Posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:16 PM PST by Steelfish
In our welfare office (where I go periodically as I am a legal guardian and have to file forms), there are many, many Russians and Somalians. Not many Italians and Greeks but then I don’t know of any recent immigrants from those countries around here.
I WAS a republican, if there were a true conservative party on the ballet in OH, I would jump. However, in OH you must be either Dem or Rep.
There is a great amount of honest work needing doing that doesn’t require university degrees. All honest work is commendable and to be honored. (And a lot of university-educated people show very little inclination to work, really, and many have less real work skills than those uneducated immigrants). I think the issue is largely that the immigrants tend to be hired because they work better than some of our own kids (or certainly the lazy bum kids who live next door - who complain about the crappy job market BHusseinO has created for them- but who really won’t work much anyway. This latter reason is why many of them stay unemployed while business hires immigrants who do want to work. Sounds harsh if u or ur kid is looking for a job, but then its all our lazy neighbors who poison the job well for you and me because the employers need reliable, productive workers and not the indolent, insolent pot-soaked son of a hippy next door) . Or something like that anyway. We need to get our own house in order and not just blame everything on immigrants (and yes, we need to limit their numbers during our recession ayt least, too, and screen out the muslim terrorists amongst them)
It might sound kooky, but we should all vote for The Green Party. If the Green Party takes off it might siphon enough of the ultra-left to make a dent in the Democrat Party.
Starting a conservative third party first will only grease the skids. Supporting a liberal third party will help to lessen the Democrat stranglehold, and allow us to think about a truly conservative fourth party to hold the Republicans' feet to the fire.
The elitist wing of the Democrat party is the white liberal. He votes Democrat out of pure snobbery. However, John Derbyshire wrote that this segment might be the one to come our way in the long term. Once the Mark Steyn apocalypse keeps rolling to its inevitable conclusion, the white liberal will change their tune for the simple reason of survival. They have the luxury today of being Moonbats because the demographic numbers are not catastrophic, yet. Once the tipping point hits, they will find out that La Raza and the New Black Panther Party will have no loyalty to the Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosis of the world. Like the dynamic in prison, they will be looking for numbers. As Derbyshire quoted Lee Quan Yew of Singapore as saying all politics is tribal, the rest becomes BS. As much as we feel we are different, when push comes to shove we are no different than the Sunnis of Anbar Province or the Serbs of Bosnia.
There could be some truth to that as well....but there are dark days ahead, Enoch Powell’s “Rivers of Blood” speech rings more and more true.
Welfare did not begin five years ago. It’s been around awhile.
America is heading for the bone yard. In fact, it just arrived. It GOP is irrelevant.
I think Buchanan makes a lot of good points. At the same time, I have to ask the question: Why does no one say Democrats have ‘died’ when they lose elections? Where were the cries for Democrats to have a more relevant message after Bush was elected twice? And after the Tea Party victories of 2010? Conservatives - and some Republicans - still have a relevant message. Listen to Rush at CPAC again. The whole time I kept scratching me head thinking, ‘Here’s the man most hated by the Left, and I can’t understand why any Black or Hispanic wouldn’t agree with the fundamentals of what he’s saying.’ The problem is that we need to streamline our message. Too much has been added in that wasn’t meant to go there in the first place.
Ah. I stand corrected.
The message from a number of analysts including Peggy Noonan from the Wall St. J. is the Republican Party must not drill deep into the base but must try to move sideways and embrace more. I think not. Let Obama reduce the nation to ashes and we’ll have new Sphinx of a Party. Sometimes shocks help people come to their senses.
The only hope the GOP has is the Dem coalition will fall apart once the GOP is marginalized. Blacks and hispanics today are fighting with each other on a daily basis in the schools systems. Arab Dems are growing and sooner or later clash with the Jewish Dems. Young people eventually will leave college and try to get a job and find only 50 percent are employed. The Conservatives need to seize and hold the GOP and be ready to take advantage of the Dem coalition crack up.
Right now as we post, large companies are laying off people or demoting them to part time status. Shortly after the election Obama’s approval dropped below 50 percent. I do not see the economy improving because Japan and EU are entering recession. All eyes are on EU over financial crisis, but no one is paying attention to Japan. Japan entered her recession with a trade surplus, budget surplus and people with high savings rate and little personal debt. Japan gov did not want deflation so they held off the fall by printing Yen and borrowing. Her annual deficit already exceed her GDP. After nearly two decades, Japan has no gov surplus, personal savings is already eaten up, and now Japan is suffering trade deficit. Yet the Japanese gov is still printing more Yen and borrowing. If she implodes, Japan is the largest holder of US Treasury notes. China used to be the largest holder but she is second largest holder slowly shedding her holdings and increasing her gold reserves.
The US enter the 2008 recession in gov debt (which grew under Obama), high personal debt, and little personal savings. Our annual debt already exceed our GDP and the only thing saving the US is the dollar is the world reserve currency and there is no alternative to it. Fed Reserve made a decision to inflate our way out of debt hoping to control inflation at 5 percent annually by currency devaluation. No matter who is POTUS that Fed Reserve inflation strategy will be in the financial background of the US. If Japan implodes and unable to buy more US Treasury bills, or worst dumps it to raise funds, hyperinflation can happen overnight in US. Rule of thumb is if the EU or Japan has a meltdown, it takes about 72 hours to hit our financial system and banking system. Bank holidays, frozen accounts, frozen ATM and frozen credit cards will be starters. If truck drivers cannot use their credit cards to pay for fuel, how long do you think our food and medicine will get to their destination. Look at Staten Island and Long Island NY to see what happens if people cannot gas their cars to get food or medicine.
IMHO the global currency printing to avoid necessary inflation cannot be sustained. Many experts estimate 2015 at best for EU, US or Japan. This time table excludes war in Middle East or other catastrophic events. If you are smart prep.
Thanks for this thread.
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” - - - the Republican Party has at last awakened to its existential crisis.”
WRONG AGAIN, Pat Buchanan, wrong again.
Your analysis Pat, is based on the flawed assumptions of the sorry GOP-Elite.
Sit straight Pat, and shut your mouth so that your ears can stay open!
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The sorry, VERY sorry, Republican Party is their own worst enemy.
Ponder with me Pat:
1.) Whatever possessed the Elite of the Republican Party to endorse the Father of Romney”care” to be their standard bearer against the Father of Obama”care” which was modeled after Romney”care?” Thus, no surprise for late and weak support for Romney.
2.) Whatever possessed the GOP-E to exclude the Father of the TEA Party from any activities at the RNC Convention in Tampa? Thus, no surprise for late and weak support for Romney.
3.) Whatever possessed the GOP-E to allow Romney to stop campaigning after the Primary until AFTER some people had started early voting? Thus, no surprise on weak and late support for Romney.
These are just 3 of the large number of PLANNED methods that would insure late and weak support for Romney.
Thus, the GOP and Romney had together succeeded in achieving late and weak voter support for Romney, and the Candidates for GOP US Senators and House Representatives. They were all lucky to get as many votes as they did.
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What IS surprising to the GOP-E, we saw as no surprise at all.
Also, we are NOT surprised that the GOP-E did not listen to us.
All we have to do is to read and watch as the elected GOP Congress caves in to the Democrats.
Own it GOP, you no longer represent us, your former BASE!
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IMHO, Romney did not really want to be President. He saw it as something that he was well-qualified for, and probably should do.
The GOP-E gave the distinct impression that they were only interested in going through the motions of looking good on TV in their shiny-bottomed, empty suits.
The Grand RINO Party DESIGNED this Presidential Election to fail, but also to look good on TV at the same time. MY, my, weren’t all those colored baloons great at the RNC Convention?!
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What looks good to the GOP, looks bad for The United States of America.
Will the GOP continue to be the Political Joke of the Century? (Looks good.)
Or will the GOP awake to its crisis of very low brainpower? (Looks bad.)
Will the GOP lose to a third Party in 2014? (looks good.)
Will the GOP lose to a third Party in 2016? (Looks VERY good!)
The clock is ticking Pat.
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock
Because U.S. labor union bosses, like those that are international, are communists.
That’s a lot of slanderous nonsense. Older folks have been saying the same thing about young people since the time of Socrates. Unscrupulous employers like immigrants not because of work ethics or integrity, but because they’ll work for peanuts (in the case of illegals, below minimum wage!), and they can’t bitch about it, lest they get a nock on their door from ICE
Pat has it right, although you could debate about whether free trade really has anything to do with it. The bottom line is that the GOP, by allowing tens of millions of low-skilled immigrants “of color” into the country, legally and illegally, signed its own death warrant. They will become straight ticket Democrat voters for the most part, and our appeals to them in English about the greatness of freedom and liberty will literally fall on deaf ears as they for the most part don’t understand English. The coup de grace will be delivered over the next four years, as Obama legalizes the existing contingent of illegal aliens, and that will be the end of it. Those Senators and Congressmen who stand in the way of the Democrats and full control of Congress are dead men walking. If they are lucky enough to survive 2014, they will not survive 2016. Whether they roll-over like good little puppies, or go to the mat, it makes no difference. They’re goners.
This is all so true. Our Republic was founded on the principles of western civilization and a Judeo-Christian heritage. When 1 in 5 no longer believe in God, when God is booed at the DNC, when gay marriage is now fast becoming the accepted norm and is part of the required high school curriculum, the writing is on the wall. And for those who cannot read, we now have a picture. Obama. How do you educate the un-educatable? the indoctrinated? the brainwashed? the dependents on government largesse? Already, Sen Lindsay Graham and Sen. Chuck Schumer have agreed to craft a broad comprehensive (amnesty) plan. Now begins the capitulation. Reagan’s first amnesty bore fruit this past Tuesday. Now we await the second.
While I understand there ARE some exploitative employers (and they should be stopped), what I said is nonetheless still accurate for all too many people (not just youngsters, either) nowadays.
Put as succinctly as possible, many employers will tend to hire immigrants (at regular wages) just because they tend to have better work ethics than so many of our native stock.
Period. If you are unaware of this, go chat with the employers, including also small business people ... who provide over 70 percent of the jobs anyway .. in your community, and see.
You raise a legitimate problem. So do I. (And, I fear the problem you raise can be solved a lot easier than the one I brought up....alas....but its still there....and is at least one significant cause of such high unemployment among native-born citizens these days.
Best,
fhc
The hour has passed for Republican, Democrat, Libertarian and Independent parties who court any depravity or ethnicity for votes and power. It’s time for the LOT (Leaving On Time) Party. Should Lot have softened his stance on Sodomites and their supporters or his abhorrance of the practices of that godless society just so he and his family could “fit in?”
2 Corinthians 6:17 It’s time to decide. The majority of Americans already have.
“Starting a conservative third party first will only grease the skids. Supporting a liberal third party will help to lessen the Democrat stranglehold, and allow us to think about a truly conservative fourth party to hold the Republicans’ feet to the fire.”
We need a proprortional Electoral College if third-parties are to have a chance. The winner-take-all EC is a third-party killing dinosaur, a relic of a bygone age.
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