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Sandy Hook - it doesn't pass the smell test.

Posted on 01/24/2013 11:04:39 AM PST by eastexsteve

Though I have never thought of myself as a conspiracy nut, there are just some things about this incident that don’t pass the smell test for me. Perhaps there are some of you out there who can help me through some of this confusion. I speak as someone who owns many guns, including a couple AR-15 variants. (Well, maybe I’m a nut after all.) But, be that as it may, I think I have a few unanswered questions that haven’t been mentioned before on this topic.

1) A day after the shooting occurred, NBC News and the morning show in particular, were discussing how the Bushmaster rifle used by the killer was actually found in the trunk of his car, and up to four handguns were found in the school. This indicates he did not use the rifle. Though I realize that preliminary news reports can sometimes be sketchy on an incident like this, this was NBC, and not some fly by night news agency. And, NBC was not the only agency to report this. And, this was a full 24 hours after the incident occurred. I’ll let this stand on its own merits.

2) In discussing this with anti-gun people, they are quick to tell me that the medical examiner had determined that the victims were killed with a Bushmaster rifle. I would like to know how he was able to determine it was a Bushmaster, and not one of the other hundred AR-15 variants?

3) I also take issue with something else the medical examiner said. In his report, he said something to the effect of: “..the shooter used ammunition designed for maximum tissue damage..” This statement alludes to the use of hollow point ammunition. Have you ever tried to buy any 5.56 hollow point ammunition? Have you ever even seen any? To my knowledge, Hornady is the only manufacturer that makes these rounds in 5.56, and I’ve never been able to find any in the years I’ve been shooting, much less been able to buy any. And, this type of hollow point ammunition is very expensive. From what I understand, it costs 2 to 3 times as much as the standard hardball 5.56 ammunition. The news has the killers mother painted as a “survivalist.” This type of high dollar ammunition is not something a survivalist would buy, even if she could find it. Sorry, but unless I actually see the bullets, I’m not sold on the idea that he used hollow point ammunition in an AR-15 rifle.

4) Also, Lanza supposedly did all this killing by walking into a room with a concrete floor and concrete or brick walls, and started shooting. I guarantee you, those AR-15 bullets would be bouncing around in that room like superballs. How on earth did he keep from getting struck by a ricocheting round?

5) One thing about AR-15 variant rifles. They are semi-auto rifles with side ejection ports and 16 inch barrels. Those guns are LOUD. They are exponentially louder than the automatic pistols Lanza was carrying. They are so loud that if you have the misfortune of standing in front of the muzzle or close to the side proximity of the muzzle of one as it is being fired, it could very easily damage are hearing. Supposedly, Lanza walked into enclosed school rooms and capped off 30 or more rounds. Yet, I hear no mention about the victims or survivors suffering any hearing damage. Really?

6) Also, in regard to the report those rifles make, I performed a little experiment in the shop attached to my barn. I took one of my AR-15 rifles and fired it into a makeshift bullet trap while my wife and two neighbors stood outside. I then asked them to describe what they heard. Witnesses in the Sandy Hook school building reported hearing a “pop, pop, pop” sound when describing the shooting. When I performed my little experiment, neither my wife nor my neighbors described the sound as being “pop, pop, pop.” They described it being VERY loud, and being “BANG, BANG, BANG” and even “BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.” Now, it has been my experience that “pop, pop, pop” is the sound most semi-automatic pistols would make under those conditions.

I don’t know that anyone actually initiated a cover-up to make it look like the Sandy Hook shooter used a Bushmaster rifle when he actually used his handguns. But, then again, I wouldn’t have believed that Fast and Furious could happen. But, it did. From what I can tell, and from what I've seen, everything about this points to a semi-auto pistol, and not a Bushmaster rifle.


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KEYWORDS: assault; guncontrol; hook; newtown; rifle; sandy; sandyhook; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/24/2013 11:04:50 AM PST by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve

Almost everything you wrote here shows fault with the media, not a Sandy Hook conspiracy. For example the first one the video was pretty clear it was a shotgun in the trunk, not an AR. The media didnt know the difference. This was supported by the police report that a shotgun was found in the trunk.


2 posted on 01/24/2013 11:08:24 AM PST by mnehring
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To: eastexsteve

A LOT “smells”, but they’re hiding it well. Records sealed and roadblocks to discovery, everywhere.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 11:09:07 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: eastexsteve
this was NBC, and not some fly by night news agency.

BZZZZZT!

Wrong.

Thanks for playing.

4 posted on 01/24/2013 11:10:15 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: eastexsteve

Good questions, indeed.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 11:10:36 AM PST by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: eastexsteve

#3
You can get hollowpoint AR ammunition, either for varmint, target or personal protection, at any major ammo retailer or sporting superstore. It’s not as common as the bulk FMJ stuff, but it’s out there and easy (if expensive) to get.

A crazy bastard with an AR-15 and a couple of handguns walked into an elementary school and murdered 20 children and 6 adults. That’s a fact. Looking for conspiracies won’t change that.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 11:11:11 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: eastexsteve
Most of this can be attributed to incompetent and irresponsible reporting. Rushing to get to the story first no matter how inaccurate causes all kinds of media frenzy only the media can create.

The media itself creates the conspiracy types it decries.

Drag the heads of all the major news networks in front of congress for a good grilling like after previous elections they tried to skew with phony exit polling. They seriously need a good beat down.

7 posted on 01/24/2013 11:12:10 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: eastexsteve

The official indicates they recovered the Bushmaster inside the school—not in the trunk.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 11:12:10 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: eastexsteve

#2
The ME was already aware that the shooter used a Bushmaster AR-15 variant and handguns. A simple analysis of fragments would tell the coroner the caliber and twist. Not much of a leap when you’re comparing .223 to 9mm.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 11:13:31 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: ShadowAce
Official Report
10 posted on 01/24/2013 11:14:17 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: eastexsteve
Endlessly speculating about conspiracies serves little purpose.

Here are two facts:

(1) Almost no details about this incident have been made public record. The public has only a broad sketch of what happened.

(2) Despite the lack of full information, the administration is demanding - on the basis of this incident - that 225 years of Constitutional jurisprudence and 350 years of American tradition be changed overnight with almost no consultation or deliberation.

11 posted on 01/24/2013 11:14:17 AM PST by wideawake
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#4
You’ve obviously never fired an AR at cinderblock and brick. Zips right through, depending on the construction and thickness.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 11:15:05 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: carriage_hill

Close your eyes while we guide you out of here.

It is too horrific for you to see.

=No eyewitness of aftermath.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 11:15:13 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: eastexsteve

What the heck, might as well address the others.

#2. They said it was a Bushmaster because that is what the police reported the gun as being. They had it in their possession so they know what brand it was.

#3. Hollow point .223 is rather common. I have it loaded up in several magazines now.

#4. If you’ve ever shot a cinder block, you would know that the bullet penetrates and disintegrates. It doesn’t bounce around. Especially a hollow point which is made to expand and break apart.

#5 & #6 I take it you haven’t shot an AR even though you said you did in #6. They actually aren’t that loud. An AR10 that shoots a 7.62 is loud but an AR15 only shoots a .223, not a large round. Regarding #6, it is rather silly to describe if someone used the term ‘pop’ versus ‘bang’ but acoustics have a lot in play. How much will a room muffle. A concrete room with carpet on the floor and possibly drywall will absorb a lot of sound.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 11:15:32 AM PST by mnehring
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#5
20 dead kids and six dead adults. Yeah, and everybody is going to be asking about their hearing? BTW, there was an extremely low number of wounded (two, I think). The rest died, so no point in asking them.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 11:16:47 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: eastexsteve

Its not just the news agencies.

there are videos of various law enforcement officials making all sorts of conflicting statements on the weapons used.

One of them states that the perp used 4 pistols and no long guns.

Every video I saw on the issue was accessed through a link posted by Freepers on various articles right here so i don’t have the links, but the videos are (or were) out there.


16 posted on 01/24/2013 11:17:20 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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#6
WTF? Seriously? Some people hear “Pop” and some hear “Boom” and they heard the exact same thing, they just used different words. Did you know that the French think a cow makes a “wazoo wazoo” sound? Do you seriously think they don’t have cows?


17 posted on 01/24/2013 11:18:52 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: eastexsteve

#1
The most retarded thing you say in your entire post:

“...this was NBC, and not some fly by night news agency...”


18 posted on 01/24/2013 11:19:37 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: wideawake

I live in CT, about 40 minutes from Newtown. I know people who lost loved ones that day. I know an elderly gentleman who cries as he talks about his having work for months carving tombstones for the children of his friends. This was handled badly and the newsmedia has been putting out all kinds of crazy stuff from the minute we learned about it. And this is so convenient for those in power. They would much rather we waste our time talking about yet another conspiracy theory rather than our debt or Benghazi or the discovery in an Italian court that green energy has turned into a money laundering outlet for the mob or so many other things. We deserve what we get.


19 posted on 01/24/2013 11:19:37 AM PST by sorrisi (CAP spending and TRADE Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: wideawake

Agreed.
We don’t need retarded conspiracy theories in order to defend our Constitutional rights.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 11:20:20 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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