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Senator Tom Coburn Calls For GOP To Agree To Tax Hikes
Political Realities ^ | 12/12/12 | LD Jackson

Posted on 12/12/2012 4:51:59 AM PST by LD Jackson

Tom CoburnSenator Tom Coburn, R-OK, has long been a voice of reason in the United States Senate. He was the same voice of reason in the House of Representatives, causing Speaker Newt Gingrich major headaches by not going along to get along. He has long been advocating a balanced approach to reducing the national debt and the deficit and it is worth mentioning that Coburn's approach is much more balanced than the proposals President Obama and the liberal Democrats have put forth.

Coburn is called Dr. No in the Senate for a reason. The number of bills he has blocked because they contain wasteful spending can not be counted. He believes in cutting the size of government and he is not bashful about calling his fellow Senators to task for failing to get that done. Democrats and Republicans alike have felt his scorn for their lackadaisical approach to their jobs. It is worth noting now that Coburn is no longer being silent on the issue of the fiscal cliff. As usual, he is not following the expected party line, but neither is he giving Democrats a pass. He says we have to raise new revenues and he would rather see that done by raising tax rates on the wealthy, instead of trying to cap deductions. At the same time, Coburn says raising taxes isn't something he wants to see happen, but is something he feels has to be done. It is not avoidable, but should also be accompanied by cuts in spending.

(Politico) In an interview, Coburn said the GOP should swallow hard and accept a smaller tax hike that would have the least effect on the economy. Without a deal, he warned, it’s “inevitable” all Americans will face an increase to their income tax rates when the 2001 and 2003 George W. Bush tax cuts expire Dec. 31.

And polls show Republicans would shoulder most of the blame if the two sides fail to strike a deal.

“I’m for raising revenue because we have to — it’s not because we should but because we have to,” Coburn told POLITICO. Republicans can say they refuse to support any tax hikes, “but it’s still going to happen. That’s what the law is.”

Last week, Coburn acknowledged on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that Republicans “have to raise revenue” and that he preferred that rates go up for families making more than $250,000 rather than capping deductions. On Sunday, he told ABC’s “This Week” that he was willing to accept a tax increase as part of a deal to solve the nation’s debt crisis.

A lot of people may believe Senator Coburn has gone off the deep end and is siding with the Democrats, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I am not a fan of raising taxes and have said repeatedly that the GOP leadership should draw a line in the sand and refuse to raise taxes, unless those tax increased are accompanied by cuts in spending that are real and substantial. Coburn is advocating the same thing and is doing it from a strategic standpoint.

Coburn has also privately been making the “tactical argument” to Republican senators and his former House colleagues that the GOP’s best option is to agree to the rate hikes, then extract spending cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, said one Senate source. And while Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and other GOP leaders publicly oppose any tax hike in the fiscal deal, they haven’t tried to silence Coburn, sources said. But the former three-term congressman is perhaps freer to speak his mind than most Republicans: A proponent of term limits, he has pledged not to run for a third Senate term in 2016.

“The reality is there is a Democratic president, a Democratic Senate — and the only way you’re going to start doing something to save Medicare, to save Social Security is to give them revenue,” Coburn told POLITICO. “It’s wrong, but that’s the real world we live in.”

I wholeheartedly wish the "real world" Coburn is referring to didn't exist, but the political reality is that it does. We have to deal with it, regardless if we like it or not. I just hope the GOP leadership can follow Coburn's lead and find it in themselves to stand their ground and refuse to raise taxes, unless spending cuts are forthcoming from the Democrats.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: tomcoburn

1 posted on 12/12/2012 4:52:10 AM PST by LD Jackson
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To: LD Jackson

We’ll be screwed if the fiscal cliff is gone over. Polls make it clear that our side will disproportionately be blamed. Coburn is right.


2 posted on 12/12/2012 4:54:14 AM PST by babble-on
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To: LD Jackson

Like many, I really just don’t care. Nothing will be solved with a deal or without. Our side has proved to be an absolute failure in the past 18 months in this discussion, as the entire discussion is about ‘more revenue’. We had a solid majority opinion on spending before the debt deal of last year, and now, there is no discussion of spending cuts and a losing debate on ‘more revenue’. I give up. If this deal stinks, I am off to a new party.


3 posted on 12/12/2012 5:02:43 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: LD Jackson

He has long been advocating a balanced approach to reducing the national debt and the deficit and it is worth mentioning that Coburn’s approach is much more balanced than the proposals President Obama and the liberal Democrats have put forth.

Why does he attempt to make the case using the democrat talking point “balanced approach”?

More importantly for the first time in my recollection, Senator Coburn makes the case for increased revenue. My opinion has always been there is more revenue poorly used than the house and Senate should ever have.

The bottom line makes since as well, NO tax increase without immediate spending cuts, and real ones not fake ones.


4 posted on 12/12/2012 5:02:56 AM PST by wita
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To: babble-on

Sadly that’s true. We can’t expect Democrats, who clearly won the last election, to abandon what they want in favor of what we want. Just won’t work.


5 posted on 12/12/2012 5:06:04 AM PST by paul544
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To: babble-on

Sadly that’s true. We can’t expect Democrats, who clearly won the last election, to abandon what they want in favor of what we want. Just won’t work.


6 posted on 12/12/2012 5:06:18 AM PST by paul544
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To: babble-on

We’ll be blamed either way. Coburn is a fool. It’s not a football game where we root for the team with the R.


7 posted on 12/12/2012 5:08:11 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: LD Jackson

Here we go again _

Lucy = Dems

Charlie Brown = Washington Repubs

Spending cuts = the latest football


8 posted on 12/12/2012 5:11:01 AM PST by Makana
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To: LD Jackson
I tell you what, Senator. You can have whatever tax hikes you like as long as you DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! Do we have a deal?
9 posted on 12/12/2012 5:12:30 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: wita

Like Limbaugh was saying last week (he may still be saying it I just haven’t heard) once the R’s agree to a tax increase, they’re basically admitting to being wrong all this time on taxes. 0 has won this thing and the lurch toward a one party system is all but complete. If the R’s cave on taxes, they have no reason to exist. If they don’t, they’ll get the blame for everything and be swept out of office in 2014. Which is find because we don’t need people saying the right things then voting the wrong way at crunch time. It’s like a pitcher that pitches 6 scoreless innings but gives up 4 in the 7th, every single time.

We conservative Americans) are fighting on the wrong battleground (DC), using the wrong weapons (GOP).


10 posted on 12/12/2012 5:15:20 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: paul544

And that’s what’s wrong with this debate. The Democrats lost big, in Oklahoma, where I live. There’s no reason we should have to suffer because of what Philadelphia wants. 0 lost every county in Ok and our legislature is overwhelmingly conservative. Our focus needs to get away from DC.


11 posted on 12/12/2012 5:17:51 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: babble-on

What is wrong with going over the fiscal cliff? How will we be screwed?

Our side will always be blamed for everything so why don’t we do what is right and simply refuse to compromise with Obama?


12 posted on 12/12/2012 5:20:51 AM PST by impimp
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To: LD Jackson
I say we go over the cliff. Raise taxes up the wazoo on everyone then sit back and watch the economy burn. What the Republicans are doing is giving cover for the Obamacare tax increases that are coming soon. The entire world will soon be entering a new dark age.
13 posted on 12/12/2012 5:22:37 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: demshateGod

Here is a thought.

“Senator, you can raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% when the Democrats put forth a budget so we know what we are spemding. In addition, there will be no rise in the debt ceiling and spending is frozen for the next 10 years.”

In other words, this “we are spending 8% next year so making it 3% is a 5% cut, will not apply. You will cut the full 8%. And this is across the board.”


14 posted on 12/12/2012 5:25:48 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: demshateGod

I guess my official position is the individual states are the only thing that could possibly save us now. We are already with our backs against the wall and Obama has the bulldozer. The states pushing back could buy some time, especially where the implementation of the affordable health care act is concerned.

You and Rush are right about raising taxes, either way we lose, so why worry, and the debt ceiling is another no brainer, or ought to be. It goes no further. Live within your means or else. Surely there is a ten year plan of livable spending cuts, and entitlement reform that would put us on the road to financial well being instead of where we are now.


15 posted on 12/12/2012 5:28:31 AM PST by wita
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“You will cut the full 8%. And this is across the board.”

That would be called a heck of a good start to financial sanity.


16 posted on 12/12/2012 5:31:41 AM PST by wita
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To: LD Jackson
I am really disappointed in Coburn.

The voters selected the Republicans to run the House of Representatives, where fiscal issues originate. The voters want fiscal responsibility.

Coburn is ceding this very important power to the democrats.

I never thought I'd say it, but Coburn is an idiot.

17 posted on 12/12/2012 5:34:26 AM PST by kidd
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To: demshateGod

These guys all got dementia or what?

Embrace the cliff. We’re going either way, today or next year. R’s will get blamed no matter what. May as well do the right thing.


18 posted on 12/12/2012 5:36:43 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: LD Jackson
And polls show Republicans would shoulder most of the blame if the two sides fail to strike a deal.

The public has already pre-positioned the GOP for the blame for ANYTHING that negatively affects them, even if the GOP caves and gives Obama what he wants. It's a classic no-win situation.

19 posted on 12/12/2012 5:41:26 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: LD Jackson
“I’m for raising revenue because we have to — it’s not because we should but because we have to,”

Stupid comment, Coburn. So, you "have to" say, screw doing the right thing and... because we "have to," just give your friend Obama what he wants.

20 posted on 12/12/2012 5:43:14 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: paul544
Sadly that’s true. We can’t expect Democrats, who clearly won the last election, to abandon what they want in favor of what we want. Just won’t work.

That's because the GOPers, at the end of the day, will surrender... without fail.

21 posted on 12/12/2012 5:45:39 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Hoodat
I tell you what, Senator. You can have whatever tax hikes you like as long as you DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! Do we have a deal?

Along with NO 8% baseline hike in spending, NO "stimulus," and an immediate 10% cut across the board in entitlement spending.

22 posted on 12/12/2012 5:50:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: babble-on

You know what? Everyone knows he wants to raise taxes. That’s what he ran on and supposedly, that’s what the people voted for. We should give them what they want. It’s not going to work. It will be proven to be another failed obama economic policy. When it kicks in along with obamacare and really starts affecting people it didn’t effect before, they will turn on the democrats.


23 posted on 12/12/2012 5:51:48 AM PST by jersey117
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To: LD Jackson

Just bend over there senore’ boehner,


24 posted on 12/12/2012 5:52:59 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: LD Jackson

Traitor and Coward Coburn File.


25 posted on 12/12/2012 5:55:17 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: ScottinVA

Has anyone notice; Patrick Henry is dead.

But we do have a lot of Henriettas.


26 posted on 12/12/2012 5:57:49 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

noticed?


27 posted on 12/12/2012 5:58:49 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: LD Jackson

Yeah tom ya rino jerk,
Raise taxes once again in your career ya butt head.


28 posted on 12/12/2012 6:01:39 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: LD Jackson
Rush mentioned that several financial experts have all agreed that taxing the successful - even at 100% - will not make a dent in the debt. Even Dims won't admit this will reduce the debt.

Repubs will be blamed whether they do or don't tax the successful. When has raising taxes ever helped an economy?

Why surrender? Pubs have no courage.

29 posted on 12/12/2012 6:08:36 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: LD Jackson

If you think Conservatives weren’t motivated to turn out in 2012, just wait and see what happens if the Pubbies do THIS.

I’m afraid we are gonna be living in Socialist Democrat America for a very, very long time.


30 posted on 12/12/2012 6:28:36 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LD Jackson
Even if the deficit were a revenue problem, which it's not, but even if it were, is there not a single politician in Washington who will come out and say that raising tax rates DOES NOT necessarily equal raising revnue. Have none of these people ever been in business in the private sector?

I could picture them sitting around the board room:
"We're losing money this year. We need to raise revenue what do you think we should do?"
"Let's raise prices 15%."
"Great, that will increase revenue by 15%. Why didn't we think of this sooner"
"Raises for everybody. Take the next month off."

Idiots.

31 posted on 12/12/2012 6:31:32 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: LD Jackson

Everything the Kenyan has done to trash the economy and collapse America so far has been blamed on the GOOBers. Why would this be any different. The GOP needs to stop worrying about what the ObamaZombies are telling the “pollsters” about them. They’ll never vote for a Republican anyway. Like a bunch of garbage dump bears, they want handouts and freebies. They’ll be sticking with the commie ‘RATS no matter what the GOP does.


32 posted on 12/12/2012 6:31:50 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: kidd
The voters selected the Republicans to run the House of Representatives, where fiscal issues originate. The voters want fiscal responsibility.

Sadly, no. More Americans voted for a Democratic House of Representatives than voted for GOP candidatess. By about a million votes actually. It is only through gerrymandering that the Republicans kept such a strong majority in the House. Based on this election cycle, the public does not seem to be with us - at least at the national level. What passes for the American public these days is more and more dependent, more and more like Europe, and increasingly buys into leftist populism.

33 posted on 12/12/2012 6:47:17 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: babble-on

we’re screwed because “we”- the GOPe, fights like little pu$$ies...hey- how about demanding that for every dollar of tax increase there is a dollar of spending cuts??? its win-win....

better yet how about stating now if we go over the fiscal cliff and there is no agreement because obozo and the left refuse to cut spending, congress will immediately defund obamacare and 90% of all foreign aid to help with the spending cuts...

so simple even the stupid GOPe should be able to grasp this...


34 posted on 12/12/2012 7:13:37 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Hoodat
I tell you what, Senator. You can have whatever tax hikes you like as long as you DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! Do we have a deal?

I like that idea.

35 posted on 12/12/2012 7:20:43 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Hoodat
I tell you what, Senator. You can have whatever tax hikes you like as long as you DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! Do we have a deal?

I like that idea.

36 posted on 12/12/2012 7:20:58 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: LD Jackson

Fact: It’s inevitable all Americans will face an increase to their income tax rates with or without passing the bill.
Obama&Co own the problem.


37 posted on 12/12/2012 8:47:32 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: kidd

Coburn always says the right thing then caves when he’s really needed.


38 posted on 12/12/2012 9:21:26 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: ScottinVA

“we have to,”

That’s what he said about the bailout. We have no one on our side in DC. He’s the poster boy of the Stupid Party.


39 posted on 12/12/2012 9:23:22 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: jersey117

“they will turn on the democrats.”

I don’t think they will. 1. We have a thoroughly corrupt media and education system. 2. National elections are determined by useless rabble.

The only hope is our states, prayer, and/or force.


40 posted on 12/12/2012 9:28:15 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Longbow1969

That’s interesting. The way elections go is no longer about misinformation or media bias. That’s now a given. The electorate is truly socialist and voting for what they want. The problem can’t be fixed through voting, save at a state level.

If we’re okay with socialism, that’s what we’re getting. If not, it’s going to take blood. We have lost the debate. Liberty is no longer on the negotiation table. If we want it, there needs to be an ultimatum. Congress isn’t going to secure it for us and there’s no reason to think they have any interest in our liberty. No. Socialism is here, the bill or rights is void. If we want it back, we will have to take it by force.

What I’m trying to say is we don’t need to get all worked up about debates in DC. We have no say in what happens there. We either need to get comfortable within socialism or take our liberty by force.


41 posted on 12/12/2012 9:42:35 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Longbow1969

“Sadly, no. More Americans voted for a Democratic House of Representatives than voted for GOP candidatess. By about a million votes actually. It is only through gerrymandering that the Republicans kept such a strong majority in the House. Based on this election cycle, the public does not seem to be with us - at least at the national level. What passes for the American public these days is more and more dependent, more and more like Europe, and increasingly buys into leftist populism.”

If this is truly the case, I’m predicting that the Republicans are going to have a difficult time “holding their position” in the House in 2014.

They’ll have to claw and scrape just to retain their majority. If things go badly for the party nationally (and considering the way they’re going now, how could they get much worse?), the Pubbies might even lose the House in ‘14.

I realize this flies in the face of conventional wisdom (that being that the party of the president always loses seats in the midterms), but didn’t Obama’s re-election in November turn that “conventional wisdom” upside down, as well? (that being that no president presiding over an economy as abysmal as Obama’s had been re-elected in modern times.)

In the Divided America (land of the free.... phones), the old rules and truisms just don’t apply no mo’.


42 posted on 12/12/2012 10:14:33 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: demshateGod

I disagree with your assessment of Coburn. He is certainly no fool. He is just trying to further the betterment of our country in the best way he sees possible.


43 posted on 12/12/2012 10:38:07 AM PST by LD Jackson
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To: kidd

I disagree. Coburn is no idiot. He just sees the inevitability of what we are facing. If you will take the time to read the entire interview on Politico, you will see he is not conceding that more revenue is needed. He just realizes that is the only way we are going to reach an agreement.


44 posted on 12/12/2012 10:40:58 AM PST by LD Jackson
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To: LD Jackson

You’re probably right.


45 posted on 12/12/2012 10:55:57 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: LD Jackson
best option is to agree to the rate hikes, then extract spending cuts

Balanced? This is the same silly agreement the Republicans have made before. The word 'then' implies taxes first, cut later, and the cuts never appear.

The budget jumped up $1T/year the last year of GWB, and has been kept there. Cut that first, and then the Republicans can talk about changing the tax profile.

The purpose of the demanded tax increase isn't to raise revenue, but to kill the private sector, and to force the Republicans into saying that it's the right thing to do.

Boehner and company might figure out that the game in DC is no longer patty-cake, but I fear it will be too late.

46 posted on 12/12/2012 2:15:04 PM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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