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28 Dec 12 | Justin Giles

Posted on 12/28/2012 11:53:32 AM PST by SENTINEL

Stick To Your Guns
Justin Giles, Sergeant US Marine Corps (former)

Imagine you are walking through the woods on a dark cloudy night. You are startled by a vicious, snarling beast concealed in the blackness. Not knowing what else to do you scramble up a tree, afraid and unsure what to do next.

This is a natural human response to an encounter with an unknown foe. Because of this weak human tendency, military commanders throughout history have studied their potential enemies in minute detail. One man who understood this well was 6th Century B.C. Chinese General Sun Tzu.

“It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.” -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Following the horrible crime in Connecticut, there is a lot of talk by oath breakers about curtailing freedom. Marxists calling themselves Democrats and liberals calling themselves Republicans have made it clear, “They” intend to disarm “Us”.

From the left side I hear cries for confiscation, and from the right I hear “Molon Labe”. To suggest that this could not lead to civil war is to ignore history. War is an ugly thing, so in the interest of peace I wish to help “Them” understand “Us” and vice-versa.

Cold Hard Numbers: “Us”

Estimates from various sources, from liberal to conservative , have the number of privately owned firearms in the United States in the vicinity of 300 million. Countless polls estimate these weapons are owned by around 47% of US households, or about 54 million. (47% of 114,761,359 households per US Census

The 2011 US Census shows a population of 311.6 million.

The 1775 population of the 13 colonies including slaves and Native Americans was around 2.4 million.

At the height of the revolutionary war in 1779, there were 35,000 Continental Soldiers and Marines, 44,500 militia and 5000 Continental Sailors fighting for freedom, for a total of 84,000 colonist men. ( This gave us an active combatant ratio of 3.5% of the population. This ratio was smaller during the earlier stages of the war, and once this and the 12,000 late arriving French troops are taken into account, the overall generally accepted 3% figure is derived.

3% of our population today equals 9.35 million, and this is only part of the story. I could make a very strong case that due to the fact that we today have a large standing army, and in colonial days they did not, the percentage of active combatants in any future resistance to disarmament would double or more. There are currently around 10 million oath-bound military veterans in the US between the ages of 22 and 50, many of them combat vets. ( I will leave this case for another time, because 3% is enough. Here are some quick numbers for comparison from the Federation of American Scientists.

3% US population 9.35 million

Chinese Military (active) 2.25 million

Russian Military (active) .96 million

US Military (active) 1.46 million

So, we are 9.35 million, but who are we ?

-We are overwhelmingly Christian, and worship the God of David, Elijah and Samson.

-We dominate the military and veteran ranks.

-We are competitive shooters, hunters, outdoorsmen, fishermen, ATV and dirt bike riders.

-We are fathers and husbands, sons and grandsons of the generations who won the world wars.

-We are law abiding citizens who have been sold into slavery with a national debt so big it would take a tax increase, per household, the size and duration of a mortgage to pay off.

-We work in law enforcement, City, State and Federal. “We” are deeply among “Them”.

-We are 9.35 million men with battle rifles, not armed because we are free, but free because we are armed.

Cold Hard Numbers: “Them”

During the disarmament trial runs at Waco and Ruby Ridge, it was the ATF and FBI that bravely lead the charge against vicious women and children. Any future enforcement of new federal disarmament laws would be carried out by oath breaking members of these two agencies. Let’s break it down.

BATF (2006) 4,559 (

FBI 36,074 (

This gives us a total of 40633. There could be hidden within other agencies additional groups of oath breakers who may be used for disarmament. Because I am working toward a ratio, and I used what I believe to be a 50% low estimate on the “Us” column, I will not add an estimate for additional feds on the “Them” side. Don’t forget that “We” are deeply among “Them”, and “They” live among “Us”.

9,350,000 / 40633 = 230.1

“We” have “Them” outnumbered by >230:1.

Now that both parties have a proper perspective on things let us continue the conversation with the levels of respect and confidence due.

What about the military ?

There are differing opinions about this, most having a valid basis. I will lump local and state law enforcement into this portion of the discussion. I believe that at a local level, you could see almost anything happen militarily in the hypothetical case of resistance to disarmament. On a strategic nationwide level, unlawful orders to disarm the American populace would cause a stalemate within the military. Such unlawful orders would be carried out by some and opposed with force by others at levels from individual to division. Debilitating acts of sabotage both of covert and overt nature, at all branches and levels within the service, would skyrocket.

The US military, by and large, is comprised of citizens of the states and areas most likely to resist disarmament by force. This is the point in the discussion to consider the nation’s considerable veteran population. There are around 10 million veterans in the US between the ages of 22 and 50. We are most concentrated in the areas most likely to resist disarmament. We are the fathers and brothers of many active duty military members. We are armed. We are trained and experienced tankers, pilots, medics, infantrymen and Special Forces Operators. For every Ranger or Marine on active duty, there are as many as 7 armed veterans of fighting age with the exact same skill and training on the civilian side.

Splits within the military in the US happened during the Civil War, and even during the Roosevelt administration. General George McArthur took bribe money and signed on with a group of globalists to overthrow the US Government by force. US Marine Smedley Butler, when approached by the same group, went undercover and gathered information which he took straight to congress. Butler single handedly saved the nation in the most covered up piece of US History of all time. Read “The Plot To Seize the White House” by Jules Archer or “Devil Dog” by David Talbot for more information on this.

When an oath breaking Marxist who throws like a girl gives an order to an oath keeping Marine from Houston to shoot an oath keeping Former Marine from Houston because he won’t disarm, what do you think will happen ? Every active duty officer, sworn to uphold and defend the US Constitution from domestic enemies should think on that long and hard. Although localized actions of all types are likely, I predict strategic level stalemate.

Visualization of 230:1

Now back to that walk in the woods and the snarling beast in the dark. Hopefully the truth has thrown enough illumination your way to see that you’ve been treed by a Chihuahua. Imagine a 230 pound man versus a 1 pound purse dog.

Picture a large football stadium, completely sold out. The crowd versus those on the field and sidelines is about a 230:1 ratio.

Imagine a head on collision between a sport bike and a fully loaded 18 wheeler. That is a 230:1 weight ratio.

Take an ice cube from your freezer and hit it with an Oxy-Acetylene torch. That is a 230:1 temperature ratio.

Take heart, free Americans, our Founding Fathers have got your back.

Is this really worth fighting over ?

According to Professor Emeritus of Political Science at the University of Hawaii R.J. Rummel, totalitarian governments, mainly Marxist, killed 262 million of their own citizens during the 20th century. That unimaginable number is easier to grasp if one visualizes 10 million Sandy Hook Massacres. These are flat out murders of noncombatants, an act Rummel has labeled “Democide”. I highly recommend his excellent book “Death By Government”, and a study of the information on his website from which I have borrowed the following charts.

This is the kind of thing our founders wanted us armed with battle rifles to prevent. Forget the talk of the types conspicuously absent at places like Lexington Green and Normandy Beach. Lawyers, commentary, debate, or politicians have never granted liberty, nor stopped Democide.

This unprecedented murder is not an unfortunate side effect of Marxism, but the intent. One murderer of 77 million innocent men, women and children understood the importance of arms.

-“Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

-“Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party.”

-“A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery. It cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.” Mao Zedong, The Little Red Book, 1964

It is not necessary to impute the actions of foreigners onto the Marxist movement in the US, they have been caught red handed ! Bill Ayers of 60’s Weather Underground fame, avowed Marxist and admitted murderer, held in his home a coffee “meet and greet” for Obama during his campaign for a vacant Illinois State Senate seat. Ayers and his cohorts set off dozens of bombs in the 60’s and 70’s, including one in the US Capitol building.

Here is an interview with an FBI agent who was undercover with Ayer’s “Weather Underground” during a discussion about slaughtering 25 million Americans and imprisoning many more in re-education camps.

2 Minute interview with FBI agent

Obama in his own book, “Dreams of My Father” admitted his leanings.

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

Obama’s appointments of Van Jones, John Holdren and dozens of others are right in line with his Marxist beliefs. Of course he will lie about it, of course he will mock, it is the “Alynsky” way, but numbers and history do not lie.

I do not waste my time on any other irrelevant “gun rights” arguments. 20th CENTURY DEMOCIDE IS ENOUGH !

Although the Democide numbers have been revised upward to 262 million since these final three charts from Rummel were published, they still give a good visualization to just how dangerous Marxist government is.

There is much talk and worry recently of a “Fiscal Cliff”. In my opinion we stepped off that, as a nation, long ago. All that is left is the sudden stop at the end of the long fall. What we should all be much more concerned with is the “Freedom Cliff”. We stand at the edge with a Chihuahua trying to scare us into jumping. The time is now to prevent Democide in America. One small step and it is all over.

History has warned us, in the same way God warned Samson, not to give up the secret to our power. We’ve listened to the Chihuahua again and again and every time she has worked for our destruction.

The God given right to own battle rifles, as enumerated in the 2nd Amendment, is enough to make the difference between a “Tianenmen Square” and a “Lexington Green”.

I have seen war. I pray for peace, but if forced I will chose the left column of this final chart over the right without hesitation. What Christian could not ? I understand Chihuahuas are allergic to combat boots.

230:1. Brothers, STICK TO YOUR GUNS !

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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
That 230:1 ratio does NOT take into account the shear numbers of force multipliers available to Them. All manor of electronic surveillance. Night vision hardware. Infrared visual surveillance equipment. Body armor and armored vehicles. Grenades of every imaginable variety and yield. Not to mention the best and highest caliber weapons on the planet.

What is most valuable is that there are Oath Keepers who understand how to work this equipment, can train others, and who may (if it comes to that) assist in the capture of such equipment.

The same things which are advantages in some situations are liabilities in others, and any successful insurgent will figure out how to negate the former and emphasize the latter. No system is without its weak points, and looking alike, speaking the same language, etc. will provide the intrepid the ability to negate those advantages.

141 posted on 01/02/2013 10:21:27 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Resolute Conservative
As far as deserting or just nullifying orders by doing nothing they are split.

If you're going to leave, if things have gone that far, drive away in something useful. I am sure folks would help find a place to put it...until it was needed.

142 posted on 01/02/2013 10:52:41 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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From a Freeper's FB page: SCARY STUFF

You can debate the validity of this all you want, I personally just don't KNOW, but it certainly sounds like a liberal's wet dream! If this happens, there will be certain signs... trigger points if you will, so keep your head in the game and not in the sand. Keep praying, too.


143 posted on 01/02/2013 11:21:45 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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Marine Corps bump...

144 posted on 01/03/2013 12:04:59 AM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: Gilbo_3


145 posted on 01/03/2013 6:50:40 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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I will not give you the names or numbers

Good. I'd think a lot less of you if you did.

There is another article I have in the works based on an expertise I have

I strongly suggest that you base your article on independently verifiable sources ... your personal expertise, of course, will tell you what and where those verifiable sources are and inform your analysis of them.

I don't throw brick at allies.

If you don't toss a brick or two at an ally who is posting bum data or dodgy analysis, you're shirking.

Please include your background in any article so we have some perspective.

Negative. My background is irrelevant, and unverifiable in any case. Anything I post will have to stand or fall on its own merits.

146 posted on 01/03/2013 7:15:47 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ExSoldier
Interesting excerpt from your first link (Rosebud is the alleged highly placed source):

Rosebud: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.

Remember, they will not be confiscating guns from honest citizens in violation of the Second Amendment.

The Big Media leftist propaganda machine will make sure of that.

No, they'll be "arresting scofflaws", "protecting the children from violent extremists", "raiding terrorist compounds" and the like. The evening news will be loaded with (staged) "interviews" of "reasonable gun-owners" who did their "civic duty" and "got their guns off the streets". For our own good, of course ...

Anybody who thinks that folks from Joe Six-Pack to Jane Soccer-Mom to Oscar the Office Worker to LEO to military won't be affected by the propaganda barrage needs to wake up. Big Media and Big Government will try to paint gun owners as worse than child molesters.

147 posted on 01/03/2013 7:27:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Good in theory. FWIW here is what I’m thinking.

Joe hunts and has weapons in his home for protection and even has CC permit. He also has a wife, 3 kids, 2 cars and a mortgage. More or less like 90% of law abiding gun owners in the US. So, semiautos are banned. Turn’em in or you’re a criminal if caught with one. Felony.

Can you imagine (I can I’ve had 3) what wifey is gonna say about that? I’ll tell you. She’s gonna tell you to get those damn guns down to whereever they are collecting and destroying them. NOW!!!!!

And guess what? 90% of those “avg Joes” are gonna do just that.

148 posted on 01/03/2013 7:35:30 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: saleman

I agree. You’ll see divorce and betrayal by wives and everything else over this topic. Luckily a small percentage is enough.

149 posted on 01/03/2013 8:15:53 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Travis McGee

>> Remember when socialists begin to talk about disarming your for the sake of “public safety,” that disarmament is a required precursor to genocide, in every case. <<

Compare Hitler and Obama. Hitler rose to power by blaming eveyone’s problems and a specific group of people, the Jews. Fast forward to Obama, he blames everyone’s problems on the rich and on conservatives.

Same play, different faces. Scary thing is, it seems to be working.

150 posted on 01/03/2013 8:17:19 AM PST by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: saleman

BTW. I keep reading these threads about “burying” guns and ammo, “unfortunate boat accidents”, etc. etc.

What good are firearms and other weapons if they are buried under 5 ft or earth. IMO if you are hiding your weapons then “they” have already won. The tipping point, for me, is when semiautos are outlawed and are being confiscated.

I’ll leave it to your imagination what is to be done when this tipping point is reached.

151 posted on 01/03/2013 8:18:13 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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“... You’ll see divorce and betrayal by wives and everything else over this topic. Luckily a small percentage is enough.”

Yea. Some have and will call them the “Dead Enders”. Many would call that an insult. I will call them patriots. Don’t know if I have the courage to join them. Once you come to that point then there is no going back. It is a terrible sacrifice. They will be called treasonist, terrorist, nuts, dangers to society. Many will be killed and more imprisoned. Me, I’d just rather be dead than locked up for the rest of my life....

152 posted on 01/03/2013 8:25:41 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Dead Corpse; bayouranger
Arrogant since you've hijacked MY thread.

Why don't you add something of value.

I've pointed out repeatedly that we ARE ALREADY UNDER a psychological warfare attack by the MSM and that this article was carefully designed to counter it to rally the troops.

You've added nothing of any value, you've been nothing but negative and demoralizing to the readers here.

Personally I think you won't tell us about yourself because you don't have the kind of background that I and the other military guys here have, and you won't write your own article because it won't gather the kind of attention mine has.

Nobody will follow a contrarian old blowhard. The only reason this has continued at all is because you're able to hide behind your keyboard.

Lead, follow or shut your suck.

153 posted on 01/03/2013 8:31:50 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; All

You make an interesting point...

But with that technological, informational, logistical support...

I believe that our side of the equation can and will sustain a campaign against this force, that will be un-sustainable for “them”...

Look at Vietnam...That is still a stinging reminder of how our government was shortsided in how to address such low-tech and un-conventional adversaries for the longest time...And that is NOT to short the efforts by the boots on the ground actually having to deal with the physicalities of such a force against them...They did what they had to do, the best that they could...And I say that to make sure there is no one misunderstanding that I recongnize their sacrifices during that time...

“We” have since learned form that conflict, and many of those folks are still around to apply that knowledge and experience today...

From a purely numbers standpoint, I beleive the numbers Sgt Giles presents is fairly accurate, and I am not going to throw rocks at the data...

But look at it this way...Even if only 3% of that ratio were to effectively fight out of the 230:1 information, that is still a sizable force...

The only damnng thing I can put against us is that the resistance WILL be extremely fragmented, uncoordinated, and spurious in its efforts...At first...But what may be drawn from that initial effort will be others who see this for what it is...

And we all understand that point...It is just that some people have different thresholds of tolerance to tyrrany and the attacks on our liberties and freedoms these days...

The fight CAN and must be taken out of the forces aligned directly against us if it comes to that, and I believe it will be very effective after the gauntlet is finally thrown down...

And whats funny...It won’t be one of “us” that starts this thing...

Just my opinion...

Also...Organizing draws attention...Nothing I have said here is old news, but sometimes it does draw attention...What is important is to know WHO YOU can trust without any reservations when and if this goes down the way they want it too...And the mutual understandings and support from that very small circle of friend(s) needs to be ALL on the same page, without any reservations or hesitation...

Security is paramount for achieving success...But make sure you define success before you set out on this path...

Again, just my opinion...You are NOT alone in your position either...

154 posted on 01/03/2013 8:43:16 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends's how thin it is.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

How are your skills in hand to hand combat?

One who quotes Sun Tzu is surely familiar with Musashi’s the tactics for one man, are the same for ten, or a thousand. Since you pose yourself as an authority on field tactics, you must have a firm grasp of close quarters tactics.

Always eager to learn from a

155 posted on 01/03/2013 8:59:00 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: SENTINEL; Dead Corpse; bayouranger

since you've hijacked MY thread

Bullcrap. I offered a very mild criticism of a part of your article, and you blew your top. Man up and admit it.

Personally I think you won't tell us

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what you think of me. I'm irrelevant. Facts matter. Rationality matters. I don't. Neither do you.

The only reason this has continued at all is because you're able to hide behind your keyboard. Lead, follow or shut your suck.

That's really funny. Is that what you call leadership? Really? "Agree with me in all things, or I'll punch you!" ROFL!!! You have a lot to learn, buster. If you can't even defend your article against "a contrarian old blowhard" like me without threatening violence, you're really pathetic. You'll be completely worthless against a real opponent.

Seriously: check your attitude, FRiend. It's not too late to fix it.

I'll be very interested in your IR article. I hope it will be good.

Have a splendid day.

DC, B:

Courtesy ping

156 posted on 01/03/2013 9:02:42 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Mark for later reply.

157 posted on 01/03/2013 9:16:34 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Master...what technique is this?

158 posted on 01/03/2013 9:29:50 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: stevie_d_64
Look at Vietnam...That is still a stinging reminder of how our government was shortsided in how to address such low-tech and un-conventional adversaries for the longest time...

Perhaps not a good analogy.

Every time victor charles popped his head up, it got blown off. Every time. The opposition was decimated, literally, to a man.

The only things that saved them were "official" ROE, and the US media.

Heck, Hanoi did not have a single missle left to shoot after line backer II, and a serious shortage of swinging richards old enough to hold a rifle.

I would not hold it as a fact that any loyalists, and the media especially, would be restrained similar to the fighting forces were during that fight.

159 posted on 01/03/2013 9:40:06 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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160 posted on 01/03/2013 10:53:19 AM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should post gun free zone signs on their property and persons.)
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