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How 19-year-old activist Zack Kopplin is making life hell for Louisiana’s creationists
io9 ^ | January 15, 2013 | George Dvorsky

Posted on 01/16/2013 4:41:13 PM PST by EveningStar

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1 posted on 01/16/2013 4:41:22 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Science is of use in explaining and predicting the natural world. Creationism is useless.


2 posted on 01/16/2013 4:47:13 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: EveningStar

It just goes to show that one person CAN make a difference!


3 posted on 01/16/2013 4:49:29 PM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: EveningStar

I am here to say I have nothing to say.

But I will watch with... interest.

I am sort of interested in suggestions on how to dispose of the billions of artifacts in geology and other Earth Sciences that point to only one possible theory.

And those who think a Scientific Theory is a Guess all growed up (AGW is NOT a Scientific Theory by any proper application btw).

Other than that, I got nuthin’

Thanks in advance for the fun.

/watch mode


4 posted on 01/16/2013 4:50:13 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: allmendream

And when science can’t explain something, you can just make up something that sounds sorta right and claim it is science.


5 posted on 01/16/2013 4:52:40 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: allmendream

much of what is taught in science class these days, is not science


6 posted on 01/16/2013 4:52:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Exactly........the ‘facts’ and ‘truth’ of the humanist religion of evolutionism, is whtever they NEED it to be


7 posted on 01/16/2013 4:55:59 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: allmendream

“Science is of use in explaining and predicting the natural world. Creationism is useless.”

While it has its uses, science has played a huge role in the demise of “Western civilization” over the last 100 years. Now the science geeks, espousing much of what Nazism brought to the fore, can stand back and watch as the Earth is inherited by Creationists...

Scientists can never explain the origin of the universe, and the Big Bang is absurd per their own arguments; if matter is finite, the Tooth Fairy (can’t say “God”) triggered the creation of all matter...from an “explosion”...


10 posted on 01/16/2013 4:57:46 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: EveningStar
Ten bucks says that by his 25th birthday Zack will have contracted AIDS,Hep C and rectal syphilis.And he'll loudly proclaim that it's Bush's (and the NRA’s) fault.
11 posted on 01/16/2013 4:58:41 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: kearnyirish2

Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that Germans were created in the highest image of God. Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 5:02:32 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Of course its useless to you...you see it as an enemy to your religion of science when they go together just fine. I don’t require you to believe neither should you do the same to others. The provable aspects of science are not in conflict with Christian faith but you demand that we say they are with statements like this one. The theoretical aspects yet unproven dont worry me nor should they worry you. The dismissal of the possibilities creationist’s bring to the table show the closed minds that exists.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 5:04:28 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: EveningStar

Have you ever noticed how people on the right who feel strongly about an issue are called “extremists”, while those on the left are called “activists?”


14 posted on 01/16/2013 5:04:56 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: kearnyirish2

Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that Germans were created in the highest image of God. Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 5:06:05 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: EveningStar
His father is Andy Kopplin, who is the First Deputy Mayor and Chief Administrative Officer for the city of New Orleans. Kopplin was Chief of Staff for Governors Blanco and Foster and created the Louisiana Recovery Authority under Blanco. -- Wikipedia
16 posted on 01/16/2013 5:08:59 PM PST by x
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To: EveningStar
Well one thing this kid needs to learn is it is the THEORY of evolution - not LAW; so don't act like there is nothing to challenge evolution. Can there not be another "theory?"

The fossil record doesn't support half the nonsense evolutionists come up with, no one has ever proven a Big Bang, and I don't see any dogs with gills, or talking fish - their fossils seem to have disappeared too.

And strangely enough animals seem to decide to wallow over to one area and die in large groups so their fossils can be found together. Fossilized trees have been found that extend through multiple layers of sediment - you know that stuff that take millions of years to deposit, because trees can grow with fossilized roots, because they evolved that way.

And clams at one time had legs, but evolution said they didn't need them which is why seashells are found near the top of Mt. Everest - definitely a more plausible story than a catastrophic event such as a flood of Noah's Ark proportions.

Cannot a competing "theory" held by a considerable number of Americans also be taught as well?

17 posted on 01/16/2013 5:10:59 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: allmendream

LOL, I just read that postmodernism reality is only in your mind and the physical world does not exist. Gotta love scientists and philosophers. Your computer only exists in the reality of your mind. No wonder kids are losing theirs.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 5:11:07 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: ICE-FLYER

Science is not at all in conflict with my Christian faith, neither does it conflict with the faith of most Christians who have no use for creationism.

I do find it amusing how most are unable to make an argument for creationism without an ignorant assumption that anyone arguing against is an atheist.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 5:13:12 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Science is not at all in conflict with my Christian faith, neither does it conflict with the faith of most Christians who have no use for creationism.

I do find it amusing how most are unable to make an argument for creationism without an ignorant assumption that anyone arguing against is an atheist.


20 posted on 01/16/2013 5:14:17 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Nice ad hominem argument there, Sparky: Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.

When you and yours are prepared to deal scientifically with the issues raised by such works as Darwin's Black Box, and not by attacking people, be sure to give me a call.

21 posted on 01/16/2013 5:14:59 PM PST by Robwin
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To: Repeat Offender

Creationism is not a scientific theory it is a religious belief.


22 posted on 01/16/2013 5:16:36 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: kearnyirish2
Scientists can never explain the origin of the universe ...

John Wheeler, of MTW ( Misner, Thorne and Wheeler, the authors of the big black "phone book" on GRAVITATION ) wrote ( and it's in the book ) to the effect that if you take all the equations and write them on the floor of a room, and stand back and wave your arm and command them to fly, not one of them will take flight, but the universe "flies". In other words, the universe seems bound to remain an ineffable mystery to us.

23 posted on 01/16/2013 5:19:48 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: allmendream
Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that Germans were created in the highest image of God. Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.

That may or may not be true about creationism. I don't think you are right about "fixed types," though. More here. But not being either a biologist or a theologian, Hitler mixed up concepts without much regard to theoretical consistency.

24 posted on 01/16/2013 5:21:49 PM PST by x
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To: allmendream

“Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.”

Creationism is a prominent belief in the cultures (in America and otherwise) that believe children are worth having; someday they will be all that is left, and maybe out of the kindness of their hearts they will tend the pet cemeteries of the evolutionists from the days of yore...


25 posted on 01/16/2013 5:23:24 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: allmendream
"Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations."

REALLY? Then I'm going to ditch my belief in God's Word right now, because fitting in with self-satisfied intellectual nitwits is what matters to me! /s

26 posted on 01/16/2013 5:23:40 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: allmendream
Creationism is not a scientific theory it is a religious belief.

So is evolution.

At least there are witnesses to mine.

27 posted on 01/16/2013 5:25:37 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: EveningStar

What I find troubling is that this student activist claims to be a champion of science yet makes very unscientific claims such the one where he suggests that if a child is not taught a strict narrow secular/atheist form of evolution in a public school they will not be able to operate as a research scientist or save wetlands. It is not only unscientific but patently untrue. The bulk of the scienitists that produced our modern world of science and medicine were believers in creation even if they all weren’t creationists in the very narrow interpretation that the scientific left wish to lump all creationists into which is the “young earth” creationists.

The truth is I don’t much care but I will err on the side of freedom. If public funds can be used to promote a liberal political agenda in schools let us have an open playing field. Kids will grow up and what they learn or do not learn about evolution or any number of other topics will not prevent them from achieving success if they are worthy of it. Given the amount of crap that passes for science and education in public schools and I’m intimately familiar because I did attend them I don’t believe allowing public funds to teach kids in ways approved by their parents is a threat at all. The world will go on and the technical aspects of biology will not change either way. I don’t understand the fear myself. It is irrational just as this student activist is an irrational moron who commits the same sins of ignorance that he sees in his opponents.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 5:26:39 PM PST by Maelstorm (You may not believe in the devil but he most certainly believes in you.)
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To: dr_lew

“In other words, the universe seems bound to remain an ineffable mystery to us.”

Now that doesn’t sound very scientific, does it?


29 posted on 01/16/2013 5:27:10 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: allmendream

Evolution is absolutely a religious belief. You can’t prove it, can’t observe one species become another species, can’t repeat it or set up testable events. It is simply an act of faith that Evolution is “real”.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 5:28:22 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Repeat Offender
RO, thanks for making that point. I have had problems with zealots in the past when we home schooled out children ... on both sides of this issue. I have raised my children to have faith and to be true to science. When something is a theory, it is subject to scrutiny. I would even say, laws need the same, e.g., Newtonian Physics - refer to Einstein and some quantum guys about that.

Too often politics replaces the scientific method. Just look at global warming/climate change. It is all politics, and getting the next grant, not science.

31 posted on 01/16/2013 5:28:54 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: EveningStar

“Outraged, he wrote a research paper about it for a high school English class.”

O.K., without getting into any debate about “creationism”, what the above quote tells me is that the high school “English teacher” sees assisting and inciting kids to get political as part of the teacher’s role in teaching.

For a mere course in English there is little cause for the topic to have even come up. But the education of teachers, in the college courses they take to become teachers and in the mission statement of the college with respect to the training of teachers, includes teaching teachers to, and how to, infuse the Marxist/Progressive/Liberal political agendas into every course.


32 posted on 01/16/2013 5:29:47 PM PST by Wuli (uire)
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To: x

Hitler said an animal of one type would always be that type in Mein Kamph. Kamph

But such guilt by association is nonsense, I felt obliged to point out the reality in response to the all too typical attempt at revisionists history equating evolution with nazis.


33 posted on 01/16/2013 5:31:55 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

More particularly, it’s “apologetics”, a theory constructed in defense of Biblical Literalism, as they see it. From my POV Creationism strays very far from biblical literalism ( small “b” small “l”. ) In fact, the template for 20th century Creationism, as expounded by e.g. Henry Morris, can be found in Thomas Burnett’s Sacred Theory of the Earth, written circa 1690, and described in S.J. Gould’s TIME’S ARROW, TIME’S CYCLE. Burnett was accused of atheism in his time for espousing the same rationalistic scenarios which nowadays brand Creationists as radical religionists.


34 posted on 01/16/2013 5:36:55 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: allmendream

"Nothing comes from nothing and nothing ever could."

35 posted on 01/16/2013 5:39:48 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: allmendream

We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That it seems to me is the attitude of even the most intelligent being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand those laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. Albert Einstein (1929)


36 posted on 01/16/2013 5:41:07 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: allmendream
"Science is of use in explaining and predicting the natural world. Creationism is useless."

Science knows how to kill an unborn child. It takes Creationism to teach us that abortion is generally, if not categorically wrong.

37 posted on 01/16/2013 5:44:01 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: allmendream
Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations.

Retard.

38 posted on 01/16/2013 5:44:08 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: ClearCase_guy
Evolution is an observable fact. DNA cannot stay the same one generation to the next. I can set up testable events and repeat them.

If I plate a bacteria out, blot it on ten different plates - then subject it to ten different stresses - I will get a heat resistant strain through evolution, a cold resistant strain through evolution, an antibiotic resistant strain, etc, etc.

No scientific theory can be proven. One cannot observe the Bohr model of the atom, but the Bohr model of the atom is of use. If someday it is replaced with a mores useful model - horay! Until then it is the only scientific model currently in use.

39 posted on 01/16/2013 5:50:18 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts; ...
"Science is of use in explaining and predicting the natural world. Creationism is useless."

Science knows how to kill an unborn child. It takes Creationism to teach us that abortion is generally, if not categorically wrong.

They are at it again Beep!

40 posted on 01/16/2013 5:55:14 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: allmendream; All
Science is not at all in conflict with my Christian faith, neither does it conflict with the faith of most Christians who have no use for creationism.

A foundational Christian belief (indeed of all traditional Monotheists) is expressed in the Apostles Creed, which begins: I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.

This affirmation of God as Creator is repeated in subsequent doctrinal formulations which are accepted by all Christian churches, such as the Nicene Creed:

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.

It is the duty of anyone who claims to be a Christian to affirm the fundamental belief in God as Creator. Granted, the creative process is shrouded in mystery, and surely transcends human comprehension. However, whatever their belief in the development of species, Christians are bound to affirm God as Creator.

Those who claim to be both Christians and evolutionists might want to consider Francis Schaeffer's "Ghost in the Machine" analogy:

Suppose someone who is given to myths and superstitions insists that the clock in the tower above the town square is actually powered by ghostly figures. To which a rational person would respond: "Any sane person can see that the clock is operated by a nuts & bolts mechanism of gears and levers. You are free to believe it is due to some mystical 'power,' but it is quite certain that your superstition is utterly superfluous." I.e., the clock works perfectly well without an imagined "ghostly presence."

Likewise, Christian evolutionists may insist that some unseen Divine power lies behind the process of evolution, to which evolutionists respond: "The mechanisms of evolution are well-established and fully explicate the existence of the universe and all that is in it without resorting to some invisible mystical force."

The term "affirm" is important - and quite revealing: you who are so quick to defend the Infallibility of scientists and to "affirm" the theory of Evolution, are you also as ready to affirm the historic Christian belief in God as Creator?

41 posted on 01/16/2013 5:57:39 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
"{Creationism is only a prominent belief in America among the less educated and in Muslim nations."

The most destructive people in America, and in the world today, are the supposedly "educated". It ain't that they don't know nuthin', it's that what they "know' just ain't so. They think they know everything, like our "Demander 'n Chief".

Those who pose the greatest threat to the world at this time are "intellectuals" who are overloaded with false "facts" and "knowledge", often in the guise of science. They are followed by those who are almost void of knowledge altogether.

42 posted on 01/16/2013 6:05:02 PM PST by inpajamas (http://outskirtspress.com/ONE)
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To: YHAOS

[ They are at it again Beep! ]

Even the stupid qualify for redemption...
You need not be smart to be redeemed..

The redemption lottery can be laughed by “WINNERS”...
Throwing their ticket into the trash..

When they find out what they did with their ticket..
Mentally..... “it” might seem like a lake of fire.. (to them)..

“IT”, what is the IT?... AH!..its the stuff dreams are made of...
I will cover that next week in a symposium.. for those stupid enough to attend..


43 posted on 01/16/2013 6:08:06 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: allmendream
Scientists have conveniently defined Evolution as "the stuff I see" so that they can say "I win". Sorry it's not really like that.

Bacteria becoming resistant to penicillin? Not interesting.
Fruit fly developing different wings? Big yawn.

Show me a reptile becoming a mammal.

Evolution says that animals of one Class can become members of a different Class. Show me that. Go into a lab and get it up as a demonstration. But you can't do that, can you? All you have is Faith that at one point, things like that happened. Just not lately.

44 posted on 01/16/2013 6:09:04 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: CIDKauf; allmendream; All
Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. Albert Einstein (1929)

Scientific rationalists (and their supine "Christian evolutionist" lackeys) are guilty of a stunning arrogance and hubris, full of unquestioning faith in their own Dogmas, imagining that with their finite, limited minds, on this speck of dust on the edges of one of billions of galaxies, they have solved the Mysteries of the Universe...

45 posted on 01/16/2013 6:10:55 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: EveningStar

I see absolutely no conflict between the reality of God’s creation and the scientific truth of the big bang. I find nothing more awe inspiring than the thought of God saying ‘Let there be light’ and the universe appearing before him from nothing.
I see absolutely no problem with God-directed evolution.


46 posted on 01/16/2013 6:11:37 PM PST by HogsBreath
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think that the way that particular evolutionist religion works can be sumnmed up as:

"There is no god but the failed theology student Charles Darwin and Stephen Hawking is his prophet (or profit) or whatever." Many of them also believe in "global warming" or "global climate change" or whatever this week's pc term for climate bullshit may be.

47 posted on 01/16/2013 6:12:18 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: GreenHornet

Yep. On the right, the liberals call it “extremism”. On the left, they’re called “activists”. - Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! (laughter to keep from busting).

For the purposes of Obama’s gun grab, if you’re Tea Party, you’ll be labeled an “extremist” by Holder, and, as such, you’ll be disallowed a gun. The “Occupy Crowd” will probably be issued firearms due to their “exemplary” behavior.

The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” - So, I no longer argue with them. It’s a waste of time, and it makes the piggys mad besides.


48 posted on 01/16/2013 6:13:45 PM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: Repeat Offender
>> So is evolution. At least there are witnesses to mine. <<

Evolution is not a religious belief, it is a theory based on evidence and observation. If that makes it a "religious belief", then the theory of gravity is a "religion" too. I have not seen one study on world religions ever list "Evolutionism" as a religious belief.

49 posted on 01/16/2013 6:21:57 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: tjd1454

“Many hold tenaciously to a strange view that theism is by definition excluded by science. Such a position is not logical, since theism or atheism is a product of one’s assumptions. I unashambly start not only from a theist position, which rather than be contradicted by my scientific enquiries, is confirmed by them, but also recognize that God can reveal himself to us, and this I believe He has done in Jesus Christ.” Andrew McIntosh


50 posted on 01/16/2013 6:30:34 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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