Skip to comments.Obama's Looming Prostate Cancer Death Epidemic,; Technocrat Doctors Turn Against Patients
Posted on 11/28/2012 3:40:44 PM PST by morphing libertarian
Prostate can deaths projected to increase. Restrictions on care and older population forming a perfect storm.
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I've got 16 radiation treatments left, out of 40. My doctor says prognosis very good and probability of recurrence before I die of other causes is low.
My treatment bill is $70,000. Billed to me $9. Medicare and Blue Shield for supplement. May be getting in under the wire.
Welome other analysis and personal experiences.
canCER deaths, sorry
I think this is my first post, so fire away on technical comments. Also, I know....................spell check.
nobamacare = stay healthy or die
I wish there were a way to opt out so that you wouldn’t have to pay for my care and vice-versa.
I think that OBCare will reduce my benefits, not sure to what extent. One thing they could say is 1 series of prostate radiation or nothing over age 75. Some type of restrictions coming.
My dad had prostate cancer at age 88 and took just the hormone shots which supposedly retard the growth.
He died at 91 of other causes.
a lot of articles at this web site. First time I have been there.
Good luck with your treatments.
My dad survived it (along with a LOT of other things). He was finally taken by old age...
I have no problem with your private insurance, it is only the government portion that concerns me. What is my liability? How much do I owe you exactly?
Thanx. Going well.
I’m at Scripps La Jolla (San Diego). New building and equipment. What used to be 35 minutes is now 5.
Sounds like my dad.
I’m not sure. But when I paid in, I was 25%. So yeah I was at the trough. Now it’s medicare and the blue shield I still pay about 25%.
So I’m benefitting about 75% on the payments. The cost: I wrestled 19 year old weightlifters and had the heart attack, was in the middle of a few riots. Add that to my part of the payments, but I’m sure I’m still ahead.
And yes, I was not forced to take the job. And many wouldn’t.
My treatment bill is $70,000. Billed to me $9. Medicare and Blue Shield for supplement.
Great news and prayers for your full recovery.
I’m not sure either. I thought slavery was abolished, yet I am forced to work for others.
On a separate note, are you morphing toward or away from libertarianism?
It might cost $70,000 to treat prostate cancer, but it has got to be a lot less to do a screening.
If cancer is found and the person is covered, then I imagine they would have the treatment covered.
How can someone calling himself a libertarian (morphing or otherwise) try to make a case for Medicare? Medicare is a ponzi scheme just like Social Security.
Drink more water.
Good question. My husband and I pay for our own insurance, $20,000 deductible each. I would love to get a medical bill for only $9.
I’m 66 shall I change my view now and disavow what I worked 30 years for and the benefit afforded me after a heart attack. Easy to talk now. I have what I have.
I took a job that many people didn’t want. The place was a hellhole when I hired in. I was much younger and toughed it out.
They could have dropped the bennies and let the inmates loose.
Yes, I am for and have been for private prisons. Not my fault Cal is controlled by public unions.
On it. Get very tired most days.
Wasn’t making the case for medicare. Shall we cancel it and let the seniors sink or swim?
Dropped out. Never could agree on pro-choice and position on national defense, too loose (Iran bomb).
I use both private and VA services for health care. Had a PSA at the VA last week after they scheduled an appointment and called me to come in. My doctor mentioned this recommendation, but doesn’t agree with it. I guess they haven’t yet clamped down on all conscientious physicians within the VA and other health care provision where the government is invovled.
Honestly, I think helping old white people die is all part of the plan.
LOL. Well, I’m in that catergory, the non-OB voters.
My wife went for her yearly “woman” checkup today. The doctors told her that she was no longer eligible for a yearly papsmear. It is an every other year thing now for Medicare. They will not pay for it. My wife paid for it out of her pocket to get the checkup done. The lady cut it to the lowest payment possible by the doctor so that she could get it. The new Obamacare will not pay for these yearly routines now. This way, you get your disease and die so they no longer have to pay for anything for you.
Had about 3 PSAs a year and no problem. This summer had prostate surgery and the tissues were cancerous. Without the surgery wouldn’t know I had cancer.
Dr. says “Test doesn’t pick up all forms of cancer.” Now, they tell me.
we’re all in it for the future.
Hope she’s clear!
Glad you got in under the wire. My PSA is climbing and I’m 61. I almost want to get my prophylactic robot prostatectomy while I still can. I have Tricare prime but under recent changes I will be kicked to standard. My dad had radiation for his prostate cancer and died of heart disease at 86. Good luck with your treatment, I used to think I was immune but last PSA was over 5 and I’m waiting for a repeat to decide whether biopsy is next.
“doctors turn against patients”??
What does that mean?
Do you think they should be forced to work for free? Slaves?
Welcome other analysis and personal experiences.
Im 57. I did not have cancer, but I did have an enlarged prostate with severe urinary difficulties; urgency, weak stream, etc. The treatment I had was originally developed to treat cancer. I dont know if it is licensed to treat cancer by the FDA.
I had a single treatment of audio frequency radiation in a doctors office. It shrank my prostate about 80%. The way it works is: cancer cells propagate like mad and they dont always make new veins and arteries, which provide cooling. A cell can survive many, many cells away from a vein or artery because of oxygen diffusion. The air contains 20% oxygen, which about what a cell next to an artery sees. Cells only need a few percent to survive and multiply.
The treatment antenna is inserted down the penis shaft and it is cooled. A thermometer is inserted in the prostate and the power is turned on. It feels HOT. The cancerous cells arent getting the same cooling as the cells next to arteries and veins. They cook. Over time the body absorbs them.
The equipment is very expensive and you can only get this treatment in big cities with significant older populations. All the local doctors were still doing full prostate removal, which was what two doctors said theyd do. Neither offered or mentioned the audio radiation treatment. When I asked they said they didnt think it would give good results. I drove 300 miles and stayed in St. Pete, Florida for two weeks to have the procedure there.
I could not be happier. I can ride four hours in a car and not even think about the need to void. All other prostate functions, except (ah-hem ) volume, remain the same.
It took about three office visits to do the requisite tests. The procedure itself takes only 20 minutes, is done in the office and the only drugs are oral low-dose pain medications. Recovery takes a week, but I had it done over Christmas and the office was closed so I wore a catheter for two weeks instead of one.
Well, how was it determined that you needed surgery? I guess other symptoms, or a digital exam.
Unable to urinate tissue removed to release pressure so urine could flow out of the bladder. Tissue was biopsied.
Imagine that screening, say, 10 million men each year costs $450 million annually ($45 each). But treatment for those who actually do contract the disease is projected to cost a quarter billion ($250 million).
It would be a waste of money to continue to pay for the tests.
Now, I do not want to be accused of supporting "Obamacare". Don't even try it. And there is nothing in this article that suggests that you can't pay for the PSA test yourself -- it's cheap, I do it each year. But if we're going to try to control health care costs, this is not the example to use.
Thanx. never heard of it. I’ll ask my urologist about it.
See my 32. I had a catheter on and off (mostly on) for 5 weeks. Finally 2 weeks after the surgery, I could urinate like a race horse. But the tissue had cancer.
I’ll say one thing about the catheter, urinate as frequently as you want. In fact, continuously. Empty the bag a few times a day and watch long movies without intermission.
Yes! Not doing so will destroy (has destroyed) our entire culture and economy.
Thanx for the comment. Good point about test costs.
I wonder how much the PSA is when done in conjunction with other blood tests cholesterol, sugar etc?
If it doesn’t get all cancers, why don’t they just do the digit in the office. 5-7 seconds in and done.
Have more sex! It's good for the prostate.
I think it’s good to do everything on the backs of seniors. Too many of us and the costs can only get higher.
I think we could decimate seniors every 30 days and get rid of the impact of the baby boom.
Unfortunately when I was younger I was not as smart as you and I paid into these programs. Now that I’m 66 I rely on them to live.
Smart too late!
Yeah they should all be my slaves.
My reading is that doctors on the review panels will not have the patients best interest in mind.
May I refer you to the death panel threads. I’m not an expert on OBcare or the current system for that matter.
LOL. Deb, do I need to get a note?
look at the earlier post. Screening may be as experience as treatment. Looks like we’ll have to catch a symptom early to get to the treatment process.
I am certainly benefiting from the “old” system.
Those doctors will be apparatchiks.
Remember that the medical community under the NAZI’s were only too happy to conduct killing off undesirables for the regime.
At a clinic here in Louisville,Ky they have already dropped cancer patients because medicare has deemed them terminal. This came from a nurse that worked there.
In January I’ll be 5 years post-op for pancreatic cancer and in March it will be my 3 year anniversary for prostate cancer surgery. I have a few other issues as well.(Agent Orange did a pretty good job on me.) If 0bamacare had started 6 years ago I have no doubt I’d be dead now.
PS: My prognosis is very good because all of the cancer is inside the prostate.
My understand is the general rule is the earlier to diagnosis the better chance of remission.
May God bless you.
I had a friend at work who was exposed and probably died from it. Was in his late 30s. They were still trying to get the government to acknowledge the effects.
I have a few issues too. My aforementioned heart attack and diabetes (totally my fault). The doctors at Scripps have a lottery pool to see what gets me first and when. I think prostate is the least likely.