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Is Norton™ Online Backup a good backup system?
self | 12/9/2012 | self

Posted on 12/09/2012 10:02:54 AM PST by Grampa Dave

Recently I had a problem with Comcast's cloud backup.

Then, I went to MyPC Backup Premium, and I started a year of their Premium program.

Everything appeared to go well until this past week. I couldn't back up my files, and the system wanted me to go into a new package.

Finally, after several days, I got a response re what to do, and it didn't work. I went on line and checked out their ratings. Once you got past the bs, there appeared to be a lot of people having similiar problems as I had.

I really don't want the hassle of using a stand by hard disk, nor do I want the hassle of dealing with a so called cloud system with a lot of problems.

So how does Norton™ Online Backup stack up. I don't have a lot stuff to store, and I want the backup stuff there when I need it after easy backup storage by me.

Thanks


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: backup; diskimage; onlinebackup; pcbackup; tech; usb
I need help re an selecting a reliable/simple online backup system that will not break the my budget.
1 posted on 12/09/2012 10:03:00 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ernest, what do you suggest?


2 posted on 12/09/2012 10:04:01 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Get yourself a usb harddrive and run periodically run it.

It is fast, a one time fee — drive ~ $80 for ample disk space (1TB).

I'd guess that you would be protected with the online service if your house burned down. But the connection to the Internet is going to be slow. Much slower than a local harddrive.

3 posted on 12/09/2012 10:22:07 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Grampa Dave

I purchased a Seagate external drive and back up my computer every night. I tried one of the Patriot Radio shill brands, Carbonite, and it sucked.


4 posted on 12/09/2012 10:23:13 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: Grampa Dave

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STBV3000100/dp/B00834SJU8/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1355077377&sr=1-2


5 posted on 12/09/2012 10:28:53 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Grampa Dave
www.crashplan.com

It has both a paid plan and a free option where you can back your computer up to another internet connected computer. i.e. your work computer, a family or friends computer, etc.

6 posted on 12/09/2012 10:33:42 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: Grampa Dave

... an “offsite” backup is good if you think your home is vulnerable to fire, weather or theft.

crashplan is good and I have been running it for over a year


7 posted on 12/09/2012 10:36:24 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: dhs12345; Grampa Dave
Get yourself a usb harddrive and run periodically run it.

Sage advise.

Might I also suggest a copy of Acronis True Image or comparable software to go along with it?

Saved my butt on more than one occasion.

8 posted on 12/09/2012 10:38:21 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Grampa Dave

Crashplan.com

You’ll wish you’d used it earlier.


9 posted on 12/09/2012 10:47:20 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Buy a NAS - Like a USB hard drive, only attached to your router... Always on... then go DL Cobian Backup and you will be set.

Note that it is always a good idea to periodically back up to a separate USB hard drive, connected only for that purpose, and disconnected (and unplugged) thereafter.

10 posted on 12/09/2012 10:47:46 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

How long does a USB last? I have a USB loaded with some pictures that’s been sitting on the shelf next to my speaker for a couple of years.


11 posted on 12/09/2012 10:51:48 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Grampa Dave
I stopped using "Norton" products years ago. When they were bought by Symantec, the product line suffered from Symantec trying to wring every penny out of every line of code.

Basically, they were charging Ferrari prices for Model T performance.

They're off my radar, and I'd really have to be desperate to reconsider the brand.

Maybe they got religion, and instituted a yearly development cycle that keeps up with technology and methods.

I use a USB Drive, and DVD the really important stuff as well.

As people have pointed out, a 1T USB drive can be had for $80. It comes with basic but configurable auto backup software.

And as it has been pointed out, you do lose the off premises redundancy of a cloud-based service.

But, backups are only good if you can retrieve what was backed up.

I guess you can hermetically seal the USB drive in a mayonnaise jar and store it on Funk and Wagnalls porch for safety.

12 posted on 12/09/2012 10:55:02 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Sounds like good software. The usb drives these days come with backup software that runs in the background. A resource hog. Always on the top of the list in Task Manager.

A separate app is better in my opinion. Requires maintenance, though.

Bottom line: few people back up and then panic when their harddrive crashes.

13 posted on 12/09/2012 10:55:24 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Grampa Dave
I suggest you buy an external drive like Western Digital My Passport Elite 500 GB USB 2.0 and then buy Norton Ghost,
then you can have your backups at home, with you.
14 posted on 12/09/2012 10:59:07 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Lancey Howard
USB flash drive or USB hard drive? Flash drives are supposed to be good for 10 years. At least that was the guarantee for the individual flash chip. There was a limited number of writes too. Probably well below anything seen in a backup.

Hard drives will last longer as long as they are not running 24/7.

DVD media has a shelf life, too depending on where it is stored. It is susceptible to higher temperatures and UV. A dark cool place is best.

Any valuable backup must be checked refreshed periodically.

15 posted on 12/09/2012 11:02:34 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Grampa Dave

For less than the cost of a year of cloud service, one can get a USB disk drive.

I have always been leary of cloud services. Too many times in the past, Yahoo, Microsoft and similar on-line services have changed or ceased some services. I ended up losing data, because sometimes they didn’t announce what they were doing.


16 posted on 12/09/2012 11:06:53 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Grampa Dave

A local backup to an external drive is fine but it does not protect against disasters like fire since the computer and backup are in the same location.

If you feel that you have objects that must be recoverable, such as pictures, then a cloud solution needs to be examined.

I have used carbonite for two years and it works fine. I can access the files online from another computer as well. I have heard good things about mozy as well. There are others.

Usually, if you sign up with one of these companies, you can get two months free by using some radion hosts name as a promotion code.


17 posted on 12/09/2012 11:12:51 AM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Grampa Dave

I never had anything but problems with Norton’s and will never use them again for anything.


18 posted on 12/09/2012 11:21:11 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: CriticalJ

Carbonite lost my business when they listened to a bunch of leftist non-customers and made a big production out of removing ads from Limbaugh because of the Fluke business.


19 posted on 12/09/2012 11:25:56 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: CriticalJ

You can get “hardened” external drives that are fire and water proof. I think LaCie makes one.


20 posted on 12/09/2012 11:30:01 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: NewHampshireDuo

I should have added - I just got a 2 TB portable external HD that’s a bit bigger than a pack of cigarettes. I use a regular external drive for my periodic backups but I plan to do monthly backups on the small form factor drive and keep it in the gun safe.


21 posted on 12/09/2012 11:34:01 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Grampa Dave

I have been using Cobian Backup and an external drive locally.


22 posted on 12/09/2012 11:38:47 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: dhs12345
Bottom line: few people back up and then panic when their harddrive crashes.

LOL...truth!

Acronis is nice because it's an image of your entire drive. If you should have a failure you can duplicate it on another new drive in about an hour or so.

That includes the OS, all progarams and files....just like it never happened!

I'd swear by it, very inexpensive too: Acronis software- Google

23 posted on 12/09/2012 11:59:07 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: dhs12345

That’s the advice I would have given. I back up system once a month onto a USB drive. Special Docs I’ll make a thumbwheel copy just in case. MY HD is 250GB the backup using Windows Back up takes about an hour.


24 posted on 12/09/2012 12:01:27 PM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Grampa Dave

For the cost of backup media, it doesn’t pay to use the cloud. Buy a decent desktop hard drive and use it to backup your media.


25 posted on 12/09/2012 12:18:57 PM PST by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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To: Lancey Howard
How long does a USB last? I have a USB loaded with some pictures that’s been sitting on the shelf next to my speaker for a couple of years.

That depends entirely on use and conditions... Hoefully the new SSD drives (no moving parts) will solve some of that uncertainty...

However... Duplication is the answer. You should always have your critical data backed up in AT LEAST TWO places... TWO devices... And the more the merrier. Even a well-kept DVD or CD has a shelf life.

That is one of the reasons why I like the NAS + USB scenario... It is unlikely that you would lose BOTH devices at the same time (providing the USB is off-line and unplugged) and if one fails, one doesn't lose data... And prompt replacement of the failed device assures continued data security.

I have a programmer friend, and outside of my local backup, I have access to his local server for backup purposes by way of FTP (and he has access to mine). Since he is in Illinois and I am in Montana, barring the apocalypse, we are very backed up not only locally, but afar too, and all within a tightly controlled environment (like cloud, but not cloud...)

26 posted on 12/09/2012 12:38:22 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“Carbonite lost my business when they listened to a bunch of leftist non-customers and made a big production out of removing ads from Limbaugh because of the Fluke business.”

I understand.

However, if I boycotted everyone who supported leftists, I wouldn’t be able to leave my home. Hell, from what I understand, Walmart has jumped on the leftist bandwagon.

Anyway, there are other companies that may not have such leftist tendencies. Carbonite is just an option that works for me.


27 posted on 12/09/2012 12:42:01 PM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

“You can get ‘hardened; external drives that are fire and water proof. I think LaCie makes one.”

That’s an option for sure. Two things:

1. The expense is much greater. Just a brief search shows that a 3TB costs 400+.
2. Is anything really fire proof and or water proof?


28 posted on 12/09/2012 12:48:19 PM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Grampa Dave

Stay away from Norton...Bad for computers.


29 posted on 12/09/2012 12:56:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lancey Howard
How long does a USB last? I have a USB loaded with some pictures that’s been sitting on the shelf next to my speaker for a couple of years.

How are you defining USB?

If you mean a USB flash drive, the answer is virtually forever. Flash drives use silicon chips for storage and are not susceptible to magnetic interference.

If you mean a hard drive connected via USB, I wouldn't trust it more than five years. And hard drives are susceptible to magnetic interference like that coming from a loud speaker.

FWIW, I have seen flash drives go through the laundry (wash & dry) and still work.

30 posted on 12/09/2012 1:07:19 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: upchuck; Grampa Dave
You bet...Forget the hard drives, external or what ever. Waste of money.

Get the USB flash drive...You can put massive amount of stuff on them and they are small and really cheap...Put it in your pocket and take it with ya.

31 posted on 12/09/2012 1:23:15 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Grampa Dave

1. I use the old DOS command Xcopy to copy my files to an external hard drive on a daily basis. Xcopy has some advantages:
- It can verify the copy, guaranteeing the copy and the original are identical.
- The copy it makes is native. You don’t need special software (like with Acronis, etc.) to interpret it.
- The commands can be put in a text file with a .bat (batch command) extension. Double click on the file and the commands run.

Xcopy has one big disadvantage: It will keep only the latest version of a file. If you need to keep several versions of a file, Xcopy is not for you.

2. I use these same commands to back up to another USB hard drive I keep in my vehicle. Instant offsite storage.

3. On a weekly basis, I use the free Todo backup program (http://www.todo-backup.com/products/home/download.htm) to make an exact clone of my C: drive. When, not if, but when, that drive crashes I can replace it with the clone in a matter of minutes. Saves hours and hours of reinstalling the OS and reloading all the software, assuming you can find the installation file. The clone is also kept off site.

This is just an overview of backup procedures I use.


32 posted on 12/09/2012 1:25:54 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Clicking on the Keyword “backup” (just above Reply #1) will bring up a list of previous FR articles on this topic.


33 posted on 12/09/2012 3:12:44 PM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Grampa Dave
Everything they told you about norton is old news, there were problems, but if you were knowledgeable about the internals of windows they were fixable, norton is fine. That said belt and suspenders is the way to go. Norton360 give you 5 or 25gb of online backup space(as well as the AV malware and system utilities. (you can buy more) A usb 1-2TB drive is a good investment. Take a look at your router, does it have a USB port in the back. The way to go is upgrade your router to a gigabit 802.11a/b/g/n with 1 or 2 usb ports, if your’s doesn't have it($100ish) Then let norton do the backup to both the online and usb disk. For other things you want to manually backup you can get microsoft’s hotmail/live now called outlook. It gives you 5gb of online space(free more purchasable). Then you can get another 5gb free from google. So put stuff you don't need often but want to keep on MS and google with a very good password, set a reminder to visit your email 1x/month to keep the account active. Make sure to write down your passwords. I don't know about google but MS’s skydrive lets you send a link to people to share the data, so its perfect for pic to share(guests can view, download but not change)

That should do for most everything you need.

34 posted on 12/09/2012 3:13:57 PM PST by waynesa98
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To: roamer_1
Note that it is always a good idea to periodically back up to a separate USB hard drive, connected only for that purpose, and disconnected (and unplugged) thereafter.

If your data is valuable then buy two USB hard drives and alternate them. Apply label stickers to them dating the backups. Store the newest copy in a friend's or relative's fireproof safe or a safe deposit box and swap them out on a schedule or when convenient. I used to store the latest copy in my BIL's gun safe. My SIL would come visit my FIL weekly and act as a courier. Simple, secure, inexpensive.

35 posted on 12/09/2012 4:19:05 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Grampa Dave

ping


36 posted on 12/09/2012 4:19:53 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: roamer_1
That is one of the reasons why I like the NAS + USB scenario

With the NAS use the kind with dual hard drives and RAID 1. Combined with swapping USB drives stored off site and you're pretty much bullet prove.

37 posted on 12/09/2012 4:23:40 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Jeff Chandler

proof


38 posted on 12/09/2012 6:16:10 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Grampa Dave

IMHO: Backup should ALWAYS be off site.


39 posted on 12/09/2012 8:17:12 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Wow. That isn’t bad. I am running a RAID NAS network drive and have a usb drive for periodic backups.

I was able to afford it back when I was rich. :)

It is completely automated and sends me an email when the back up is done.

I remind everyone in the family to save all important files to the network drive.


40 posted on 12/12/2012 4:03:15 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: upchuck
Ah, xcopy. And robocopy. We use it a lot here at work.
41 posted on 12/12/2012 4:05:15 PM PST by dhs12345
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