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To: Steelfish

This seems a bit strong to me, but
(in a very different situation, and from a quite different perspective) Karl Marx did describe certain problematical conditions of his time and place, rather well.... but he then went on to propose a totally unworkable answer for them.
Here, Mr. Buchannan offers his view of some problematical conditions... but what is the answer (Or is an answer on offer? I don’t see one in the article...perhaps we are supposed to surmise one and I’m not catching on?)

We all know there’s a problem. I think the problem is far beyond a racial or even just a “I want my freebies!” issue. I think the problem is philosophical.. in that many of the O voters might really wish to make good lives for themselves (and not continue on the dole until they croak and go to Obama’s great socialist cremation kiln). At least some of them would, I believe, want to make good lives for themselves. But, while you and I know Gov. Romney would be far, far better for the economy and jobs that the demolition derby we have in the White House, did this message really get communicated to the voters on Obama’s dole? Did the R campaign go into the centers of unemployment and explain how there really would be jobs for people if he were elected? I think Gov. Romney wanted to do this. I do not know if he really succeeded, however?

I do not agree with Mr. Buchannan that the problem is that immigrants all, or mostly, want to freeload off the rest of us. Some, yes but my personal experience meeting (mostly Mexican) immigrants is that most of them are far more prone to get out and WORK, and work hard, rather than sitting on their butts watching Oprah and Geraldo all day. (what a horrible life that!).... In fact, Mr. Buchannon, it appears that we may have far more native USA people that won’t work, or won’t do a good day’s job if they do wind up on a payroll somewhere. I’ve never seen so many people with low or missing work ethics. And, most of these appear to be native Americans, not so many seem to be in the immigrant community. Again, this is just a personal anecdotal account and nothing scientific... but it persists over several years already.... what say you, Mr. Buchannon?

If I am even partly correct, then the problem is much larger than just a bunch of lazy, greedy illegal immigrants.
I think we may need to get our own house in order, too.....


10 posted on 11/10/2012 7:08:09 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: faithhopecharity

The hard working illegal ones were not the problem on Tuesday, why, they cannot vote. It’s there anchor baby offspring, sucking on the government teat, who are the problem, and they can vote.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 7:26:05 PM PST by gusty
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To: faithhopecharity
If I am even partly correct, then the problem is much larger than just a bunch of lazy, greedy illegal immigrants. I think we may need to get our own house in order, too.....

You are entirely correct. The illegals around here, who virtually all came to work in the fields, arrived extremely industrious (you have to be to get up at 3:30 in the morning and go out and freeze, and get dirty and bit by bugs, and then be boiling by noon when the work day ends). Of course, some pick up American habits and get a little lazy later on, but no more than the rest of us. The crime rate for Hispanics in this area is fairly high, but this primarily is outside of harvest season and/or ones who no longer work. Work seems to be a good thing. Surprise!

There are those who pick up on the anchor baby thing: more kids = more TANF and foodstamps. But this is the system's fault. Obviously if the welfare is there many of any ancestry are going to take advantage of it.

Overall they may tend to vote for Obama but I believe the majority live conservative everyday lives like we espouse. And I am aware of many who have worked their way out of welfare and live on earnings (sometimes it is the older children 18+ who support the test of the family).

25 posted on 11/10/2012 7:30:44 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: faithhopecharity

But its hard to rebut this point made by Buchanan:

“Still, the GOP crisis is not so much illegal as legal immigration. Forty million legal immigrants have arrived in recent decades. Some 85 percent come from Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. Most arrived lacking the academic, language and labor skills to compete for high-paying jobs.”

This is the result of unlimited chain migration.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 7:35:00 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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