Posted on 11/21/2012 12:18:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving. I expect all of you atheists, agnostics, America-haters, smart-ass liberals who think things suck in this country, and otherwise ungrateful people to be at work on time and with your smiley faces on. We'll be there to buy our television sets a little after 8:00 PM.
For the rest of you, particularly graduates of the public school system, here's a little easy-to-digest American history for you to chomp on in between bites of that dried out turkey you'll insist is "the best turkey [you] ever had."
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William Flax
The original Plymouth colony was just to the East of where Massachusetts was finally carved out of Acadia! Plymouth was clearly part of Virginia at the time it was sold to the Pilgrims. Later on it was plastered onto Massachusetts.
Virginia's Southern border was surveyed at about the same time, and by the same survey crew. I'm hot on their trail and at this time they seem to be Swedes who were regularly referred to as Dutch ~ even by the Indians, but the family originated in Brittany ~ and had been involved in American surveys and exploration since before the period of the Religious Wars in France (roughly early to mid 1500s).
The last notable to occupy their old family estate and chateau in Brittany was an inlaw named Coligny, and he'd sponsored an expedition by other Huguenots to find a safe place for them to settle ~ but alas, they ended up all the way South in La Florida and were clobbered by a Spaniard also involved in settlement activity.
These folks got quite involved in the Protestant reformation, with some of them being forced to flee to Scandinavia and Bohemia, and others fleeing to Spain where they had relatives high up in the Church (who could protect them, and did so).
Once Filipe I/II died in 1598, along with Elizabeth I, and some other antagonists in Western Europe, Spain carved up North America ~ Acadia went to the King of Scotland, La Florida and the land beyond the Mississippi went to Spain, the region around the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence went to French interests. Russia gained lands in the Far North, and just as soon as someone could get up there and survey the area they all promised to get 'er done!
The area that was Virginia ended up in English hands, but everybody else was supposed to be allowed to go there ~ and, as we know, they did. No surprise there.
Virginia was later on carved up into Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, part of New York, and West Virginia. The Western boundary set by state was a line connecting the highest peaks of the cordillera ~ which we call the Appalachians. The same survey team actually set some stones there, and otherwise appears to have drawn much of the Western boundary along major landmarks, and just to the West of what became known as the Carolina Road ~ now US 15.
They didn't get around to drawing the line between Acadia and New France and there continue to be disputes over lines drawn later. One province, New Brunswick, was carved out of either Quebec or Nova Scotia, but no one can agree on what it was carved out of!
This is just plain wrong. While other factors did contribute, the fact that they flourished once Governor Bradford brought private property to the colony shows that it was the collectivist model that was the primary factor in their near-starvation.
BTW, nobody mentions what percentage of what families produced was taken for taxes, but I am certain that it was quite a lot lower than today's tax rates, which is another factor in their ultimate success.
Not all of them. Some ended up in New York, where they founded a settlement they named Nouvelle Rochelle (New Rochelle.) It's in Westchester County and was made famous by The Dick Van Dyke Show.
Some Acadians also moved south, to the place the French named Louisiana. Today, we know their descendants as Cajuns.
at least they didn't blame superstorm Sandy or Bush.
That was mostly BEFORE the period of persecution that led to the Edict of Nantes.
In Brittany, the nobility was split ~ the rural nobles who owned land became hard core Protestants. The urban nobles who engaged in trade and finance became hard core Catholics. Earlier I'm sure both sides were more interested in throwing out French interests and bringing in Spain (and the Hapsburg crown) to conduct affairs of state for them.
Some families were very split with brothers adhering to Spain, or to the Bourbons, or to Guise ~ and in the end they all had to flee ~ they managed to chose all the wrong sides! America was like a bright and shining beacon on a hill drawing them to these shores.
We can thank the earlier Huguenots for our second amendment. They were among the first people to realize that firearms meant freedom of conscience was possible even in a totalitarian dictatorship. The later Huguenots taught that it was important to limit the tyrant, or others who might like to be tyrants, by prohibiting the quartering of soldiers in private homes (SEE: Dragonettes Orders). All of them together with their other co-religionists in other countries came up with the First Amendment ~ there's everything in there that has to do with freedom to be one's self. The writers ~ Mason and Leland, had Huguenot ancestors!
Today America's proudest accomplishment is freedom of speech and freedom of conscience ~ still unique in the world ~ like Margaret Thatcher said, when it comes to free speech, the world is divided into two parts. First there's America, and then there's the rest of the world.
This occurred in the mid 1700s though. That's a good 2 centuries later than the first Huguenot attempt to settle in America.
Didn't want anyone to think the Acadians simply moved to Louisiana ~ in fact, over the years many people slipped back into New York and New England ~ both formerly part of Acadia!
This attempt at genocide soured Anglo-American relations for centuries ~ and is still remembered as one of the worst atrocities ever commited against innocent men, women and children.
This is precisely the reason the Huguenots kept their guns and refused to stack arms at the end of the French Religious Wars. It's also the reason we don't want the government coming into our homes, bedding their girlfriends at our expense, eating our food, riding our horses, and making us worship the wame as them.
Obama and his running dog lackeys are no different than Louis XIV ~ and must be opposed in every respect possible.
No, wrong century...
wrong lot of Huguenots...
The huguenots who went to floridaq were all murdered by the Catholic Spaniards...
ONR HUNDRED YEARS LATER ...1680...after the revoking of the Edict of Nantes, Huguenots arrived in New York and founded New Rochelle...
Granted Jesse De Forest was a Huguenot/Walloon, but he didnt send his group to New York until 1623/24...
He tried to send them to Virginia and the info in Post #1 is interesting because they might well have landed there after all...
They were mostly from France and had fled to Amsterdam and had petitioned the English Ambassador there to intercede oon their behalf to the English king
After waiting around for a couple of years and finding that the English wouldnt let them go to Virginai, they asked the Dutch for a ship and got at least 2...
The Neiuw Netherlandt and the Pigeon...
The NN camt to New York, Jesse De Forest took the Pigeon to Dutch Guiana in South America first intending to go on to New York after dropping of some of the settlers...
The settlers took one look at Guiana and insisted they be taken back to Holland...
Jesse De Forest died waiting for the ship to return...
He was my 9th great grandfather...
However I had family on the other ship too...
Phillip Du Trieux and his family were on board the Neiuw Netherlandt...
Three of his daughters were all my ancestors...Maria, Sarah, Rebecca.. ..
Maria marriad Jan Peeck of Jan Peeck’s Creek or kill later called Peekskill...
Sara Du Trieux married Isaac De Forest the son of Jesse
Rerbecca married Simon Simonse Groot...
Later Huguenot families like the Badeaus, the Sicards and the Parcots came to New York and help found New Rochelle after 1680...
Again all ancestors of mine...
There were European surveyors working there ~ on the line ~ in 1612. Presumably they'd been there earlier. Their presence is mentioned in early 17th century documents several times.
Anthony delaGard(ie) is mentioned more than once ~ he's part of the Delagardie's of Stockholm ~ check out Pontus, Magnus and Jacob (James).
Several histories reference the Governor of Virginia (Argall) sailing up to Nova Scotia and picking him and two others up out in the St. lAwrence estuary where they were rowing around.
No doubt Argall knew something about these guys ~ Anthony would be one of the members of the Swedish royal family, the other two were likely cousins. One of his great grandfathers was the first Vasa King Gustav I. The information on Gustav I indicates he had his own Bourbon lineage as well ~ a Great Grandmother or more who found herself shipped out to a husband in the far North.
The Swedish noble and military classes definitely had an interest in North America! You'll notice that Pontus, like the Coneheads on SNL, came from France!
I had some Huguenots in the family myself. They decided to get out of France, wound up in British territory, and decided it wasn’t a really good idea to have a French name among the English. So they opened their KJV and picked a name out of the begats (see Matthew 1:3.) I think they may have been having fun, because there is a French word spelled the same as my last name that means lights (of some sort — a friend found it on a traffic sign in Quebec, going into a tunnel — apparently meaning headlights in that instance.)
I grew up in Westchester County, BTW.
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