Posted on 12/08/2012 8:13:39 AM PST by kreitzer
The GOP-e was shaken by the Tea Partyers a couple years back, but fought back and succeeded in pushing the Tea Partyers/Palin backers out of the convention and nominating their man Romney. But the Tea Partyers had some success, like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Who's to say a few well placed Birther candidates couldn't have some success? If we could field a few Birther candidates who promise to make the ineligibility of the current Commander-in-Chief a central issue, even if only one of them gets through the system it will be a 100% gain for conservatives. Simply focus on what the Founders meant by the term 'natural born citizen.' They would have to primary in Republican races in deep red districts to have a chance. This is achievable and 2014 will be here soon. I know I would donate to that candidate. It's time to start now!
We are hopelessly entangled in
infringements.
Guess what the Birther candidates is going lose.. The Tea Party candidates has a 50% chance of winning. I like those odds..
Not trying to be negative or anything but a lot of people that would have voted GOP otherwise did not because of the pro-life stand on abortion. Several people actually told me they didn’t vote GOP for that reason that would have if the abortion issue had not come up. I am like everybody here that support pro-life stands against abortion but if the GOP wants to win they will have to stop talking about social issues like this.
Another reason we couldn’t win is that people were more concerned about money than they were the state of the country. You had the entitlement class such as Welfare leeches. If the Welfare get-something-for-nothing class gets any hint that their checks are in jeopardy they will never vote GOP. We also had the elderly. The elderly are entitled IMO to their benefits because they paid in and should get their checks long before the Welfare group. Elderly people that worked their entire lives should never be put out in the cold. At least they contributed to society. Most of them voted Democrat because of that. They were conned by the Democrats into believing that we would stop their benefits.
The country has gone so far down the toilet that the majority can’t tell the difference between right and wrong anymore. I’m not sure a conservative with moral values will ever win again because of the moral state of the majority.
If Romney, being a moderate, couldn’t win because his VP was pro-life, how can we expect a conservative win?
Yea, um, I defer to the Supreme Court on that one. Methinks they got more say on precedent than Mark Levin. From Minor vs. Happersett:
“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
>>> With due respect what makes you think, and where are your credentials, that your opinions on who is a Natural Born Citizen is the correct interpretation?
His credentials are not only irrelevant, but unnecessary.
Congress tested John McCain’s eligibility status in 2008 with a very specific 2 part test... Place of birth AND citizenship of BOTH parents.
The reason congress called into question McCain’s eligibility was due to concerns over whether or not the place he was born in Panama was considered US Soil or not.
So why then did they also question the citizenship of both his parents?
Point being, CONGRESS (specifically democrats) already KNOW the correct definition and application of NBC.
Your defense of us not applying the same standards to Obama, in light of the FACT that we now have a legal investigation by Joe Arpaio concluding that Obama’s online BC is a forgery, seriously calls into question your motives.
Well, we had a birther candidate (Trump) but he chickened out. It will take someone who is willing to risk losing, because in the end, most candidates lose.
Um ... just about anybody ... so long as you're talking about offices higher than county clerk ...
Add up the voters who go Democrat anyway, those who aren't going to be swayed by birtherism, those who are going to actively be turned off, and those who are going to be turned off by the other opinions such candidates will probably voice, and you can pretty much expect to lose.
Hey, how about some Truther candidates too? Maybe some candidates who think the moon landing was faked for good measure.
It’s a definition. What’s yours? Or what’s that of the credentialed Mark Levin? And what’s it based on?
Are you kidding? This is a sure fire way to lose an election. Birtherism is a fringe idea on the Right, much like Trutherism on the Left. Conservatives let out a collective groan when we’re checking our email, and crazy Uncle so-and-so has forwarded us an email about this stuff. Obama is in; he’s not getting removed on loopholes. The only way to win is ideas.
We need X-Mil vets returning from Sandpile who have a grudge against the Traitor-in-Chief.
They have experience in dealing with Quisling Muzzies.
Absolutely not. This is a fringe, silly, issue. No, no and no again. Let the GOP be relegated to the dustbin of history but NOT Conservatism. This will kill Conservatism faster than Boehner is trying to. Give us Tea Party candidates, not Orly “I’m a nut” Taitz candidates.
Good grief.
“If we could field a few Birther candidates who promise to make the ineligibility of the current Commander-in-Chief a central issue, even if only one of them gets through the system it will be a 100% gain for conservatives.”
Huh? Is Hussein going for a third term in 2016? Hillary is a NBC as far as I know, and I don’t see any other Demonrat illegals or foreigners eyeing up a run in 2016. If zero runs in 2016, we need a right-wing coup d’état, and that being said, we probably need a coup before 2016.
“If Romney, being a moderate, couldn’t win because his VP was pro-life, how can we expect a conservative win?”
Romney did not win precisely because he was a lefty- he offered no real distinction between himself and President Zero. If there had been a choice instead of an echo, then maybe things would have been different.
“if the GOP wants to win they will have to stop talking about social issues like this.”
Those are the fundamental right-and-wrong issues. Those are the sort of issues where it is not enough to say “I support x or y”- you have decide whether or not it is important enough to kill over x or y. If those issues are conceded, then any GOP ‘victory’ is anything but. An open sewer is still an open sewer even if its checkbook balances. There are some things more important than money, power, political expediency, or even personal safety.
“we probably need a coup before 2016.”
Today sounds about right. Actually, it should have been January 2009.
It seems no one has the stones for it anymore and would rather watch football or text on their IPhone. The rest of the world laughs at us. We are so pathetic and weak. The military would rather fight middle east savages than the domestic enemies running/ruining our country. I am very afraid for my children.
I agree with your second paragraph but if you can’t get the votes there is nothing to compromise. Get the votes and make changes after from the inside. Don’t lie, just avoid those issues. If you can’t win the immoral women and the elderly you will continue to lose. Minorities will always vote for the side that will give them handouts. Personally, I believe that abortion is murder but apparently the majority of women don’t. The GOP will forever lose those votes because the immoral left just plain don’t give a d**n.
Like I said, this country has tipped to the dark side. If the conservatives can’t win they can’t make changes.
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