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BUCHANAN: IS THE GOP HEADED FOR THE BONEYARD?
Human Events ^ | November 09, 2012 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:16 PM PST by Steelfish

BUCHANAN: IS THE GOP HEADED FOR THE BONEYARD?

Patrick J. Buchanan 11/9/2012

After its second defeat at the hands of Barack Obama, under whom unemployment has never been lower than the day George W. Bush left office, the Republican Party has at last awakened to its existential crisis.

Eighteen states have voted Democratic in six straight elections. Among the six are four of our most populous: New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois and California. And Obama has now won two of the three remaining mega-states, Ohio and Florida, twice.

Only Texas remains secure — for now.

At the presidential level, the Republican Party is at death’s door.

Yet one already sees the same physicians writing prescriptions for the same drugs that have been killing the GOP since W’s dad got the smallest share of the vote by a Republican candidate since William Howard Taft in 1912.

In ascertaining the cause of the GOP’s critical condition, let us use Occam’s razor — the principle that the simplest explanation is often the right one.

Would the GOP wipeout in those heavily Catholic, ethnic, socially conservative, blue-collar bastions of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Illinois, which Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan swept, have anything to do with the fact that the United States since 2000 has lost 6 million manufacturing jobs and 55,000 factories?

Where did all those jobs and factories go? We know where.

They were outsourced. And in the deindustrialization of America, the Republican Party has been a culpable co-conspirator.

Unlike family patriarch Sen. Prescott Bush, who voted with Barry Goldwater and Strom Thurmond against JFK’s free-trade deal, Bush I and II pumped for NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and opening America’s borders to all goods made by our new friends in the People’s Republic of China.

Swiftly, U.S. multinationals shut factories here, laid off......

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


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1 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:19 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Too late, Pat. That ship sailed long ago it seems.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 6:53:18 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Steelfish

As long as conservative can agree on a particular third party ... good riddance to the ineffectual GOP. However, to get most conservatives to agree on a particular third party will be the trick.


3 posted on 11/10/2012 6:55:52 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Steelfish

I am not the biggest fan of Buchanan, but I believe he nails it here. I think the best chance for the GOP to become relevant again is to become Populist. But the Country Clubbers won’t allow it.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 6:57:24 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Steelfish
Would the GOP wipeout in those heavily Catholic, ethnic, socially conservative, blue-collar bastions of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Illinois, which Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan swept, have anything to do with the fact that the United States since 2000 has lost 6 million manufacturing jobs and 55,000 factories?

Uh no. If we had not lost the manufacturing jobs those states would be even more democrat. I don't see his point but that is not unusual because Pat Buchanan has some bizarre ideas.

5 posted on 11/10/2012 6:59:18 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Steelfish

Mr. Buchanan, right again, as usual...


6 posted on 11/10/2012 7:01:40 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Steelfish

Amnesty will swamp social services that are already on life support. Look at CA. They can’t even deal with the legal aliens.


7 posted on 11/10/2012 7:01:53 PM PST by randita
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To: Steelfish

Democrat party = ultra left wing..
Republican party = very left wing..
Libertarian party = left wing open to making a profit.. like the chinese..

What America needs is a right wing party..
There is none, zip.. none.. NO RIGHT WING at all..
I’ve looked there is none..

America has been, and Is Brain washed..
SO thoroughly that even leaning left concepts are called right wing..
State and Local givernment are vassals of the federal givernment..
And few there be that DON’T want it that way..


8 posted on 11/10/2012 7:06:52 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: doc1019

Count me in!
The pubs are still in the 70s, too touchy feely.


9 posted on 11/10/2012 7:07:30 PM PST by Wi40
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To: Steelfish

This seems a bit strong to me, but
(in a very different situation, and from a quite different perspective) Karl Marx did describe certain problematical conditions of his time and place, rather well.... but he then went on to propose a totally unworkable answer for them.
Here, Mr. Buchannan offers his view of some problematical conditions... but what is the answer (Or is an answer on offer? I don’t see one in the article...perhaps we are supposed to surmise one and I’m not catching on?)

We all know there’s a problem. I think the problem is far beyond a racial or even just a “I want my freebies!” issue. I think the problem is philosophical.. in that many of the O voters might really wish to make good lives for themselves (and not continue on the dole until they croak and go to Obama’s great socialist cremation kiln). At least some of them would, I believe, want to make good lives for themselves. But, while you and I know Gov. Romney would be far, far better for the economy and jobs that the demolition derby we have in the White House, did this message really get communicated to the voters on Obama’s dole? Did the R campaign go into the centers of unemployment and explain how there really would be jobs for people if he were elected? I think Gov. Romney wanted to do this. I do not know if he really succeeded, however?

I do not agree with Mr. Buchannan that the problem is that immigrants all, or mostly, want to freeload off the rest of us. Some, yes but my personal experience meeting (mostly Mexican) immigrants is that most of them are far more prone to get out and WORK, and work hard, rather than sitting on their butts watching Oprah and Geraldo all day. (what a horrible life that!).... In fact, Mr. Buchannon, it appears that we may have far more native USA people that won’t work, or won’t do a good day’s job if they do wind up on a payroll somewhere. I’ve never seen so many people with low or missing work ethics. And, most of these appear to be native Americans, not so many seem to be in the immigrant community. Again, this is just a personal anecdotal account and nothing scientific... but it persists over several years already.... what say you, Mr. Buchannon?

If I am even partly correct, then the problem is much larger than just a bunch of lazy, greedy illegal immigrants.
I think we may need to get our own house in order, too.....


10 posted on 11/10/2012 7:08:09 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Steelfish

I don’t think Pat has any useful answers. Manufacturing still exists in the US, we just make different things. I’ve read our output actually is at an all time high.

We’ve just reached a new level of mechanization which requires an all time low of semi-skilled labor. Robots replace workers on assembly lines.

However, he is right in that too many people are sucking up to China for no good reason, and Mexico.


11 posted on 11/10/2012 7:15:31 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Steelfish

12 posted on 11/10/2012 7:16:22 PM PST by mirkwood (let it burn)
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To: dfwgator
He seems to have overlooked the fact that the historical party affiliations are now backwards. He's laying out a populist message for the Republican Party that was never really part of the GOP message. A populist approach was really part of the Democratic platform, and it was only for a brief period of time in the 1980s when the GOP was able to generate enough strong appeal to those Democrats to win three straight presidential elections by very wide margins.

A more intriguing question for me is: Why does organized labor insist on voting for Democratic candidates and Democratic policies that have been such big factors in the decline of organized labor in the U.S.?

13 posted on 11/10/2012 7:16:22 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Steelfish

When a party loses by 2 points that hardly means it is headed for extinction. Obama was so protected by the media that many people were swayed by the his I need more time plea and many guilty white people did not want to vote out the first black president


14 posted on 11/10/2012 7:16:27 PM PST by zt1053
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To: Steelfish

The first sentence in the first comment of the 267 under the article at the source reads: “The United States is the greatest country in history.” And that’s the problem. Not the assertion itself, which may or may not be true, but bringing it to a discussion as an argument. Another worn out cliche. And cliches spoken reflect cliched thinking. The Right relies too much on them, and they sell as well as Coca Cola slogans from the 1950s would, which is why they’re not used today, D’uh!

Other than that, Buchanan is as usual right on target.


15 posted on 11/10/2012 7:17:31 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Steelfish

Interesting point about the large number of LEGAL immigrants who are beholden on the government. That is quite a base for any party with a socialist platform.


16 posted on 11/10/2012 7:20:03 PM PST by gotribe
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To: plain talk

” If we had not lost the manufacturing jobs those states would be even more democrat”


Not true! If the manufacturing jobs stayed, you’d have well-payed workers, with benefits, actually marrying their “babymamas”, buying homes, caring about their neighborhoods, and generally being solid middle-class citizens (i.e. the very sort of person who generally votes GOP). Instead, with the manufacturing jobs gone, you have a cohort of people working in low-paying service jobs (”welcome to Walmart”) usually with lousy benefits, not being able to afford to marry, probably on food-stamps, WIC or some such public assitence (i.e your classic ‘rat voter).


17 posted on 11/10/2012 7:21:46 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: plain talk
Buchanan is missing the point here. It wasn't GOP free trade that destroyed manufacturing in the US, it was the Left, Democrats and their union thug allies who chased these jobs overseas in these blue states. How come companies in South Carolina and Texas seem not to disappear to China.
18 posted on 11/10/2012 7:24:10 PM PST by gusty
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To: faithhopecharity

The hard working illegal ones were not the problem on Tuesday, why, they cannot vote. It’s there anchor baby offspring, sucking on the government teat, who are the problem, and they can vote.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 7:26:05 PM PST by gusty
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To: dfwgator

It might just work. Look at the growing power of populists in collapsing Europe. As America collapses under Obama’s debt, everyone will come crawling back.


20 posted on 11/10/2012 7:26:27 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Shadow44
You're right about U.S. manufacturing. People like Buchanan mistakenly assume that the loss of U.S. manufacting employment means we've had a decline in U.S. manufacturing output.

Your post is absolutely correct. Measured in terms of the dollar value of the products made here in the U.S., our manufacturing output is at an all-time high. What we don't have, however ... and we will likely never have again ... is a manufacturing economy built around massive factories that employ thousands of people working multiple shifts. Those days are over. Even most industries in China don't operate that way.

I think it would be helpful for everyone who has an interest in this subject (Pat Buchanan included) to sit down and have a serious reality-check about the history of U.S. manufacturing. Too many people look at a very small window of time -- the post-WW2 period when U.S. manufacturing employment was enormous -- and think of that as the norm. The reality is that the post-WW2 period was the exception, not the norm ... because the U.S. was the only major industrial power to emerge from World War II with our infrastructure and industrial capacity intact.

I'm sorry Mr. Buchanan cannot go back to those "good old days" of Eisenhower, "Lassie" and the Brooklyn Dodgers. It was all a construct and an anomaly of history, folks.

21 posted on 11/10/2012 7:26:47 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: F15Eagle
"Too late, Pat. That ship sailed long ago it seems."

It's not Pat that is too late. He has been warning of EXACTLY what is happening for a very, very, very long time. If they haven't already someone will be along shortly to try and cloud that fact with some straw-man Pat is 'anti-Semitic' BS.

22 posted on 11/10/2012 7:27:56 PM PST by moehoward
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To: zt1053

ok.. so by your supposition we should have won. WE DID NOT WIN BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH VOTERS WANT TO WORK FOR WHAT THEY HAVE. pLAIN AND SIMPLE. wE WILL NOT WIN A PRESIDENCY AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE BECAUSE WE WILL NOT OFFER THE JOBLESS INCOME THAT THE DEMS ARE FAMOUS FOR. sANTA CLAUS. THOSE VOTES ARE ALREADY RIGGED ANYWAY. jUST LOOK AT THE 123 PERCENT VOTING. wHO IS GONNA LOOK INTO IT? hOLDER? This once great country is on it’s knees and the kenyan is trying to strangle us. Who do we have as a shield? Boner. That idiot is a drunk and had an fbi file a mile long and male pages are involved. Remember the male page molestations?


23 posted on 11/10/2012 7:29:18 PM PST by mirkwood (let it burn)
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To: dfwgator

” - - - I think the best chance for the GOP to become relevant again is to become Populist.”

Since that has always been dogma of the Republicans In Name Only from day one, why has Populist Dole, Populist McCain and Populist Romney failed to win to Populist Democrats?

IMHO, any wanna-be Political Party is going to be rejected for the real thing. Hence, the more we try to be like the other kids on the block, the more the kids around the other blocks are going to wup us, every time.

The desire to be liked has bought us nothing but trouble: RINOs, Bipartisan Compromise, Abject Cave-ins, cheap verbal abuse by The Media, Sobbing Speaker of The House, repeated Presidential losses to one Communist Democrat, etc., etc., etc.

Being more like a Democrat is to eventually become a Democrat. Gradual or rapid, it is still a Cave-In. We will then be Republicans In Name Only in one-Party Nation.


24 posted on 11/10/2012 7:30:35 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: faithhopecharity
If I am even partly correct, then the problem is much larger than just a bunch of lazy, greedy illegal immigrants. I think we may need to get our own house in order, too.....

You are entirely correct. The illegals around here, who virtually all came to work in the fields, arrived extremely industrious (you have to be to get up at 3:30 in the morning and go out and freeze, and get dirty and bit by bugs, and then be boiling by noon when the work day ends). Of course, some pick up American habits and get a little lazy later on, but no more than the rest of us. The crime rate for Hispanics in this area is fairly high, but this primarily is outside of harvest season and/or ones who no longer work. Work seems to be a good thing. Surprise!

There are those who pick up on the anchor baby thing: more kids = more TANF and foodstamps. But this is the system's fault. Obviously if the welfare is there many of any ancestry are going to take advantage of it.

Overall they may tend to vote for Obama but I believe the majority live conservative everyday lives like we espouse. And I am aware of many who have worked their way out of welfare and live on earnings (sometimes it is the older children 18+ who support the test of the family).

25 posted on 11/10/2012 7:30:44 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: teflon9

You make a good point. Married women went for Romney in substantial numbers as opposed to single white women. Both in 2008 and 2012 single white women according to Gallup voted overwhelming for Obama. Much of this has to do with the uncertainty that comes with being female and single.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 7:30:58 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: moehoward

Agreed. Just saying the GOP destroyed themselves and too sissy to do anything years ago.


27 posted on 11/10/2012 7:31:11 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: mirkwood

Oh for the love of God, STHU. She is over.


28 posted on 11/10/2012 7:31:11 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: teflon9
You're right, but all those well-paid workers were staunch Democratic voters.

People seem to forget that the 1994 "Republic Revolution" gave the Republican Party control of the U.S. House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years. Most of those states Buchanan lists that were large states as far back as the 1950s have been heavily Democratic since before most of us were born.

29 posted on 11/10/2012 7:32:12 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: teflon9

Not even getting into good / bad of losing those manufacturing jobs. But more manufacturing = more unions and that means more democrat influence. so I don’t agree with Buchanan’s supposed point


30 posted on 11/10/2012 7:32:43 PM PST by plain talk
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To: faithhopecharity

But its hard to rebut this point made by Buchanan:

“Still, the GOP crisis is not so much illegal as legal immigration. Forty million legal immigrants have arrived in recent decades. Some 85 percent come from Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. Most arrived lacking the academic, language and labor skills to compete for high-paying jobs.”

This is the result of unlimited chain migration.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 7:35:00 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Alberta's Child

“You’re right, but all those well-paid workers were staunch Democratic voters.”


Yes, back in the 1950s and 60s when the Dems were still a halfway-decent political party. After 1968 (and especially 1972), Joe and Jane Lunchbucket grew disgusted with the flower-power takeover the democrat party, its anti-anti-communism (notice the 2 antis there!), its indulgence towards special interest groups, alternative “lifestyles” etc. Paraphrasing Ronaldus Magnus, those workers didn’t leave the democrat party, it left them.


32 posted on 11/10/2012 7:39:35 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Steelfish; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

The “conventional wisdom” is that the GOP has to change its ideology because of shrinking numbers.

So where the HELL are all of the articles in the MSM about the MSM needing to change their own damn politics because of shrinking audience numbers??

Enough rational thought, I now return you to your Saturday evening, already in progress.


33 posted on 11/10/2012 7:41:28 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: steve86

Yeah all those Italians and Greeks are taking advantage of all that welfare money. Get real.


34 posted on 11/10/2012 7:41:28 PM PST by gusty
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To: Alberta's Child
The populist message would be against illegal immigration, bailouts, debt and spending.

The GOP chose to nominate their candidate for whom supported the bailouts and other financial mechanisms but was against the support for things as the auto bailout.

The better approach would have been someone opposed to both.

The Dems played up Mitt's support for 'wall street'. That worked in Ohio and PA.

The siren song of populism will return, because the affects of global wage arbitrage will only get more obvious. The skepticism toward 'free trade' and similar positions will only increase.

35 posted on 11/10/2012 7:44:10 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: steve86

Yes that agrees with what I see too. Thanks


36 posted on 11/10/2012 7:46:46 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Steelfish
IS THE GOP HEADED FOR THE BONEYARD?

It's already there. Two-in-a-row RINOs equaled a lot of stay at home conservative voters. That they ever considered Christie a viable candidate verifies the GOP is truly out of touch and a waste of effort to conservative voters.

A black or latino candidate in either candidacy position would have secured far more minority votes than what Romney mustered. The obvious was apparently beyond the view of the GOP-kingmakers. Unless drastic ideology changes are made to and by the GOP hierarchy, incorporating true conservative values and candidates espousing them, 2016 will be no different.

37 posted on 11/10/2012 7:47:14 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Graewoulf

I see the Democrats today as being more elitist than anything.


38 posted on 11/10/2012 7:49:00 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Steelfish

bloody hell, he is right on.


39 posted on 11/10/2012 7:49:00 PM PST by onona (Don't mean nothin)
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To: doc1019

“As long as conservative can agree on a particular third party ... good riddance to the ineffectual GOP. However, to get most conservatives to agree on a particular third party will be the trick.”

I agree on both counts. Or maybe some true conservative heavyweights could join, say, the Constitution Party to get the ball rolling. I bet the multitudes would soon follow.

At any rate, it’s clear that playing ball with the Republicans hasn’t kept us from looking straight into the abyss.


40 posted on 11/10/2012 7:52:00 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: gusty

In our welfare office (where I go periodically as I am a legal guardian and have to file forms), there are many, many Russians and Somalians. Not many Italians and Greeks but then I don’t know of any recent immigrants from those countries around here.


41 posted on 11/10/2012 7:55:55 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: MichaelCorleone

I WAS a republican, if there were a true conservative party on the ballet in OH, I would jump. However, in OH you must be either Dem or Rep.


42 posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:30 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Steelfish

There is a great amount of honest work needing doing that doesn’t require university degrees. All honest work is commendable and to be honored. (And a lot of university-educated people show very little inclination to work, really, and many have less real work skills than those uneducated immigrants). I think the issue is largely that the immigrants tend to be hired because they work better than some of our own kids (or certainly the lazy bum kids who live next door - who complain about the crappy job market BHusseinO has created for them- but who really won’t work much anyway. This latter reason is why many of them stay unemployed while business hires immigrants who do want to work. Sounds harsh if u or ur kid is looking for a job, but then its all our lazy neighbors who poison the job well for you and me because the employers need reliable, productive workers and not the indolent, insolent pot-soaked son of a hippy next door) . Or something like that anyway. We need to get our own house in order and not just blame everything on immigrants (and yes, we need to limit their numbers during our recession ayt least, too, and screen out the muslim terrorists amongst them)


43 posted on 11/10/2012 8:01:25 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: doc1019
"As long as conservative can agree on a particular third party"

It might sound kooky, but we should all vote for The Green Party. If the Green Party takes off it might siphon enough of the ultra-left to make a dent in the Democrat Party.

Starting a conservative third party first will only grease the skids. Supporting a liberal third party will help to lessen the Democrat stranglehold, and allow us to think about a truly conservative fourth party to hold the Republicans' feet to the fire.

44 posted on 11/10/2012 8:02:31 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: dfwgator

The elitist wing of the Democrat party is the white liberal. He votes Democrat out of pure snobbery. However, John Derbyshire wrote that this segment might be the one to come our way in the long term. Once the Mark Steyn apocalypse keeps rolling to its inevitable conclusion, the white liberal will change their tune for the simple reason of survival. They have the luxury today of being Moonbats because the demographic numbers are not catastrophic, yet. Once the tipping point hits, they will find out that La Raza and the New Black Panther Party will have no loyalty to the Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosis of the world. Like the dynamic in prison, they will be looking for numbers. As Derbyshire quoted Lee Quan Yew of Singapore as saying all politics is tribal, the rest becomes BS. As much as we feel we are different, when push comes to shove we are no different than the Sunnis of Anbar Province or the Serbs of Bosnia.


45 posted on 11/10/2012 8:03:13 PM PST by gusty
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To: gusty

There could be some truth to that as well....but there are dark days ahead, Enoch Powell’s “Rivers of Blood” speech rings more and more true.


46 posted on 11/10/2012 8:05:16 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: steve86

Welfare did not begin five years ago. It’s been around awhile.


47 posted on 11/10/2012 8:06:00 PM PST by gusty
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To: Steelfish

America is heading for the bone yard. In fact, it just arrived. It GOP is irrelevant.


48 posted on 11/10/2012 8:12:46 PM PST by pallis
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To: Steelfish

I think Buchanan makes a lot of good points. At the same time, I have to ask the question: Why does no one say Democrats have ‘died’ when they lose elections? Where were the cries for Democrats to have a more relevant message after Bush was elected twice? And after the Tea Party victories of 2010? Conservatives - and some Republicans - still have a relevant message. Listen to Rush at CPAC again. The whole time I kept scratching me head thinking, ‘Here’s the man most hated by the Left, and I can’t understand why any Black or Hispanic wouldn’t agree with the fundamentals of what he’s saying.’ The problem is that we need to streamline our message. Too much has been added in that wasn’t meant to go there in the first place.


49 posted on 11/10/2012 8:24:32 PM PST by nagelbett
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To: F15Eagle

Ah. I stand corrected.


50 posted on 11/10/2012 8:26:54 PM PST by moehoward
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