STICK TO YOUR GUNS

28 Dec 12 | Justin Giles

[Smokin' Joe]

That 230:1 ratio does NOT take into account the shear numbers of force multipliers available to Them. All manor of electronic surveillance. Night vision hardware. Infrared visual surveillance equipment. Body armor and armored vehicles. Grenades of every imaginable variety and yield. Not to mention the best and highest caliber weapons on the planet.

What is most valuable is that there are Oath Keepers who understand how to work this equipment, can train others, and who may (if it comes to that) assist in the capture of such equipment.

The same things which are advantages in some situations are liabilities in others, and any successful insurgent will figure out how to negate the former and emphasize the latter. No system is without its weak points, and looking alike, speaking the same language, etc. will provide the intrepid the ability to negate those advantages.

[Smokin' Joe]

As far as deserting or just nullifying orders by doing nothing they are split.

If you're going to leave, if things have gone that far, drive away in something useful. I am sure folks would help find a place to put it...until it was needed.

[ExSoldier]

From a Freeper's FB page: SCARY STUFF

You can debate the validity of this all you want, I personally just don't KNOW, but it certainly sounds like a liberal's wet dream! If this happens, there will be certain signs... trigger points if you will, so keep your head in the game and not in the sand. Keep praying, too.

RAPTURE READY?

[dcwusmc]

Marine Corps bump...

[Gilbo_3]

bump...

[ArrogantBustard]

I will not give you the names or numbers

Good. I'd think a lot less of you if you did.

There is another article I have in the works based on an expertise I have

I strongly suggest that you base your article on independently verifiable sources ... your personal expertise, of course, will tell you what and where those verifiable sources are and inform your analysis of them.

I don't throw brick at allies.

If you don't toss a brick or two at an ally who is posting bum data or dodgy analysis, you're shirking.

Please include your background in any article so we have some perspective.

Negative. My background is irrelevant, and unverifiable in any case. Anything I post will have to stand or fall on its own merits.

[ArrogantBustard]

Interesting excerpt from your first link (Rosebud is the alleged highly placed source):

Rosebud: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.

Remember, they will not be confiscating guns from honest citizens in violation of the Second Amendment.

The Big Media leftist propaganda machine will make sure of that.

No, they'll be "arresting scofflaws", "protecting the children from violent extremists", "raiding terrorist compounds" and the like. The evening news will be loaded with (staged) "interviews" of "reasonable gun-owners" who did their "civic duty" and "got their guns off the streets". For our own good, of course ...

Anybody who thinks that folks from Joe Six-Pack to Jane Soccer-Mom to Oscar the Office Worker to LEO to military won't be affected by the propaganda barrage needs to wake up. Big Media and Big Government will try to paint gun owners as worse than child molesters.

[saleman]

Good in theory. FWIW here is what I’m thinking.

Joe hunts and has weapons in his home for protection and even has CC permit. He also has a wife, 3 kids, 2 cars and a mortgage. More or less like 90% of law abiding gun owners in the US. So, semiautos are banned. Turn’em in or you’re a criminal if caught with one. Felony.

Can you imagine (I can I’ve had 3) what wifey is gonna say about that? I’ll tell you. She’s gonna tell you to get those damn guns down to whereever they are collecting and destroying them. NOW!!!!!

And guess what? 90% of those “avg Joes” are gonna do just that.

[SENTINEL]

I agree. You’ll see divorce and betrayal by wives and everything else over this topic. Luckily a small percentage is enough.

[appalachian_dweller]

>> Remember when socialists begin to talk about disarming your for the sake of “public safety,” that disarmament is a required precursor to genocide, in every case. <<

Compare Hitler and Obama. Hitler rose to power by blaming eveyone’s problems and a specific group of people, the Jews. Fast forward to Obama, he blames everyone’s problems on the rich and on conservatives.

Same play, different faces. Scary thing is, it seems to be working.

[saleman]

BTW. I keep reading these threads about “burying” guns and ammo, “unfortunate boat accidents”, etc. etc.

What good are firearms and other weapons if they are buried under 5 ft or earth. IMO if you are hiding your weapons then “they” have already won. The tipping point, for me, is when semiautos are outlawed and are being confiscated.

I’ll leave it to your imagination what is to be done when this tipping point is reached.

[saleman]

“... You’ll see divorce and betrayal by wives and everything else over this topic. Luckily a small percentage is enough.”

Yea. Some have and will call them the “Dead Enders”. Many would call that an insult. I will call them patriots. Don’t know if I have the courage to join them. Once you come to that point then there is no going back. It is a terrible sacrifice. They will be called treasonist, terrorist, nuts, dangers to society. Many will be killed and more imprisoned. Me, I’d just rather be dead than locked up for the rest of my life....

[SENTINEL]

Arrogant since you've hijacked MY thread.

Why don't you add something of value.

I've pointed out repeatedly that we ARE ALREADY UNDER a psychological warfare attack by the MSM and that this article was carefully designed to counter it to rally the troops.

You've added nothing of any value, you've been nothing but negative and demoralizing to the readers here.

Personally I think you won't tell us about yourself because you don't have the kind of background that I and the other military guys here have, and you won't write your own article because it won't gather the kind of attention mine has.

Nobody will follow a contrarian old blowhard. The only reason this has continued at all is because you're able to hide behind your keyboard.

Lead, follow or shut your suck.

[stevie_d_64]

You make an interesting point...

But with that technological, informational, logistical support...

I believe that our side of the equation can and will sustain a campaign against this force, that will be un-sustainable for “them”...

Look at Vietnam...That is still a stinging reminder of how our government was shortsided in how to address such low-tech and un-conventional adversaries for the longest time...And that is NOT to short the efforts by the boots on the ground actually having to deal with the physicalities of such a force against them...They did what they had to do, the best that they could...And I say that to make sure there is no one misunderstanding that I recongnize their sacrifices during that time...

“We” have since learned form that conflict, and many of those folks are still around to apply that knowledge and experience today...

From a purely numbers standpoint, I beleive the numbers Sgt Giles presents is fairly accurate, and I am not going to throw rocks at the data...

But look at it this way...Even if only 3% of that ratio were to effectively fight out of the 230:1 information, that is still a sizable force...

The only damnng thing I can put against us is that the resistance WILL be extremely fragmented, uncoordinated, and spurious in its efforts...At first...But what may be drawn from that initial effort will be others who see this for what it is...

And we all understand that point...It is just that some people have different thresholds of tolerance to tyrrany and the attacks on our liberties and freedoms these days...

The fight CAN and must be taken out of the forces aligned directly against us if it comes to that, and I believe it will be very effective after the gauntlet is finally thrown down...

And whats funny...It won’t be one of “us” that starts this thing...

Just my opinion...

Also...Organizing draws attention...Nothing I have said here is old news, but sometimes it does draw attention...What is important is to know WHO YOU can trust without any reservations when and if this goes down the way they want it too...And the mutual understandings and support from that very small circle of friend(s) needs to be ALL on the same page, without any reservations or hesitation...

Security is paramount for achieving success...But make sure you define success before you set out on this path...

Again, just my opinion...You are NOT alone in your position either...

[fattigermaster]

How are your skills in hand to hand combat?

One who quotes Sun Tzu is surely familiar with Musashi’s the tactics for one man, are the same for ten, or a thousand. Since you pose yourself as an authority on field tactics, you must have a firm grasp of close quarters tactics.

Always eager to learn from a master...lol

[ArrogantBustard]

SENTINEL:

since you've hijacked MY thread

Bullcrap. I offered a very mild criticism of a part of your article, and you blew your top. Man up and admit it.

Personally I think you won't tell us

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what you think of me. I'm irrelevant. Facts matter. Rationality matters. I don't. Neither do you.

The only reason this has continued at all is because you're able to hide behind your keyboard. Lead, follow or shut your suck.

That's really funny. Is that what you call leadership? Really? "Agree with me in all things, or I'll punch you!" ROFL!!! You have a lot to learn, buster. If you can't even defend your article against "a contrarian old blowhard" like me without threatening violence, you're really pathetic. You'll be completely worthless against a real opponent.

Seriously: check your attitude, FRiend. It's not too late to fix it.

I'll be very interested in your IR article. I hope it will be good.

Have a splendid day.

DC, B:

Courtesy ping

[ArrogantBustard]

Mark for later reply.

[fattigermaster]

Master...what technique is this?

[going hot]

Look at Vietnam...That is still a stinging reminder of how our government was shortsided in how to address such low-tech and un-conventional adversaries for the longest time...

Perhaps not a good analogy.

Every time victor charles popped his head up, it got blown off. Every time. The opposition was decimated, literally, to a man.

The only things that saved them were "official" ROE, and the US media.

Heck, Hanoi did not have a single missle left to shoot after line backer II, and a serious shortage of swinging richards old enough to hold a rifle.

I would not hold it as a fact that any loyalists, and the media especially, would be restrained similar to the fighting forces were during that fight.

[RedMDer]

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