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Cliff Kincaid is Right about “Gay Conservatism” ^ | 03/19/13 | Gina Miller

Posted on 03/19/2013 4:34:59 AM PDT by scottfactor

In the world of lies in which we live, truth is unpopular and offensive, and truth tellers are vilified and ridiculed. After all, if there is a transcendent truth, then people are accountable to it, but if truth is “relative” to what one “feels,” then truth can literally be anything, and it has no meaning or authority.

This past couple of weeks, Cliff Kincaid, the Director for the Accuracy in Media Center for Investigative Journalism, caught hell for his column, “CPAC and the Conservatives,” in which he stated the plain truth about the marriage-perverting, freedom-robbing, radical homosexual movement and its attempted invasion of conservatism. He rightly points out that there is no such thing as a “gay conservative,” unless, as he says, “conservative” has lost all meaning. He touches on the violent nature of some in the homosexual movement and the movement’s ties to Marxism.

Naturally, the Left erupted in contemptuous outrage at Mr. Kincaid’s assertions, but the sad statement for “our side,” was the reaction by some “conservatives” to Mr. Kincaid’s piece, including Michelle Malkin’s Twitchy website staff, as Bryan Fischer noted.

When writing my column on Obama’s radical leftist Labor Secretary nominee, Thomas Perez, I quoted from a report by Quin Hillyer of the American Spectator, who exposed the extreme racist, anti-Americanism of Perez. Mr. Hillyer’s piece was spot-on and written from a solid conservative perspective, but while I was on the Spectator site, I noticed a short blog piece by Mr. Hillyer titled, “No Gay Bashing, Please.” My radar went up at the leftist term “gay bashing,” and I wondered what the heck this blog could be touting.

It sounded like something written by a liberal, and I was frankly shocked at how Mr. Hillyer used the leftist catch-word of “hate” to describe Mr. Kincaid’s truth-telling about the radical homosexual movement. Mr. Hillyer’s blog is brief, so I’ll include it here:

It is one thing to oppose enshrining homosexual “marriage” into federal law as some sort of constitutional right. It is one thing to personally believe in traditionalist Christian teachings. But it is quite another to write hateful things painting all homosexuals with the same brush — especially the brush of Communism, among other things. A certain column by a CPAC sponsor, published in the last week, apparently is going viral on the left, and Bloomberg has already run a big story on it. This column goes beyond public policy into the realm of hatred, as referenced above. It doesn’t even deserve the dignity of a link. I am a full, three-stool-leg conservative, including pretty much across the board on public policy regarding the “social issues.” But for the record: The column in question violates Christ’s Second Great Commandment. It therefore does not represent valid social-conservative thought.

To Mr. Hillyer, it’s fine to “personally believe in traditionalist Christian teachings,” but apparently it’s not fine to publicly state them. In fact, he equates telling the truth about the radical homosexual movement with “hate,” which is a talking point staple of the Left. He also falsely accuses Mr. Kincaid of “painting all homosexuals with the same brush” of communism and “other things.” If Mr. Hillyer had carefully read and understood Mr. Kincaid’s piece, he would have seen that Mr. Kincaid did no such thing. Mr. Kincaid was writing of the homosexual movement itself, which is made up of radical activists. Not every homosexual is an activist member of the movement, and Mr. Kincaid is clearly speaking of the radicals, not “ordinary” homosexuals who are minding their own business, instead of trying to shove a demented agenda down the throats of the American people.

Mr. Hillyer was deeply offended by Mr. Kincaid’s comparison of the radical homosexual movement to the communist movement of Karl and Freddy, but news flash!—they are very much related. Mr. Kincaid wrote:

Marxism lies at the heart of our moral troubles as a nation. Professor Paul Kengor notes that, in the Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx wrote openly of the “abolition of the family” and of communism abolishing “eternal truths” and “all religion, and all morality.”

It should be no surprise to learn that Harry Hay, founder of the modern “gay rights” movement, was a member of the Communist Party USA and that the FBI maintained a file on him. Hay was also a vocal supporter of the North American Man/Boy Love Association. But the homosexuals constantly tell us, of course, that there is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.

In his report, “The Marxist Roots of ‘Gay Liberation,’” well-known conservative commentator Robert Knight explains what motivated Marx and his followers: “Families and the moral order stand firmly in the way of any socialist revolution. Families and religion inculcate independence and a strong set of values and personal responsibility.”

Marx’s partner [Friedrich] Engels wrote The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, which argued in substantial detail for the abolition of the family. The family was always viewed by the communists as a target because it was a bulwark against state control of the individual and society.

What better way to destroy the family than to undermine the relationship between a man and a woman, a husband and a wife, and eliminate the need for children to have mothers and fathers?

Here, again, the homosexuals deliberately pervert the language, so that two women or two men have now become shacked-up “partners” or even “husband and wife” in “civil unions” or even “marriages.”

Hay’s contribution to communism in America was developing the idea that homosexuals, like the “workers” under capitalism, were being oppressed and had to assert their “rights.”

While Mr. Hillyer may be unable or unwilling to see the Marxist roots of the radical homosexual revolution in the United States, others of us, like Mr. Kincaid, can see it with crystal clarity.

The derision Mr. Hillyer pours on Mr. Kincaid is worthy of any leftist publication, and in Mr. Hillyer’s final sentences, he even adds Scripture-twisting to the sour brew as he states that Mr. Kincaid’s column violates Christ’s command to love your neighbor as yourself. Again, Mr. Kincaid’s column does no such thing. Does Jesus command us to “love our neighbor” by encouraging our neighbor in his sins and by keeping silent when a national (even global) movement based on sexual sin is being forced on our school kids and society in general? Does Jesus command Christians to stand down while our God-given freedoms are trampled under the feet of sodomite “rights”? No, no and no.

We must understand that the radical homosexual movement is indeed about destroying the meaning of marriage and family and crushing the freedoms of speech, religion and association of those of us who are in opposition to the homosexual agenda in our nation. The goal of the leftist radicals is to silence Christians. Don’t doubt it for a minute. Why do you think the Boy Scouts are in the homosexual Left’s crosshairs? It is because they stand in opposition to homosexuality based on Christian principles. The Left is working to eradicate principled, conservative opposition to its goals.

Cliff Kincaid is right. His column is true, and those on “our side” who are trying to vilify him are dead-wrong. Those on “our side” who are trying to warp the meaning of conservatism in order to make it accept the unnatural, unhealthy and immoral homosexual agenda are as caustic to conservatism as any outside leftist force could be.

TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; republican

1 posted on 03/19/2013 4:35:00 AM PDT by scottfactor
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To: scottfactor

I don’t doubt that there are gay conservatives but they are the homosexuals we don’t hear from because they don’t make their sexuality an issue because it isn’t the central issue of their lives.

2 posted on 03/19/2013 4:53:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: scottfactor

What, no discussion of log cabin and Republican’s?

Part of who “they” are from their website.

We believe equality for gay and lesbian people is in the finest tradition of the Republican Party. We educate our Party about why inclusion wins. Opposing gay and lesbian equality is inconsistent with the GOP’s core principles of smaller government and personal freedom.

Why We Exist

Log Cabin Republicans work to make the Republican Party more inclusive, particularly on gay and lesbian issues. Equality will be impossible to achieve without Republican votes. Working from inside the Party—educating other Republicans about gay and lesbian issues—is the most effective way to gain new Republican allies for equality. Log Cabin also exists as a voice for GOP values among members of the gay and lesbian community.

Wasn’t it about three years ago when CPAC was hijacked by the new Republican Party?

3 posted on 03/19/2013 4:58:35 AM PDT by wita
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To: scottfactor
I think Gay conservatism exists at both ends of the scale of political power constructs. It's both a method of the radical left to dilute and destroy centrist conservative values. On the right side of the scale it falls under libertarian beliefs as simply a personal behavior that does not drive all political choices, and is not governed by any central authority.

The left side is where we experience radical behavior and the push by the totalitarian state to extinguish all views contrary to it's acceptance.

The right side is where we see a more libertarian view with conservative tendencies but it's not the flamboyant variety that causes most people to involuntarily convulse on sight. In fact most times, we'd be surprised to learn about it and it would be an aspect of personal behavior that would not surface frequently. These folks would be more likely to keep to themselves and not advertise their preferences and show the greatest potential for successful integration into society. Unfortunately that minority is still subject to all of the other issues stemming from such a lifestyle.

Either way, I don't think we can define this as left or right, it's the method in which the issue is presented. The totalitarians will force this on the masses, and this must be resisted with every method possible.

The libertarian variety, we should continue to keep talking and working with, according to our own principles. This does not mean acceptance. However, it might lead to salvation and we should work with that in mind. For the most part, we should be completely unaware of it and if we suspect it, it's none of our business. If and when it crosses over into the other variety we know we are working with the enemy and it's back to resistance.

Oh, I've run into the "Log Cabin Republicans". They are the left side of the scale. This is a driving issue in their lives and they are there to promote it actively while pleading "We're just like you!". The hell you are.

4 posted on 03/19/2013 5:01:39 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: cripplecreek

I could be wrong, but IMHO that would be those still closeted out of decenccy for the feelings of their fellow man. Coming out is a ritual involving your underware and sexuality in the street for all to SEE! It is not helpful for me to know your sexual leanings anymore than for you to know mine. In essence we are both closeted for the good of mankind and our brothers and sisters.

5 posted on 03/19/2013 5:03:56 AM PDT by wita
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To: scottfactor

The majority of the fascist movements of the 20th century have been led by homosexuals and their butt buddies. Read “The Pink Swastika.”

6 posted on 03/19/2013 5:35:02 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Great column by Kincaid and 100% correct. Anyone that thinks nothing is wrong with sodomites need to have their head examined. They are twisted, demented, sexual psychopaths that are trying their best to the destroy the institution of marriage in this country. That Republicans are openly embracing these sickening bastards makes me all that much more convinced that the two party system has merged and should be called the Immorality Party. I will never identify myself again as a Republican and any “conservative” that jumps on the perversion bandwagon is a closet democrat and has been his entire life.

7 posted on 03/19/2013 6:18:31 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. As long as they don’t push special rights for gays or leftist crap and agree with conservatve values there is room in the tent for all. Yes they are sinners but so are all conservatives and liberals.

8 posted on 03/19/2013 6:24:51 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: wita
What, no discussion of log cabin and Republican’s?

The column is a defense of Cliff Kincaid.

The fact is that people who wear their sexual perversity on their shoulders, and lobby for the definition of marriage to be horribly twisted, and work to shove their demented agenda on our school kids, our military, and our society cannot be conservative. Conservatism does not endorse this agenda.

9 posted on 03/19/2013 6:32:27 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: plain talk

Yes, we are all sinners, but we are called to reconciliation and to work to not sin to the best of our ability. It is impossible to be a homosexual living a homosexual lifestyle to be in reconciliation with God, as by the very definition, they have no intention to try to stop sinning. Allowing for homosexual “marriage” only endorses the sin.

10 posted on 03/19/2013 6:36:30 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: plain talk

One of my friends from childhood is gay and the only reason I even know about it is because I’ve known him my whole life. Most people don’t even know.

He doesn’t support gay marriage or waste time one gay events. He hates democrats and gay advocacy groups and the whole “gay agenda”.

11 posted on 03/19/2013 6:42:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: WXRGina

The column is a defense of Cliff Kincaid.

Which is precisely why I chose to include some of the agenda of the Log Cabin Republican’s in my comments.

It further testifies that Cliff Kinkaid knows what he is writing about.

12 posted on 03/19/2013 6:47:19 AM PDT by wita
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To: cripplecreek

I could believe there are more of those you know than there are of the noisy in your face radicals causing all the harm to those on both sides of homosexual proclivities.

13 posted on 03/19/2013 6:49:53 AM PDT by wita
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t doubt that there are gay conservatives but they are the homosexuals we don’t hear from because they don’t make their sexuality an issue...

Then they wouldn't call themselves "gay," which is a purely political term.

14 posted on 03/19/2013 7:10:44 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: scottfactor
God is separating the wheat from the chaff.

Plain and simple.

15 posted on 03/19/2013 7:12:23 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: wita

Yes, he is spot-on.

16 posted on 03/19/2013 7:20:37 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: fwdude
Then they wouldn't call themselves "gay," which is a purely political term.

Like I said, we don't know about it because they aren't running around telling everyone.
17 posted on 03/19/2013 7:24:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: wolfman23601

Yep but what you wrote is not limited to homosexual sin. It applies to hetereosexual lusts and sins as well. A heterosexual is no better or worse than a homosexual. Sexual sins are not some special category that is worse than envy, anger, etc Jesus said anger was the same as murder. We all have to be careful not to single out and focus on homosexual behavior (I realize you already know this). We should abhor homosexual sinful behavior just like any sinful bahavior

I understand where you are coming from on lack of reconciliation but we also don’t know what goes on between a sinner and God. I would say that as long as a homosexual doesn’t expect me to accept their deviate lifecycle they are welcome to vote with me for conservative candidates. I will leave spiritual judgment to God.

18 posted on 03/19/2013 10:48:29 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Texas Eagle

Amen. Hold on to His truths even tighter, folks. Deceit is fast and furious.

19 posted on 03/19/2013 10:55:02 AM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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