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Obamacare has more chinks in its armor than a turtle without a shell
CCHC ^ | 11-14-12 | twila brase

Posted on 11/14/2012 2:07:56 PM PST by TurboZamboni

Obamacare has more chinks in its armor than a turtle without a shell. As a result, state governors and legislators can inflict great damage. The following amazing chink was discussed by a Goldwater Institute attorney during a Tennessee-based webinar on Monday . It's only 10 lines long in the 950-page version of the law:

"No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendment), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs."

Let that sink in. No one is required to participate.

(Excerpt) Read more at healthenews.cchfreedom.org ...


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KEYWORDS: governors; obamacare; repeal; resist
Obama won a second term, but Obamacare is in big trouble. Ballot initiatives to assert state control over health care passed with 77% support in Wyoming, 62% in Missouri and 59% in Alabama. And yesterday, Governor Bentley from Alabama announced he wouldn't do the exchange, and suggested a "significant number" of governors would also refuse. Meanwhile 30 more anti-Obamacare lawsuits are waiting in the wings. So, let's not be discouraged. Let's work hard to help States stop national health care.

Our motto: Resist. Repeal. Reclaim.

1 posted on 11/14/2012 2:08:05 PM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Amen. We can STILL defeat this power grab, if not completely, then substantially. Don’t give up the ship!


2 posted on 11/14/2012 2:09:17 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: TurboZamboni
WRT the title...

3 posted on 11/14/2012 2:10:23 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

4 posted on 11/14/2012 2:12:24 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: MrB

I knew that was coming.

lol


5 posted on 11/14/2012 2:12:30 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

So what?

It’ll go to the Supreme Court where the justices will declare it means whatever the heck they want it to mean.

“No individual...” will end up meaning “every individual must...”


6 posted on 11/14/2012 2:13:15 PM PST by Brookhaven (theconservativehand.com - alt2p.com)
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To: TurboZamboni

Wouldn’t that be something if this law forced states to assert their rights in a more decisive fashion since before the civil war.


7 posted on 11/14/2012 2:17:19 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Brookhaven
"Voluntary Compliance" mean anything to you?

AKA "The Code"

8 posted on 11/14/2012 2:18:22 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Ya ... but none of the associated taxes will go away.


9 posted on 11/14/2012 2:21:30 PM PST by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: Brookhaven

or, roberts will finally concede “this is such a piece of hosed up tax code that it substantially violates due process, so in the trash it goes.”


10 posted on 11/14/2012 2:22:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TurboZamboni

The “no one” referred to is to health INSURERS not to the people who purchase health care insurance. Thus, no company (or individual) that offers health insurance is required to participate. I wonder if that applies to people who self-insure? I doubt it. That woud too easy a loophole.


11 posted on 11/14/2012 2:24:45 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: TurboZamboni

This line seems to be referring to the actual insurers - not those providing isurance for their companies under Obamacare. In other words, State Farm Insurance Company is not required to participate in Obamacare, as it is providing insurance coverage for Obamacare.

It’s an exemption for insurance companies - ironic, eh?


12 posted on 11/14/2012 2:26:44 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: donhunt

The Spanish American war ended a century before the telephone tax set up to pay for it was ended.


13 posted on 11/14/2012 2:26:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TurboZamboni
Obama can thank Reid and Pelosi for this flaw. They cobbled together this monstrosity in the middle of the night with lawyers representing unions, pharmaceutical makers, health insurers, trial lawyers, and public hospitals. Like a Rube Goldberg contraption it will collapse under the weight of its over built parts.
14 posted on 11/14/2012 2:28:59 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Talisker

It’s both/and, not either/or.


15 posted on 11/14/2012 2:30:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: donhunt
but none of the associated taxes will go away.

Once they get those 15,000 new IRS agents on the rolls, they definitely won't be going away. This was basically a "jobs" bill for attorneys.

16 posted on 11/14/2012 2:30:11 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: donhunt
and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

Taxes on individuals would remain. But if insurers are free to offer policies prohibited by Obamacare (such as catastrophic only) then the savings an individual makes by choosing such coverage could be greater than the fines, at least in the early years of rollout.

FYI if anyone else is looking for it in the law, it's section 1555.

17 posted on 11/14/2012 2:30:26 PM PST by PeevedPatriot ("A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left."--Eccl 10:2)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

They were probably hoping it was going to be bipartisan, meaning that Republicans were going to help sift out and correct the most arrant problems. But the GOP said to the Democrats “No, you conduct your own funeral.”


18 posted on 11/14/2012 2:32:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TurboZamboni

some of you geniuses can figure out if this is accurate.

so many people who are on our side have read through this...if this were true, I have to believe someone at Heritage or CATO or someplace like that would have seen it.


19 posted on 11/14/2012 2:39:09 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: TurboZamboni
chinks in its armor

I'm sorry, Twila Brase, didn't you get the memo that this phrase was racist?

20 posted on 11/14/2012 3:03:28 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: TurboZamboni

So “chink in armor” is a term now?


21 posted on 11/14/2012 3:10:30 PM PST by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: muawiyah

“The Spanish American war ended a century before the telephone tax set up to pay for it was ended.”

And the Interstate Commerce Commission was established in 1887 and abolished in 1995. Are you inferring, dear lady, that no progress has been made?


22 posted on 11/14/2012 4:34:01 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: sergeantdave

Your boy, Perri Caliente, is no longer involved in a campaign. The guy who skunked him got skunked as well.


23 posted on 11/14/2012 4:46:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

OK, You got me on Perri Caliente. I looked it up, and I’m getting Columbian grilled hot dogs.

Let me return the favor and give you this incomprehensible post::”Where’s My Hot Dog? Perro Colombiano at La Casa de la Antojitos ...”

Back to you, muawiyah.


24 posted on 11/14/2012 5:31:26 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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