarely raised, although it did occur during the vote count in 2001 after the close 2000 presidential election between Governor George W. Bush of Texas and the Vice President of the United States, Al Gore. Vice President Gore, who as Vice President was required to preside over his own Electoral College defeat (by five electoral votes), denied the objections, all of which were raised only by several House members and would have favored his candidacy, after no Senators would agree to jointly object. Objections were again raised in the vote count of the 2004 elections, and on that occasion the document was presented by one Representative and one Senator. Although the joint session was suspended, the objections were quickly disposed of and rejected by both Houses of Congress. If there are no objections or all objections are overruled, the presiding officer simply includes a State’s votes, as declared in the certificate of vote, in the official tally.
After the certificates from all States are read and the respective votes are counted, the presiding officer simply announces the final result of the vote and, provided that the required absolute majority of votes was achieved, declares the names of the persons elected President and Vice President. This announcement concludes the joint session and formalizes the recognition of the President-elect and of the Vice President-elect. The Senators then depart from the House Chamber. The final tally is printed in the Senate and House journals.
Contingent presidential election by House
Pursuant to the Twelfth Amendment, the House of Representatives is required to go into session immediately to vote for President if no candidate for President receives a majority of the electoral votes (since 1964, 270 of the 538 electoral votes).
In this event, the House of Representatives is limited to choosing from among the three candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each state delegation votes en bloc – each delegation having a single vote; the District of Columbia does not receive a vote. A candidate must receive an absolute majority of state delegation votes (i.e., at present, a minimum of 26 votes) in order for that candidate to become the President-elect. Additionally, delegations from at least two-thirds of all the states must be present for voting to take place. The House continues balloting until it elects a President.
The House of Representatives has chosen the President only twice: once under Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 (in 1801) and once under the Twelfth Amendment (in 1825).
I was hoping someone else would speak up... they haven’t..
You need to lay down your definition of extreme, and FAR FAR right..
To the Democraps, ‘extreme’ is anyone slightly LEFT of center... FAR FAR right is Libertarian.. (either and or, by their definition) is actually rotating to extreme LEFT.
I think (hope) what you meant was a true conservative that has moral values. (And, a LIBertarian is not an option.. There are no moral values in LIBertarialism.. only pot(heads)).
Look how red the county map is. PA was solid red except for Black Panther City.
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