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Obama's Looming Prostate Cancer Death Epidemic,; Technocrat Doctors Turn Against Patients
Sun Beam Times ^ | November 28, 2012 | Dr. David McKalip

Posted on 11/28/2012 3:40:44 PM PST by morphing libertarian

Prostate can deaths projected to increase. Restrictions on care and older population forming a perfect storm.

http://sunbeamtimes.com/2012/11/28/obamas-looming-prostate-cancer-death-epidemic-technocrat-doctors-turn-against-patients.aspx

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: cancer; obamacare; prostate
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There's plenty of graphics and text and I don't know how to post them all. Welcome help.

I've got 16 radiation treatments left, out of 40. My doctor says prognosis very good and probability of recurrence before I die of other causes is low.

My treatment bill is $70,000. Billed to me $9. Medicare and Blue Shield for supplement. May be getting in under the wire.

Welome other analysis and personal experiences.

Ping away.

1 posted on 11/28/2012 3:40:52 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

canCER deaths, sorry


2 posted on 11/28/2012 3:41:32 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

I think this is my first post, so fire away on technical comments. Also, I know....................spell check.


3 posted on 11/28/2012 3:42:42 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

nobamacare = stay healthy or die


4 posted on 11/28/2012 3:44:38 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: morphing libertarian

I wish there were a way to opt out so that you wouldn’t have to pay for my care and vice-versa.


5 posted on 11/28/2012 3:44:56 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush
I am a peace officer who had a heart attack. My health care is excellent and my wife is covered also. I don’t apologize, I contributed and left my pound of flesh on the job. Wife is retired PO also. We met in prison.

I think that OBCare will reduce my benefits, not sure to what extent. One thing they could say is 1 series of prostate radiation or nothing over age 75. Some type of restrictions coming.

My dad had prostate cancer at age 88 and took just the hormone shots which supposedly retard the growth.

He died at 91 of other causes.

6 posted on 11/28/2012 3:48:29 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

a lot of articles at this web site. First time I have been there.


7 posted on 11/28/2012 3:50:32 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

Good luck with your treatments.

My dad survived it (along with a LOT of other things). He was finally taken by old age...


8 posted on 11/28/2012 3:50:45 PM PST by moovova
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To: morphing libertarian

I have no problem with your private insurance, it is only the government portion that concerns me. What is my liability? How much do I owe you exactly?


9 posted on 11/28/2012 3:51:52 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: moovova

Thanx. Going well.

I’m at Scripps La Jolla (San Diego). New building and equipment. What used to be 35 minutes is now 5.

Sounds like my dad.

Best wishes!


10 posted on 11/28/2012 3:52:06 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: gorush

I’m not sure. But when I paid in, I was 25%. So yeah I was at the trough. Now it’s medicare and the blue shield I still pay about 25%.

So I’m benefitting about 75% on the payments. The cost: I wrestled 19 year old weightlifters and had the heart attack, was in the middle of a few riots. Add that to my part of the payments, but I’m sure I’m still ahead.

And yes, I was not forced to take the job. And many wouldn’t.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 3:55:46 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian
I've got 16 radiation treatments left, out of 40. My doctor says prognosis very good and probability of recurrence before I die of other causes is low.

My treatment bill is $70,000. Billed to me $9. Medicare and Blue Shield for supplement.

Great news and prayers for your full recovery.

12 posted on 11/28/2012 3:58:48 PM PST by Jean S
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To: morphing libertarian

I’m not sure either. I thought slavery was abolished, yet I am forced to work for others.
On a separate note, are you morphing toward or away from libertarianism?


13 posted on 11/28/2012 3:59:19 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Jean S

thanx


14 posted on 11/28/2012 3:59:59 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian
There is nothing in Obamacare, however bad it is, that prevents a person from paying for a prostate screen with his own money.

It might cost $70,000 to treat prostate cancer, but it has got to be a lot less to do a screening.

If cancer is found and the person is covered, then I imagine they would have the treatment covered.

How can someone calling himself a libertarian (morphing or otherwise) try to make a case for Medicare? Medicare is a ponzi scheme just like Social Security.

15 posted on 11/28/2012 3:59:59 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: morphing libertarian

Drink more water.


16 posted on 11/28/2012 4:01:01 PM PST by Domangart
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To: gorush
On a separate note, are you morphing toward or away from libertarianism?

Good question. My husband and I pay for our own insurance, $20,000 deductible each. I would love to get a medical bill for only $9.

17 posted on 11/28/2012 4:03:04 PM PST by Jean S
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I’m 66 shall I change my view now and disavow what I worked 30 years for and the benefit afforded me after a heart attack. Easy to talk now. I have what I have.

I took a job that many people didn’t want. The place was a hellhole when I hired in. I was much younger and toughed it out.

They could have dropped the bennies and let the inmates loose.

Yes, I am for and have been for private prisons. Not my fault Cal is controlled by public unions.


18 posted on 11/28/2012 4:03:25 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Domangart

On it. Get very tired most days.


19 posted on 11/28/2012 4:04:05 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Wasn’t making the case for medicare. Shall we cancel it and let the seniors sink or swim?


20 posted on 11/28/2012 4:05:10 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: gorush

Dropped out. Never could agree on pro-choice and position on national defense, too loose (Iran bomb).


21 posted on 11/28/2012 4:06:19 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

I use both private and VA services for health care. Had a PSA at the VA last week after they scheduled an appointment and called me to come in. My doctor mentioned this recommendation, but doesn’t agree with it. I guess they haven’t yet clamped down on all conscientious physicians within the VA and other health care provision where the government is invovled.


22 posted on 11/28/2012 4:09:41 PM PST by Will88
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To: morphing libertarian

Honestly, I think helping old white people die is all part of the plan.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 4:10:59 PM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81

LOL. Well, I’m in that catergory, the non-OB voters.


24 posted on 11/28/2012 4:11:57 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

My wife went for her yearly “woman” checkup today. The doctors told her that she was no longer eligible for a yearly papsmear. It is an every other year thing now for Medicare. They will not pay for it. My wife paid for it out of her pocket to get the checkup done. The lady cut it to the lowest payment possible by the doctor so that she could get it. The new Obamacare will not pay for these yearly routines now. This way, you get your disease and die so they no longer have to pay for anything for you.


25 posted on 11/28/2012 4:14:30 PM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Will88

Had about 3 PSAs a year and no problem. This summer had prostate surgery and the tissues were cancerous. Without the surgery wouldn’t know I had cancer.

Dr. says “Test doesn’t pick up all forms of cancer.” Now, they tell me.


26 posted on 11/28/2012 4:14:51 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: RetiredArmy

we’re all in it for the future.

Hope she’s clear!


27 posted on 11/28/2012 4:16:09 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

Glad you got in under the wire. My PSA is climbing and I’m 61. I almost want to get my prophylactic robot prostatectomy while I still can. I have Tricare prime but under recent changes I will be kicked to standard. My dad had radiation for his prostate cancer and died of heart disease at 86. Good luck with your treatment, I used to think I was immune but last PSA was over 5 and I’m waiting for a repeat to decide whether biopsy is next.


28 posted on 11/28/2012 4:17:15 PM PST by strongbow
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To: morphing libertarian

“doctors turn against patients”??

What does that mean?

Do you think they should be forced to work for free? Slaves?


29 posted on 11/28/2012 4:18:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: morphing libertarian

“Welcome other analysis and personal experiences.”

I’m 57. I did not have cancer, but I did have an enlarged prostate with severe urinary difficulties; urgency, weak stream, etc. The treatment I had was originally developed to treat cancer. I don’t know if it is licensed to treat cancer by the FDA.
I had a single treatment of audio frequency radiation in a doctor’s office. It shrank my prostate about 80%. The way it works is: cancer cells propagate like mad and they don’t always make new veins and arteries, which provide cooling. A cell can survive many, many cells away from a vein or artery because of oxygen diffusion. The air contains 20% oxygen, which about what a cell next to an artery sees. Cells only need a few percent to survive and multiply.
The treatment “antenna” is inserted down the penis’ shaft and it is cooled. A thermometer is inserted in the prostate and the power is turned on. It feels HOT. The cancerous cells aren’t getting the same cooling as the cells next to arteries and veins. They cook. Over time the body absorbs them.
The equipment is very expensive and you can only get this treatment in big cities with significant older populations. All the local doctors were still doing full prostate removal, which was what two doctors said they’d do. Neither offered or mentioned the audio radiation treatment. When I asked they said they didn’t think it would give good results. I drove 300 miles and stayed in St. Pete, Florida for two weeks to have the procedure there.
I could not be happier. I can ride four hours in a car and not even think about the need to void. All other prostate functions, except (ah-hem…) volume, remain the same.
It took about three office visits to do the requisite tests. The procedure itself takes only 20 minutes, is done in the office and the only drugs are oral low-dose pain medications. Recovery takes a week, but I had it done over Christmas and the office was closed so I wore a catheter for two weeks instead of one.


30 posted on 11/28/2012 4:19:33 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: morphing libertarian

Well, how was it determined that you needed surgery? I guess other symptoms, or a digital exam.


31 posted on 11/28/2012 4:20:01 PM PST by Will88
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To: Will88

Unable to urinate tissue removed to release pressure so urine could flow out of the bladder. Tissue was biopsied.


32 posted on 11/28/2012 4:22:38 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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33 posted on 11/28/2012 4:23:21 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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Well, I'll probably get flamed for this, but screening is not always the economical solution it first appears.

Imagine that screening, say, 10 million men each year costs $450 million annually ($45 each). But treatment for those who actually do contract the disease is projected to cost a quarter billion ($250 million).

It would be a waste of money to continue to pay for the tests.

Now, I do not want to be accused of supporting "Obamacare". Don't even try it. And there is nothing in this article that suggests that you can't pay for the PSA test yourself -- it's cheap, I do it each year. But if we're going to try to control health care costs, this is not the example to use.

34 posted on 11/28/2012 4:25:42 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: RetiredArmy
My bailiwick. Government regulations to the health insurance companies are NO Pap smears covered after age 65 unless the woman has symptoms. Trust me, if a woman has symptoms (bleeding, etc) she is already in bad shape. The reason women over age 65 survive gyn cancers is because the abnormal cells shed BEFORE THERE ARE VISIBLE SYMPTOMS. But, after age 65, a woman is no longer paying into the system so she is treated differently.
35 posted on 11/28/2012 4:26:10 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Gen.Blather

Thanx. never heard of it. I’ll ask my urologist about it.

See my 32. I had a catheter on and off (mostly on) for 5 weeks. Finally 2 weeks after the surgery, I could urinate like a race horse. But the tissue had cancer.

I’ll say one thing about the catheter, urinate as frequently as you want. In fact, continuously. Empty the bag a few times a day and watch long movies without intermission.


36 posted on 11/28/2012 4:27:17 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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"Wasn’t making the case for medicare. Shall we cancel it and let the seniors sink or swim?"

Yes! Not doing so will destroy (has destroyed) our entire culture and economy.

37 posted on 11/28/2012 4:27:52 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: BfloGuy

Thanx for the comment. Good point about test costs.

I wonder how much the PSA is when done in conjunction with other blood tests cholesterol, sugar etc?

If it doesn’t get all cancers, why don’t they just do the digit in the office. 5-7 seconds in and done.


38 posted on 11/28/2012 4:29:54 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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My brother-in-law in Britain, age 61, has been told he doesn't need prostate screening because ‘younger men are overtreated’. His father and his grandfather both died from prostate cancer in their 70’s. But he gets no screenings. Glad you are getting treatment, in the future it is unlikely that will be happening for men in their 60s.
39 posted on 11/28/2012 4:32:28 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Domangart
Drink more water.

Have more sex! It's good for the prostate.

40 posted on 11/28/2012 4:33:01 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: gorush

I think it’s good to do everything on the backs of seniors. Too many of us and the costs can only get higher.

I think we could decimate seniors every 30 days and get rid of the impact of the baby boom.

Unfortunately when I was younger I was not as smart as you and I paid into these programs. Now that I’m 66 I rely on them to live.

Smart too late!


41 posted on 11/28/2012 4:33:07 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: GeronL

Yeah they should all be my slaves.

My reading is that doctors on the review panels will not have the patients best interest in mind.

May I refer you to the death panel threads. I’m not an expert on OBcare or the current system for that matter.


42 posted on 11/28/2012 4:35:30 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: DallasDeb

LOL. Deb, do I need to get a note?


43 posted on 11/28/2012 4:36:14 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: originalbuckeye

look at the earlier post. Screening may be as experience as treatment. Looks like we’ll have to catch a symptom early to get to the treatment process.

I am certainly benefiting from the “old” system.


44 posted on 11/28/2012 4:38:05 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

Those doctors will be apparatchiks.

Remember that the medical community under the NAZI’s were only too happy to conduct killing off undesirables for the regime.


45 posted on 11/28/2012 4:38:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: morphing libertarian

At a clinic here in Louisville,Ky they have already dropped cancer patients because medicare has deemed them terminal. This came from a nurse that worked there.


46 posted on 11/28/2012 4:40:06 PM PST by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home.....)
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To: morphing libertarian

In January I’ll be 5 years post-op for pancreatic cancer and in March it will be my 3 year anniversary for prostate cancer surgery. I have a few other issues as well.(Agent Orange did a pretty good job on me.) If 0bamacare had started 6 years ago I have no doubt I’d be dead now.


47 posted on 11/28/2012 4:41:07 PM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: KYGrandma

Ouch!


48 posted on 11/28/2012 4:41:22 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: KYGrandma

PS: My prognosis is very good because all of the cancer is inside the prostate.

My understand is the general rule is the earlier to diagnosis the better chance of remission.


49 posted on 11/28/2012 4:43:20 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Jaxter

May God bless you.

I had a friend at work who was exposed and probably died from it. Was in his late 30s. They were still trying to get the government to acknowledge the effects.

I have a few issues too. My aforementioned heart attack and diabetes (totally my fault). The doctors at Scripps have a lottery pool to see what gets me first and when. I think prostate is the least likely.


50 posted on 11/28/2012 4:46:04 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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