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Ha Ha! Obamacare Senate Amendment Forbids Ammo and Gun Registration
fire andrea mitchell ^ | January 9, 2013 | Fire Andrea Mitchell

Posted on 01/09/2013 7:01:20 PM PST by opentalk

I guess we really did have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it. Of course, Obama is the lawless president and doesn’t abide by laws anyway. But still, it’s funny to find out that ObamaCARE, rammed down America’s throats by Marxist Democrats in 2010 forbids any gun or ammo registration.

Good news — it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.

It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the Amereople, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.



TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; california; guncontrol; guns; harryreid; lol; nancypelosi; noregistration; obamacare; secondamendment; whoopsy; zerocare
From link in article...

According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV),that's exactly right. He says he added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare,which was so ubiquitous in 2010.

1 posted on 01/09/2013 7:01:24 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk

ha!


2 posted on 01/09/2013 7:05:27 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: opentalk

Wow, Harry Reid did something good by accident.Wonder what other little gems are hidden in that law. Betcha Judge Roberts knows.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 7:07:02 PM PST by madison10
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To: opentalk

That might not be accurate report from Breitbart. Read the first few comments under the article at the link....


4 posted on 01/09/2013 7:07:25 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: opentalk

5 posted on 01/09/2013 7:10:06 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: SERKIT

comments:

What this amendment ACTUALLY says is that health care coverage, premium rates, and any participation in health and wellness programs shall not be affected by an individual’s lawful ownership, use, or storage of firearms or ammunition, nor shall such data be collected on individuals (Sec. 10101)

This is a restriction placed on health care providers NOT the government. It neither strengthens or weakens the 2nd Amendment. It has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

....

The section goes further to prohibit government collection of data — but it is limited to government action pursuant to the health care law

....

One of the ways to remove firearms from someone is to deem them unfit. In fact, that is part of the gun control conversation now.
You need a doctor to do that.
Obamacare prohibits the doctors from recording anything concerning firearms, specifically research and reporting to the state or federal government. and action being taken against the patient in regards to his guns.
This means Obama might be responsible for the all the shootings since his act has been enacted , since it tied the hands of doctors or/and caused massive confusion among them
I wonder if the Colorado shooters shrink was prevented in asking Holmes if he had guns or prevented her from reporting that he does.

......


6 posted on 01/09/2013 7:10:06 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—øAs
added by section 10101(e)(2)¿
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information
relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authorities
provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection
of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by
that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to
maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any
health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized
under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.
‘‘(d) REGULATIONS.—Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment
of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the Secretary
shall promulgate regulations that provide criteria for determining
whether a reimbursement structure is described in subsection
(a).
‘‘(e) STUDY AND REPORT.—Not later than 180 days after the
date on which regulations are promulgated under subsection (c),
the Government Accountability Office shall review such regulations
and conduct a study and submit to the Committee on Health, Education,
Labor, and Pensions of the Senate and the Committee on
Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives a report regarding
the impact the activities under this section have had on
the quality and cost of health care.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 7:11:10 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: opentalk

So Reid gets to pander to his base KNOWING he had already blocked what obastard wants. As much as I despise Reid, maybe the NRA was right to back the scumbag. Or did for this exact reason?


8 posted on 01/09/2013 7:12:36 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: opentalk; BCR #226

Holy crap! Did Obamacare just cancel NFA?


9 posted on 01/09/2013 7:17:50 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: opentalk

Reports describe this as a Senate amendment. Is it actually federal law in the final bill?


10 posted on 01/09/2013 7:21:20 PM PST by tbw2
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

So, pick — repeal Obamacare, or keep the 2nd Amendment (for now). Thanks opentalk.


11 posted on 01/09/2013 7:24:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Fake answers for people who don't ask enough questions.)
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To: opentalk
...the government cannot collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.

Who gets to define "lawful"?

12 posted on 01/09/2013 7:31:32 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: SERKIT

Thanks..many interesting comments regarding interpretation. Obamacare medical records and use of data regarding 2nd amendment


13 posted on 01/09/2013 7:34:50 PM PST by opentalk
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To: opentalk
i guess palousey might wish she read it before she passed it...
14 posted on 01/09/2013 7:37:16 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: opentalk

Do the research...before you laugh. He who laughs first...
From the comments:
“What this amendment ACTUALLY says is that health care coverage, premium rates, and any participation in health and wellness programs shall not be affected by an individual’s lawful ownership, use, or storage of firearms or ammunition, nor shall such data be collected on individuals (Sec. 10101)”

Lo and behold, that is exactly what it says.
Lord, love a duck.

Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.
‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT
GUN RIGHTS.—
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—
A wellness and health promotion
activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or
collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfullypossessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence
or on the property of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage
of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None
of the authorities provided to the Secretary
under the Patient Protection and Affordable
Care Act or an amendment made by that Act
shall be construed to authorize or may be
used for the collection of any information relating
to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition;
or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA
BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to
the Secretary under the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act shall be construed to authorize
or may be used to maintain records
of individual ownership or possession of a
firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM
RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—
A premium rate may not be increased,
health insurance coverage may not
be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward
offered for participation in a wellness program
may not be reduced or withheld under
VerDate Nov 24 2008 02:40 Mar 11, 2010 Jkt 089060 PO 00000 Frm 00020 Fmt 0624 Sfmt 0634 E:\RECORD09\S19DE9.REC S19DE9 mmaher on DSK69SOYB1PROD with CONG-REC-ONLINE
December 19, 2009 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE S13491
any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or
in accordance with the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance
upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS
FOR INDIVIDUALS.—No individual
shall be required to disclose any information
under any data collection activity authorized
under the Patient Protection and Affordable
Care Act or an amendment made by
that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage
of a firearm or ammunition.’’.
******************************************

” WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—
A wellness and health promotion
activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or
collection of any information relating to—”

It has nothing to do with ANYTHING ELSE BUT OBAMACARE.
IF they make firearms illegal or confiscate your fireams, this amendment is moot.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 7:41:56 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: zot

see post 7 for text


16 posted on 01/09/2013 7:42:58 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: opentalk

This was posted under the article. I feel foolish now after sending it to the NRA and the reading this :o(

From commenter under article:
...I swear this Awr person is either the most disingenuous person alive or is simply incapable of reading.

What this amendment ACTUALLY says is that health care coverage, premium rates, and any participation in health and wellness programs shall not be affected by an individual’s lawful ownership, use, or storage of firearms or ammunition, nor shall such data be collected on individuals (Sec. 10101)

This is a restriction placed on health care providers NOT the government. It neither strengthens or weakens the 2nd Amendment. It has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 7:46:15 PM PST by Capt.Michaels (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: AlmaKing

Should have come back to the thread before posting. You are absolutely right. Every single article on this begins with “According to reports” and not one of them bothered to check the actual amendment to see if it was even remotely true.
Either the orig on cnn was done by a fool, or it was a deliberate setup for exactly the reaction it got. Would cnn lie to you?
HELL yes.


18 posted on 01/09/2013 7:52:13 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. Nothing in it to get our hopes up. It applies to health care providers.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 7:59:36 PM PST by zot
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To: opentalk

Wow... Good news.


20 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:00 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: MestaMachine

If they declare the ownership, use, or storage of firearms or ammunition to be unlawful, then this clause would not apply.


21 posted on 01/09/2013 10:19:03 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

Exactly. So everyone who is dancing for joy around this apple tree are about to be made fools of for NOT doing due diligence.


22 posted on 01/09/2013 10:33:08 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: ctdonath2

It could be construed that way. It does put multiple handgun reporting requirements in the question.

I don’t know just how far it can be interpreted but it is worth looking into.


23 posted on 01/10/2013 6:11:54 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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