Posted on 02/05/2013 2:54:57 PM PST by grundle
Conservatism is under attack from the left/libertarians, and that is the fact, at the end of all the libertarian bs, is their agenda, homosexualizing the military, open borders, abortion, gay marriage, and all the drugs, porn, and homosexual agenda that they can get.
The libertarians and leftists have made extraordinary gains in all of those areas in the last 50 years as they destroy America.
You sure did! An admirable effort, too. Your audience’s response?
“Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.”
And yet we continue to issue this country its “favored nation trading status”. Proof that the USA is all talk and no action when it comes to human rights.
When libertarians quit fighting for the left’s agenda, then let the world and all of the famous lefty libertarians know.
Year after year,
More Americans lose their jobs. More American factories are closed, then re-opened in China where the same things are made.
Employing no Americans.
Neither party does diddly-squat.
NEITHER ONE.
The reason for ansel12's hysterical attitude towards libertarianism (note: small "l", as distinct from the Libertarian Party) may be the desire to not give right-wingers a choice except between statist socialism and statist conservatism, in the hopes that all conservatives jump onto ansel12's flavor.
As an example, in a libertarian political system, there would not be government-enforced morality against porn, but neither would there be government subsidies for immorality (eg, art grants for "Piss Christ", etc).
In a libertarian political system, there would not be government enforcement against fornication and unwed-motherhood. Neither would there be government subsidy for the results of immorality: no welfare means that the incentives for marrying a man who can support a family (instead of sleeping with a succession of gang-bangers) would be restored.
Libertarianism would advance morality, by REMOVING the governmental subsidies that facilitate immorality.
As an example, in a libertarian political system, there would not be government-enforced morality against partial birth abortion and polygamy and pedophilia, and homosexuals in the military and the radical homosexual agenda, entering the United States unrestrained by an INS and Border Patrol, and the left/libertarians would succeed in destroying America and social conservatism.
That is the reality and the success of libertarianism and the left in the last 50 years.
Your child’s fantasy that that will result in a new America of people putting down their crack pipes and ghetto lifestyles and becoming conservative voters and ending welfare and social programs, is insane, and totally bizarre.
Social liberals and immigrants vote for more government and welfare, social conservatives, the religious, are the ones voting against it, and who the libertarians and left are at war with.
You people are totally irrational and live in a fantasy world that when ALL votes are equal, that more ghetto living leads to people suddenly voting like Evangelical Christians, when the opposite is true.
You end welfare and social programs FIRST, then we can discuss adopting your radical leftist America destroying agenda.
Get the voters to vote out the social programs FIRST, not second.
Fifty years of history proves that libertarianism creates more soldiers of the left, not fewer.
Cool, you and I are in agreement. (Ain't that incredible?)
I agree that government subsidies that facilitate immorality should be ended FIRST. This specifically includes the Great Society programs and the Welfare State programs which followed.
For example, I would eliminate all laws that would tell businesses what health insurance coverage to buy (or even to offer health insurance), as well as laws that tell businesses they may not discriminate in hiring. Businesses could then declare that they will not cover gay couples (there would be a financial incentive, due to the cost of covering AIDS treatment).
Suddenly, gay marriage becomes less attractive, because it is no longer a way to tap into someone else's benefits package.
How many women would have children out of wedlock if they had no access to subsidizing government programs and regulations?
No one is interested in your fantasy life.
Libertarians and the other leftists make real gains in passing gay marriage and abortion and so on, that is actually happening, and it is the political success and reality of libertarianism/leftism.
Fantasies about that turning American voters into right wingers, is a bizarre illusion.
Libertarians are liars of the first degree, for them it is ghetto living today, with a promise that the ghetto livers will vote to end welfare tomorrow.
Pathetic.
Social conservatism creates economic conservatives, not social liberalism, which creates economic liberals.
Here is how that is translated into a political agenda.
“”You Can Thank a Few Rich Libertarians for Gay Marriage””
“How do you get rich Republicans to support gay marriage? By appealing to their libertarian sensibilities. The New York Times is out with its lyrical, 2,000-plus-word tick-tock of how the gay-marriage fight was won, and it centers on a meeting between Governor Cuomo’s aides and Republican donors. Amid tuna and turkey sandwiches a few weeks ago, the governor’s aides tested whether billionaire Paul Singer and hedge-fund managers Cliff Asness and Dan Loeb would be willing to support the cause. Surprisingly they were, since they were “inclined to see the issue as one of personal freedom, consistent with their more libertarian views.”
With their help (read: $1 million plus) gay-rights groups could tell the four Republican senators who took a leap of faith and voted yes to the bill that there’d be money to catch their fall.”
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libertarianism is as idiotic and utopian as socialism
Nonsense.
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destroying the foundations of civilization and they expect the result to be bliss??
Social libertopians are as insane as other leftists
Your point is bullshit as it conflates morality and law.
You really think destroying the foundations of civilization won’t have adverse effects? seriously?
Now we got pedophile rights coming, to be couched as a childs right to sex. It’s coming, libertarians will be in favor of course. Once its “okay” for kids to have sex, then incest will become okay too.
Or do you think there will a barrier there, somehow?
When 4 year old drug addicted prostitutes is the new normal you don’t think the “family” (okay, the family will be a bygone thing) won’t break down? The kids have a “right” to a fulfilling sex life with dad once all the barriers are gone and libertopians are happy. Sure the impressionable children were brainwashed but, hey, that’s life in LiberTopia. If you don’t kill the baby, you can have sex with it, great new foundation you got there.
and somehow there will be respect for each other in this fictional created universe?
How long do you think such a primitive, barbarian society (if you can call it that) would actually last??
It won’t.
No it does not.
Look at how the media/schools made homosexuality and promiscuity among teens “normal”. It’s not about law, since there will be none in your fictionalized utopia.
LOL, you sound exactly like a cult member, you want to talk about anything other than the fact that libertarianism is so bizarre, sick, and radical, that it is a philosophy of legal abortion, of creating homosexual marriage and legalizing pedophilia, and homosexuality in the military and gay men adopting kids, and all kinds of sick ideas to destroy America.
Sorry troll, but conservatism is about morality.
The libertarian agenda is to get abortion and gay marriage, not to FIGHT it and OPPOSE it, that is why they are not conservatives.
The left and libertarians are on the same team, and the result of their goal will be more statism and bigger, more powerful government, because the voters they create, will always choose that.
If you want smaller government and less government, then support the religious conservatives, they created this nation, and are the opposition to the left today.
It is mind blowing, they think that abortion, drugs, gay marriage and adoption, unlimited immigration, and all the sick signs of a destroyed peoples, will lead to those people voting against the social programs that they love, and will need and want more than ever to support their lifestyles.
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