Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

A New Direction for Conservatives (pt 1)
My View of The World ^ | Nvember 22, 2012 | James P. Willis

Posted on 11/22/2012 6:35:12 AM PST by possum john

On Christmas Eve of last year, I wrote an article expressing my disgust and frustration with the Republican Party. Now, almost a year later, the GOP has once again proven that it has become a completely ineffective vehicle with which to advance the conservative agenda. The election is over, and now is the time to start the process of choosing a suitable replacement.

This is not a step I take lightly. For more than 30 years I have been a loyal Republican, serving in positions within the party as well as being a vocal supporter of GOP candidates and the party itself. For years I excused the failings of the party and did what I could to bring about change from within. During that time it became increasingly clear that the party organization was more interested in playing political games for the sake of winning elections rather than advancing an agenda. It also became increasingly clear that they were not even very good at playing the game. The fact that the GOP was unable to win an election against the undisputed worst President in modern history is testament to need for new direction.

(Excerpt) Read more at jamespwillis.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: conservatism; republicanparty; thirdparty
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051 next last
I think this is a discussion we need to have.
1 posted on 11/22/2012 6:35:16 AM PST by possum john
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: possum john

It will likely take care of itself as we will be in a total economic collapse and CWII by the next election.


2 posted on 11/22/2012 6:48:52 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: possum john

Amen, brother!

I didn’t get the 17th Amendment thing at first, because I never looked into it, and now that I see how the founding fathers had originally set it up, it makes perfect sense. Why the hell did they ever change that!?


3 posted on 11/22/2012 7:01:51 AM PST by Thorliveshere
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: possum john

I agree 100% with the author. I think we should coalesce around a POTUS candidate and work out the details later. I would support Rand Paul, not quite the distant libertarian that his father was, but more well grounded in conservative principles.

Rand Paul - Allen West 2016 (or sooner)!

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016-presidential-race/2012/11/21/rand-paul-2016


4 posted on 11/22/2012 7:08:41 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: possum john

I am in agreement with the author. I am done supporting the slightly less progressive wing of the Democrats (the GOP). It has become a One Party State that is enslaving us.


5 posted on 11/22/2012 7:14:20 AM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: broken_arrow1

Coalescing around a candidate will serve only that candidate, and then not that well. If we do the ground work now, we will have the credibility and structure necessary to effectively field a Presidential candidate. If we jump the gun however, we will just take our place alongside the other minor parties that never get more than single digits in the elections.


6 posted on 11/22/2012 7:18:09 AM PST by possum john
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: possum john
Coalescing around a candidate will serve only that candidate, and then not that well. If we do the ground work now, we will have the credibility and structure necessary to effectively field a Presidential candidate.

Let's Roll...

7 posted on 11/22/2012 7:20:41 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: possum john

It will be interesting to see what amnesty and open borders do to voter demographics by 2016. Unlike some of the optimistic, conservative pundits who crawled out of their funks post election to predict GOP victories in 2014 and 2016, I think we will see the opposite. It is very likely that George W. Bush will have the distinction of being our last Republican president. People wishing to preserve the Republican Party will probably do better to concentrate on state houses and governorships. The GOP will settle back into its comfort zone as a minority party in Washington.


8 posted on 11/22/2012 7:22:55 AM PST by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Thorliveshere

Why the hell did they ever change that!?

For the sake of political advantage, if all of Congress is taken care of by popular vote, it’s easy to take control of Congress using sway, and of course, Senators that keep getting re-elected just for being the same old guys.


9 posted on 11/22/2012 7:24:52 AM PST by Morpheus2009
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: possum john

Excellent stuff. Name change to Foundation Party is good. I rather like Common Sense Coalition.


10 posted on 11/22/2012 7:28:50 AM PST by grumpa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: broken_arrow1

Electoral politics is a brutal survival of the fittest contest.

As George Allen has proven again, never ever EVER nominate a proven loser for anything.

West couldn’t hold his own seat. He should never be nominated for statewide or national office. Period.


11 posted on 11/22/2012 7:30:36 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: possum john

Question: why did the GOP not win senate or house seats when Romney won at the top of the ticket? Answer: enough Reagan split their tickets, voting Romney at the top and staying loyal to the party the rest of the way. The GOP lost because the Tea Party / Palin / Ron Paul folks stayed home. I don’t blame them. They were insulted, screwed, and laughed at by the likes of Rove, Morris, the RNC etc. Screw the GOP. The Bush-lites want it as their own. Let ‘em have it. It is time for a third party. With hard work it could gain enough seats in 2014 to have real leverage in Congress. 50 seats in the House and 8 or 10 in the Senate could bring everything to a halt.


12 posted on 11/22/2012 7:37:05 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: possum john

Idiots who think they can start at the top will be very excited by this LOL!

Work on the House first.
Then you have a base to start a national party, or take over an existing one.
Thankfully, conservatives are almost at this point in the House now!

So if you want to save America just get another 20 or 30 conservative House members elected- or at least STFU.


13 posted on 11/22/2012 7:55:01 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mrsmith

That was my suggestion (I am the author of this blog (thank you possum john)). The only thing we will accomplish by going off half-cocked is to become yet another minor party that never gets off the ground.


14 posted on 11/22/2012 8:12:14 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Repulican Donkey

Great idea! I love the thought of a turd party. Why a turd party could even get say... 10-12% in a 2016 election. We could insure another far left potus for eight years.We could make sure the country goes far down the tubes forever! Simply brilliant!(sarc) in case you couldn’t tell.


15 posted on 11/22/2012 8:19:57 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: deaconjim

Frankly then all this is distractive and even antiproductive.
Though you know your audience best, and your priciples are sound, the attainment of a conservative Party is not helped by defining it. Just do it!
Just work to get that 20 or 30 more conservatives in the House.
It’s so simple and everything else is beside the point.

And don’t fall for the fiscal/social conservative divide meme.
The fiscal/social liberal divide doesn’t get attention for the simple reason it doesn’t matter either.

Thanks for writing on these issues and Happy Thanksgiving!


16 posted on 11/22/2012 8:43:03 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: possum john

Ross Perot stopped the discussion when he graced us with Bill Clinton—twice. No thanks.


17 posted on 11/22/2012 9:11:55 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: possum john

Obama didn’t win by a landslide. Even with the Republican candidate that the Democrats picked. The Democrats were running ads on a black network telling blacks to “Vote as if your life depends on it!” What kind of ad can they run after that? I suppose they could run ads of guys wearing white sheets hanging black people, but that might be too much for even Robert Redford.
The Democrats pulled off a win. Big deal. They don’t have a lock on the next election.

“Understand yourself and understand your opponents, and in one hundred battles, you will not be defeated.”

We were defeated. Obviously, we didn’t understand our voters or the Democrat voters or both.


18 posted on 11/22/2012 10:07:02 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rodguy911

How is that different than what we just got? I’ve had to hold my nose in every election since Reagan left office. Supporting the GOP Progressives has resulted in 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Obama. Not quite the track record to brag on, is it?


19 posted on 11/22/2012 10:27:07 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: righttackle44

John McCain and Mitt Romney restarted the conversation when they gave us 8 years of Obama. If you’re okay with that, then please, stay with the GOP. You are one of them.


20 posted on 11/22/2012 10:32:09 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: blueunicorn6

Elections aren’t horseshoes or hand grenades. Regardless of the margin, Obama won.

We do have to understand our enemies, and the first step is understanding who they are. The Progressives in the GOP are just as much of an enemy as the Progressives in the DNC.


21 posted on 11/22/2012 10:48:47 AM PST by possum john
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: possum john

To be honest, in every election since Reagan left office, the Progressives won. Conservatives haven’t had a genuine victory since 1984.

We have tried to convince black voters to abandon their blind allegience to the DNC because the DNC has done nothing to help them, but we continue the same type of relationship with the RNC. I think it’s time to take our own advice.


22 posted on 11/22/2012 10:57:14 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: deaconjim
You are not addressing my post. We both know that starting a third party only assures our destruction. We have to take over the Republican Party and make it into a Tea Partyesque Conservative Party. Will it happen tomorrow? No. Is every one of our candidates going to be Reaganesque? Hell no. But,we do have Marco, Sarah and even Paul Ryan out there. We do have some great talent in the wings.Also try and remember no one is 100% conservative We are well on the way to a conservative party. This is not the time to get soft. We have about a year to go viral on rinos. Its now time to do so.For me I would start with Christie and Powell.They can leave the party tomorrow as far as I am concerned.
23 posted on 11/22/2012 11:47:17 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: rodguy911

That carrot has been dangling from the stick so long that it’s dried up and turning brown. The Prgressives are too well entrenched. We can waste our time fighting it, or we can expend our energy building a new party. We’ve spent so much time fighting the Progressives in our own party that we’ve let the Progressives in the DNC run rampant. I’m less interested in fixing the problems in the GOP than I am with fixing the problems in our country.


24 posted on 11/22/2012 11:56:21 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: broken_arrow1
Let's Roll...

Shall I pass around a sign-up sheet?

25 posted on 11/22/2012 12:15:31 PM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: deaconjim

Well good luck with all that your gonna need it. At best you can elect a lot of democrats before the country is totally in the tank and it won’t matter what you do.


26 posted on 11/22/2012 12:19:24 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: rodguy911

The GOP seems quite adept at electing Democrats. My goal is to try to do something different.


27 posted on 11/22/2012 12:33:24 PM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: deaconjim

http://www.selfgovernment.us/about.html


28 posted on 11/22/2012 12:36:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: possum john

BFL


29 posted on 11/22/2012 12:41:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance

Thank you, this does look interesting.


30 posted on 11/22/2012 12:44:09 PM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: editor-surveyor

I’m afraid to ask, but what does BFL mean?


31 posted on 11/22/2012 12:50:34 PM PST by possum john
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: rodguy911; deaconjim

Rod - I don’t think starting a 3rd party assures our destruction. I think it’s the only path to success. But we have to take a long-term view on the presidency - 12-16 years - instead of supporting more of the same. We can’t continue this short-term thinking. It’s killing us.

The GOP is a damaged brand, as is the “Tea Party” (not the Tea Party philosophy, just the name). There is no point in pursuing either one any more. The media has successfully destroyed them.

Instead, we either join the Constitution party or start another which will take much longer, and start looking for legitimate congressional candidates who can communicate conservatism in a rational and convincing manner. A massive influx of conservatives into the Constitution Party will give it credibility that will attract both legitimate candidates and additional conservatives. One win is all it will take to turn the corner.

We abandon the presidency for the next 2-3 cycles and concentrate our efforts on getting Tea Party-type people into a majority position in the House and Senate - local and state efforts, not national efforts - more under the radar. If we’re able to get a majority of conservative candidates into congress, whoever is President is immaterial. With 60 senators and a majority in the House, we can get anything passed we want to - overriding a presidential veto as required.

I doubt the GOP will ever have another of their candidates elected as President - with our current demographic and a treasonous media, even if the GOP gets a candidate elected he will only be less liberal than the liberal the Dems put up.

I don’t see any other way at this point. I said early this year that the selection of Mitt Romney as the GOP candidate would be the death of the GOP. We can’t change it from within, we can’t continue to support more of the same and I believe that there is no way to convince the mentally-challenged, non-conservatives and non-republicans to join us - the media won’t let it happen. It’s time we recognize this and take some positive action to save the Country.


32 posted on 11/22/2012 1:23:35 PM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Larry - Moe and Curly

Count me out when it comes to third parties. You seem to think we have a lot more time that I do.


33 posted on 11/22/2012 1:34:05 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: rodguy911

That’s the beauty of this country - we all have choices and opportunities. If we don’t have the time, it won’t matter whether we’re in the GOP or somewhere else.

Hope you’re having a good Thanksgiving.


34 posted on 11/22/2012 1:55:32 PM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Thorliveshere

The best tool to destroy the republic and concentrate more power in Washington was the repeal of the 17th amendment. If state legislature selected senators the R’s would be at almost 60 right now.


35 posted on 11/22/2012 2:01:01 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Larry - Moe and Curly
The GOP is a damaged brand, as is the “Tea Party” (not the Tea Party philosophy, just the name). There is no point in pursuing either one any more. The media has successfully destroyed them.

So, you think that if we successfully start the Green Umbrella Party, the media won't destroy that next?

Nonsense. Destroy the media instead.

36 posted on 11/22/2012 2:06:36 PM PST by Lazamataz (Islam is a religious form of Nazism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

If you completely destroy the media, you will still be left with a GOP dominated and led by Progressives.


37 posted on 11/22/2012 2:54:47 PM PST by possum john
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Larry - Moe and Curly; rodguy911; deaconjim
I've got to read this whole thread; was checking "latest comments" and read the below by the 3 Stooges, what an apt name! Letting the commie/muzzie/criminal gang win the next 2 to 3 presidencies means utter doom for the USA.

We abandon the presidency for the next 2-3 cycles and concentrate our efforts on getting Tea Party-type people into a majority position in the House and Senate - local and state efforts, not national efforts - more under the radar. If we’re able to get a majority of conservative candidates into congress, whoever is President is immaterial.

More actual conservative Congressmen is good; fat chance on Senators, and to top it all off, with massive election fraud now the Dems SOP plus ruling by Executive Order and Fed agencies by unilateral fiat, we're freaking doomed without serious fightback. Giving up on anything but Dem/thug presidents for 2 or 3 cycles is utter suicide.

38 posted on 11/22/2012 4:14:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah

Conservatives haven’t won a Presidential election since 1984. We’ve got to take a different approach if we ever want to win another.


39 posted on 11/22/2012 4:32:36 PM PST by possum john
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: possum john

I agree we need a different approach. A few thoughts:

1. Actual conservative candidates with courage and a unsurppressable fighting spirit who are willing to fight other Rs on conservative issues and any corruption.

2. Above candidates must be not only ready, willing and able but straining at the leash to attack the leftist MSM and take on election fraud.

3. State Rs need to go after election fraud with guts as someone mentioned above.

Basically no “tactic” will work other than real conservatives, with guts and fighting spirit. It’s a given that the MSM is nothing but the mouthpiece of hardcore leftists/thugs/Dems. So trying to make nice with them or cater to them is a losing tactic.


40 posted on 11/22/2012 5:57:06 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah

“I’ve got to read this whole thread; was checking “latest comments” and read the below by the 3 Stooges, what an apt name! Letting the commie/muzzie/criminal gang win the next 2 to 3 presidencies means utter doom for the USA.”

Wow! When you disagree with someone you also have to try to belittle them and or their ideas. Very mature.

Your opinion is yours and your choices are yours. Let’s talk again over the next 2-3 election cycles and see what’s improved. Looking forward to improvement, but not expecting it.

Remind me again - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of what?


41 posted on 11/22/2012 7:07:38 PM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Lazamataz

If a party was started called the Green Umbrella Party, the media wouldn’t have to destroy it.

“Nonsense. Destroy the media instead.”

Suggestions? I’m up for pretty much anything, but let’s have a plan, not just words.

(Don’t get excited about my comment about the GUP - I get your point. I’ve made a suggestion on how to change the dynamic. If you come up with a suggestion that is better or has a better chance of success, I’ll be happy to get on board. “Changing the GOP from the inside” is not possible. Just saying “Destroy the media” doesn’t get us anywhere.)


42 posted on 11/22/2012 7:16:00 PM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Larry - Moe and Curly; possum john

Straw man arguments - I never said we should do the same thing over and over again, and I gave very specific reasons why giving up and letting Dem/thugs have the next 2 or 3 election cycles is suicide.

You did not address any points I made in my comment to you nor my one above to possum john. You will note that I addressed your whining that the MSM trashed the Tea Party and Repub “brands”. Any new party/organization/slogan/ideas/ etc that conservatives come up with will obviously be equally trashed, as the MSM is the hand puppet of lefitsts/Dems. Trying to make it so the MSM “likes” conservatives is idiocy multiplied a millionfold.

We need actual Constitutionalist conservatives running as Rs who are pit bull attack dogs.


43 posted on 11/22/2012 9:36:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah

There is no doubt that we need Constitutionalist conservatives to run for office, but they fight a losing battle when they have to fight against their own party as well as the Democrats. I have on several occasions seen good conservatives pretty much locked out by the GOP establishment in favor of the more ‘moderate’ candidates. It has gotten to the point that we have little to gain from affiliating ourselves with the GOP.


44 posted on 11/23/2012 3:03:50 AM PST by possum john
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Larry - Moe and Curly

I have supported true constitutional government all my adult life and am damn tired of flip flopping cowards that bow down to the Bible Thumpers to get nominated and then refuse to fight for the office. What’s with Bob Doyle, John McCain and Mitt Romney? Each and every one refused to take the gloves off and punch back. When Dems are elected they harass Repubs with law suits, phoney charges etc. and even drive them out of office, yet the Repubs never give them any pay back. I wanted a candidate that would publically on nation wide TV during the debates question Obama’s passport, college loan/grant applications and his claim to citizenship lies. Make him put up or shut up. Instead we got an ultra nice guy that had the election ripped away from him when he had it made.


45 posted on 11/23/2012 4:57:17 AM PST by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: little jeremiah

LJ wrote: “You did not address any points I made in my comment to you nor my one above to possum john. You will note that I addressed your whining that the MSM trashed the Tea Party and Repub “brands”. Any new party/organization/slogan/ideas/ etc that conservatives come up with will obviously be equally trashed, as the MSM is the hand puppet of lefitsts/Dems. Trying to make it so the MSM “likes” conservatives is idiocy multiplied a millionfold.”

LJ, here is your entire response to me:


“I’ve got to read this whole thread; was checking “latest comments” and read the below by the 3 Stooges, what an apt name! Letting the commie/muzzie/criminal gang win the next 2 to 3 presidencies means utter doom for the USA.

‘We abandon the presidency for the next 2-3 cycles and concentrate our efforts on getting Tea Party-type people into a majority position in the House and Senate - local and state efforts, not national efforts - more under the radar. If we’re able to get a majority of conservative candidates into congress, whoever is President is immaterial.’

More actual conservative Congressmen is good; fat chance on Senators, and to top it all off, with massive election fraud now the Dems SOP plus ruling by Executive Order and Fed agencies by unilateral fiat, we’re freaking doomed without serious fightback. Giving up on anything but Dem/thug presidents for 2 or 3 cycles is utter suicide.”


Did you read what I wrote? Do you understand the phrase “under the radar”?

Just what “points” am I supposed to respond to? Your snarky opinion about the 3 Stooges? Your agreement with me that actual conservative congressmen is good? Your OPINION that there is a “FAT CHANCE” that we’ll get more conservative senators - addressed to a Texas resident who just helped elect Ted Cruz? Your OPINION that any other way than through the Democrat Lite, I mean, Republican, Party “is utter suicide” ?

Didn’t read your post to Possum John - don’t care what you said to him and it has nothing to do with our “conversation” - or the conversation I was trying to have with you. In the future, if you want me to pay attention to something you say, then make sure you copy me on it.

All I did was make a suggestion that we need to look at a different strategy, because what we’ve been doing for the last 20 YEARS isn’t working. If you don’t agree with my OPINION, fine. I never presented this as FACT - other than the media destroying (with their help) the GOP brand. Haven’t been able to figure out how that was interpreted as “whining”, or how anything I said could be interpreted a a need for the media to “like” us. I’m still working on those leaps.

What is it with you that you can’t have an adult conversation without slamming someone for thinking differently, belittling their ideas or calling them names? You act like you’re 16 years old and have ALL the answers, just like we all did when we were 16 - before we found out there was a lot of stuff out there that we didn’t even know existed, figured out that people have different opinions for very good (or bad) reasons and that there are just some people who can’t face reality and do what is necessary to save their own lives.

When you’re ready to discuss the subject like an adult without the snarky comments, get back to me, or not. Otherwise, we’re done. (I expect to get a snarky reply from you, but I’m looking forward to being happily disappointed. I just don’t think you’ll be able to let it go. I couldn’t when I was 16.)


46 posted on 11/23/2012 11:32:41 AM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: possum john

Bump for Later.

Was it really that hard?


47 posted on 11/23/2012 11:43:20 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: possum john

That is why Repubs with actual conservative ie Constiutionalist principles, and guts, need to take over the R party.


48 posted on 11/23/2012 11:57:46 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Larry - Moe and Curly
Your response above is 90% snark/personal criticism, btw. And what I said to possum john, I am copying below to you, since it is germane to the discussion. When I said "fat chance" about getting a lot or majority of conservative Senators elected; I didn't mean that there couldn't be one or two here or there, just the possibility of getting a majority of conservative Senators elected soon will not likely happen; especially if we give up and let Dems have the presidency, without even a fight.

Regarding whining about the MSM destroying the Repub/Tea Party "brand", they will similarly dump on anything else they don't like. Since they are as I noted above, the hand puppets of leftists, anything other than rank socialism/marxism/racism/muzzie-ism and faggotism will be ignored and destroyed by them. So trying to get the MSM to be nice is a lost cause. And thus trying to go third party at this point would immediately ensure said third party to be trashed and destroyed by the MSM; thus an R party, Tea Party and any other party would all be destroyed by the MSM. The only way to counteract this - a strategy as I noted above and also copied below - is to get actual conservative Rs running for as many offices as possible, who are attack pit pulls and not whiny cry babies/RINOS/self serving creatures or typical elite professional politicians.

And even if a third party somehow becomes a viable option (say if the RINO GOP members refuses to let go their hold), then my strategy still applies. Character and principles and courage is what is needed, then the tactics will will appear as a result. Without the people with courage and principles, no strategy or tactics cooked up will ever change a thing.

I agree we need a different approach. A few thoughts:

1. Actual conservative candidates with courage and a unsurppressable fighting spirit who are willing to fight other Rs on conservative issues and any corruption.

2. Above candidates must be not only ready, willing and able but straining at the leash to attack the leftist MSM and take on election fraud.

3. State Rs need to go after election fraud with guts as someone mentioned above.

Basically no “tactic” will work other than real conservatives, with guts and fighting spirit. It’s a given that the MSM is nothing but the mouthpiece of hardcore leftists/thugs/Dems. So trying to make nice with them or cater to them is a losing tactic.

49 posted on 11/23/2012 12:14:20 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: BTCM

I agree with what you said except what do you mean about Bible Thumpers? You think anyone who believes in religious principles is a weakling, or that we should get rid of social conservatism, or something else?


50 posted on 11/23/2012 12:16:59 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson