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Which tax "loopholes" will the Rats try to close? (vanity)
January 21, 2013 | me

Posted on 01/21/2013 12:03:01 PM PST by reaganaut1

Several Rats, including the head Rat, have said they want more "revenue" beyond the tax increases already passed this year. What do you think they have in mind? Here are a few "tax breaks" (anything which lets people keep more of their own money) I can think of.

tax deductions for IRA and 401(k) contributions

untaxed employer-provided health benefits

tax-free status of municipal bond interest (reducing this I could live with, since it would raise the cost of borrowing for local government)

income tax-free build up of cash value in life insurance policies


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: obamarecession; obamataxhike; taxes

1 posted on 01/21/2013 12:03:07 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Start by eliminating all refundable credits. Then eliminate the EITC.


2 posted on 01/21/2013 12:12:40 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: reaganaut1

There are NO loop holes, there ARE legal deductions and credits.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 12:14:43 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: reaganaut1

Then, after we have stopped using the income tax as a system of welfare payments, we can talk about what the supposed definition of taxable income is.

Problem is if one seriously considers that wages are an even trade for labor, and the definition of income, or gain has been turned on its head, all of this is trite.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 12:18:02 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

I think the employer paid health insurance is at the top of the list, they already have it listed on the W-2s.


5 posted on 01/21/2013 12:25:01 PM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Mouton

You’re probably right, but its a terrible idea. Credits are far more insidious than deductions. One is an expense, the other is not.


6 posted on 01/21/2013 12:32:01 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: reaganaut1

Tax expenditures without a “blue state” or union bias wear the big target. This means tax deferrals and tax exemptions on personal retirement savings (IRA, 401k) and life insurance, as well as capping the tax benefit of Schedule C business deductions the underlying business expenses reflected in K-1s
(or at least subjecting them to all the floors and ceilings of Schedule A deductions). Tax expenditures with a “blue state” bias will remain, even though they have a HUGE disproportionate benefit to the “rich” as defined by Obama — those with $250,000 to $1 million in ordinary incomes from work — this means deductibility of state and local taxes and interest on high balance mortgages. There are very few Republicans with $900,000 mortgages paying $75,000 in state and local taxes (Republicans are richer, poorer, or live in low-tax localities). The permanent AMT patch passed earlier this month was a giant Obama “thank you” to the corporate lawyers and anesthesiologists of the New York suburbs and the mid-level tech and entertainment executives of California.


7 posted on 01/21/2013 12:32:31 PM PST by only1percent
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I think Carter tried to put his hooks into tax-free munis, and Obummer has proposed the idea several times, but that is not likely going to happen, because it would immediately put into crisis all of the free spending blue cities around the country. And not just the cities, but all the other blue investment projects as well.

“Potential issuers of municipal bonds include cities, counties, redevelopment agencies, special-purpose districts, school districts, public utility districts, publicly owned airports and seaports, and any other governmental entity (or group of governments) below the state level.”

Without tax free munis, nobody is going to loan any of them squat, and the ratings agencies will immediately drop them to low order junk. And all the unions that work on these deals are suddenly out of work. The NEA, Teamsters, AFL-CIO, etc., would get badly burned.

Right now, munis are very solid, because as long as the issue can pay the interest, a fraction of their value, there is no pressure to default, even if they are in near bankruptcy.

And the math bites hard. Say a muni pays 5% annual return. That is the equivalent to about 11% taxable return. But then, this would slam the price of bonds into the basement to get those yields, so if somebody bought them, and their price went up, on their sale the investor would have to pay capital gains tax as well.

So the muni issuers would get squeezed like a grape.


8 posted on 01/21/2013 12:36:11 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: reaganaut1
Which tax "loopholes" will the Rats try to close? (vanity)

All of them. And, then the idiot republicans will compromise and the dems will accept whatever they get. Then, they'll start the process all over again.

9 posted on 01/21/2013 12:47:57 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: reaganaut1

Wasn’t getting rid of HSAs on the Rat list?


10 posted on 01/21/2013 1:10:53 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: reaganaut1

No loopholes in Hollyweird or Media Center New York will be closed....


11 posted on 01/21/2013 1:17:20 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Mouton
employer paid health insurance

What I should have said is that there's no such thing. Your employer no more pays your health insurance than they pay your mortgage or any of your other bills.

When a company looks at an employee, they see one number - one cost.
12 posted on 01/21/2013 2:01:20 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: svcw
There are NO loop holes, there ARE legal deductions and credits.

That's an excellent point. Those "loop holes" were all voted on and passed by a majority of the clowns we call Congress, and passed by a President at some point in time.

13 posted on 01/21/2013 2:13:05 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: andyk

The point is, as of today, one does not pay taxes on it as it is a tax free benefit. The employer deducts the cost as a cost of business so from the perspective it is a cost of employment.


14 posted on 01/21/2013 2:38:16 PM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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