Posted on 01/16/2013 4:41:13 PM PST by EveningStar
They may be manipulating code already presetn- species specific code- but are they adding non species specific code into a species? Anyone can manipulate info that is already present, however, it’s a far different thing to introduce information that is not specific to the animal in order to ‘create’ a ‘new species’ Altering info already present is nothign but LOSS of info- gaining non species specific informaiton is another thing altogether- Not sure it’s been doen succesfully- although I think I read soemwhere ocne where spider genes that produce silk were introduced into goats and the milk contained silk- however, I’m not sure such a transfer of information between disimiliar species can happen outside a lab and carefully controleld circumstrances
[[You are quite correct in saying that Christianity and Creationism are not synonymous. Of course not. Creationism is a tenet of Christianity; the most important tenet; That the Judeo-Christian God is the Creator of the Universe, and of Mankind. What is your point in asserting something not in dispute? Do you think it somehow salvages your soiled reputation?]]
Those who insert their own words into the bible are infact attemptign to make God’s word Fallible, and their word infallible- They insist they beleive God’s word, and they insist they are ‘Christians’ however, they reject them ost important tenents, because to accept God at His word is to admit evolution can not, and did not happen- so they MUST cause God’s word to becoem fallible, and cause their words to becoem infallible- they are Feabily attempting to make themselves out to be more trustworthy than even God is- These folks, who were NOT there ‘in the beginning’ act as though they were infact there, and desperatetly try to convince everyoen that their word is more true than The One who WAS there i nthe beginning, and who gave His account about what took place. God’s word tells us VERY CLEARLY thgat there was NO sin and death and destruction BEFORE the fall of man- and Yet evolutionists (who falsely claim they are ‘Christians’) INSIST that God ‘got the ball rolling by initiating evolution’ which means that there would HAVE TO BE death, destruction, corruption BEFORE the fall of man, in order for the evolutionary process to somehow manage to overcome biological, physical, mathematical impossibilities trillions of times ‘over billions of years’- which is blatantly contrary to God’s word
Evolution and Christianity are NOT compatible- Either God’s word is infallible3, or man’s is- I’m putting my money on God- Christianity and science are completely compatible, but the hypopthesis of evolution as seen through the highly imaginative glasses of secularism are not compatible- The FACTS are the same for both camps- but the evos go way beyond the facts, and insist that nature was capable of supernatural events- and that nature must have violated it’s own ‘laws’- and that nature was somehow capable of irreducible complexity and of creatign information out of static materials-
[[At first, I thought it was only a “semantic problem.” I.e., the “meaningful” difference between “creation” and “formation.”
But that didn’t satisfy....
Then the thought occurred to me that this entire “dispute” is resolvable in terms of the concept of ex nihilo Creation, which the Holy Scriptures inerrently proclaims and attests.]]
Again- I think it’s pretty clear that the bible talks about ex nihilo, AND also mentiosn the fact that death did not occure before the fall of man- The symantic differences between’creation/formation’ therefore are moot- if no death occured before the fall of man (Summarized ‘If you eat of the fruit, you shall surely die’) then evoltuion could not have happened, and it’s very likely that 6 days means just that- six days- The bible holds enough evidence to present a strogn ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ case for special one time creation UNLESS one delves into the word with a scalpal and the itnent of fittign hte word to a preconceived ideology that excludes God from the whole works- We don’t find anythign in God’s word to even begin suggestign htere were several creation events ‘outside of’ the six days, and I beleive it woudl take a seriosu imagination to invent a case for such an idea?
If I mistook your itnentions of your post in 218- I apologize, I just beleive we can stray quite far from God’s true itnentions in His word if we want to soemtimes- especially when the simplest answers seem to be the best msot of the time-
Adaption is loss of information, ‘evolution’ i gaining information NOT Specific to that species- The latter is a biological impossibility- the body has several lines of ‘defence’ agaisnt foreign invasions of non species specific information which is precisely WHY unlike KINDS can not breed and make viable offspring- The word KIND throws the evo for a loop- because htere are many KINDS within a species family- There ARE cases where Birds Isolated on islands ADAPTING to a point where they can no longer breed with the same species elsewhere is nothign more than a LOSS of information and NOT the necessary GAIN of information to produce evoltuion proper (macroevolution)- but htey are still the same KIND and will NEVER be another KIND- it’s biologically impossible for them to becoem another KIND and will eventualyl burn themselves out due to inbreeding- Loss of information such as this is NOTHING LIKE macroevolution
Basically I said exactly what you have said- Adaption is loss of information within a KIND
“The FACTS are the same for both camps- but the evos go way beyond the facts”
And there, I think, is the nub of it.
I’m not much into Science, so I listen and try to understand what I can. What is clear to me, and to what I find violent objection, is that some science advocates (Darwinian Mullahs and Imams, I call them) use Science to justify sweeping religious conclusions that take Science (Evolution specifically) well beyond the realm justifying their reason for existence. If, in the process of the application of the principles of Alinsky and Goebbels to Evolution, these Darwinian Mullahs and Imams exceed even the simple bounds of Science alone, then this should not be an occasion of stupefaction.
[[I’m not much into Science, so I listen and try to understand what I can.]]
I’m only slightly into science- mild itnerest I guess it could be described as- what I loathe though are scientists who insist that hteir word is infallible while God’s word is fallible- Yet they stand on a far greater amount of faith than We Christians do because they have to put hteir faith in a ‘force’ incapable of intelligent design that somehow ‘created’ intelligently designed, irreducibly complex systems by the trillions-
Science is compatible with Holy Scriptures, and ifnact supports Holy Scripture, but evolution is not science, it is faith in a supernatural ‘force’ that somehow, agaisnt impossible odds at every turn, created irreducibly complex information out of what? Dirty Chemicals? Can’t happen-
I don’t mind scientists havign their viewpoints, (If they want to go to hteir grave believing they are nothign more than descendents of primates- then that’s their problem and they have a rude awakenign coming to them), however, when they becoem Nasty liek Richard Dawkins, and begin claiming assinine things such as ‘morality and belief in God is nothign more than a virus’ and insinuating that thsoe who believe in God are weakminded to begin with which made them susceptible to the ‘delusions’ caused by soem unknown virus- then it gets personal- the hostility of evolutionist scientists towards Christians is uncalled for- and unprofessional- and the hostility of the peer review organizatiosn towards Creationist’s findings and ID’ist’s findings is equally disturbing coming from a body of peopel that claim superior knowledge-
It’s just sad that debates always seem to devolve into heated arguments riddled with nasty remarks like allmen’s, in both the scientific community and in blogs and websites-
When “they” get personal, you may be sure that a sincere exchange of ideas and opinions is not the motive behind the insults.
Thanks for the comeback.
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