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Are they about to weaken the gun laws we have? (National reciprocity? Schumer is hot!)
Prairie Weather ^ | April 13, 2013

Posted on 04/13/2013 6:42:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Looks that way, according to the Washington Post.

As the Senate prepares to begin debate next week on the biggest gun-control bill in nearly two decades, the gun rights lobby and its Senate allies are working on a series of amendments that could have the opposite effect — loosening many of the restrictions that exist in current law.

Most worrisome to those who advocate new gun limits is an expected amendment that would achieve one of the National Rifle Association’s biggest goals: a “national reciprocity” arrangement, in which a gun owner who receives a permit to carry a concealed weapon in any one state would then be allowed to do that anywhere in the country. Other pro-gun proposals would make it easier for dealers to sell their merchandise between states or let certain people who had been treated for mental illness regain the right to buy weapons.

The freewheeling Senate chamber has always been a place where legislation can take an abrupt detour. But rarely has there been so much potential for unpredictable turns as on gun legislation, where allegiances break down not along party lines, but along regional ones and an urban-rural divide. ...WaPo

We're not talking only about some slimy deal from Republicans. We're talking about Democratic senators, a list of six. Enough to lead the Senate backwards into trouble. Mind you, that trouble is destined for the rest of us. These guys spend most of their time in a cocoon -- a well-protected government-defended building.

Keep an eye on the amendment process. And watch for this in particular:

The NRA has lobbied successfully in dozens of states for concealed-carry permit programs, and winning “national reciprocity” has been a long-held goal for the group....

(Excerpt) Read more at prairieweather.typepad.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; charlesschumer; guncontrol; newyork; nra; secondamendment
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Can this be true?
1 posted on 04/13/2013 6:42:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I sure hope so.


2 posted on 04/13/2013 6:46:07 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But what about the main issue, background checks on everyone?


3 posted on 04/13/2013 6:46:58 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bah.

No, not true.


4 posted on 04/13/2013 6:50:31 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Universal reciprocity still means you have to follow the rules of the state you’re in. A whole lotta people are going to get in a lot of trouble when they think they can act their usual way anywhere.

And reciprocity won’t mean much when they are tracking you and pulling licences ASAP for every conceivable reason.


5 posted on 04/13/2013 6:53:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not worth the risk. We already have a Second Amendment that the far left fringe ignores. I have no faith at all that leftists would honor a national reciprocity clause in a federal law either. Obama won’t sign this without a major infringement on our God-given rights, and it’s not worth trading a promise of respecting some rights for giving up others and allowing universal background checks that would lead to de facto registration. That’s like the mistake Israel makes when they trade real land for insincere promises of peace. We cannot trust the far left because lying to gain more power is a virtue in their view of the world.


6 posted on 04/13/2013 6:55:06 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The reciprocity proposal was last put to a vote by the Senate in 2009 and received 58 votes — just two short of the necessary 60.

The perfect poison pill to knock out Feinstein and her gungrabbers.

7 posted on 04/13/2013 6:56:52 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Post is faking it but the obvious problem is that Chucky Schumer has two agendas ~ faking it himself that he knows anything about weapons AND to protect all the schizophrenics and psychopathic killers in his own family.

He'll do anything to keep them protected from the law.

8 posted on 04/13/2013 7:00:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: OldPossum

Some amendments that might turn some minds:
Voter id.

No fees on applicants.


9 posted on 04/13/2013 7:01:59 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: OldPossum

That’s what concerns me. Fees and taxes for “background checks” and registration is going to disenfranchise the minorities and po folks who don’t have the money to pay for them.


10 posted on 04/13/2013 7:08:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: School of Rational Thought
>>> Voter id.

Not if they ram through the newest 'bipartisan immigration reform bill' as fast as they can.

Senator Schumer’s recent declaration that ‘First, people will be legalized… Then, we will make sure the border is secure,’.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3007612/posts

11 posted on 04/13/2013 7:11:08 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

National Reciprocity? A step backwards 237 years, for WHAT? So, some CCW’s can snivel-step state borders, with their handy pistolas? You morons need some true education on kapo keepsakes. You bootlicking scum.


12 posted on 04/13/2013 7:24:43 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Keep an eye on the amendment process. And watch for this in particular

and watch out for the voice votes.

13 posted on 04/13/2013 7:51:45 PM PDT by RC one (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: smoothsailing

smoothsailing, I must ask, how this would knock out Feinstein & Co.?


14 posted on 04/13/2013 8:00:55 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Brad's Gramma

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15 posted on 04/13/2013 8:12:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; RedHeeler

Wish in one hand... Regardless, the scales will remain out of balance.

There was a time in the history of this nation when a man could travel across it, armed in plain view, day or night, and not fear molestaion by man or beast other than from those who would threaten him and justify his being armed in the first place. When I am able to traverse the same ground, coast-to-coast, on the road to everywhere, without being molested by armed uniformed members of law enforcement simply to satisfy their curiousity, then I will know liberty is on the comeback trail.

As I said in my opening remark, “Wish in one hand...”


16 posted on 04/13/2013 8:16:56 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: RedHeeler

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/13/manchin-toomey-deal-could-allow-gun-owners-seller-to-carry-sell-across-state/?intcmp=trending

Would Feinstein & her gun grabbers support a “gun control” bill that includes an amendment mandating CCW reciprocity in all states, and for gun sellers as well? No. How would they stop it? They could hardly start screaming about the 10th Amendment, they don’t believe in it. What’s left? They’d be forced to vote against “gun control”. Is it any wonder that Schumer calls it “the most pernicious” proposal under consideration.

Understand, RedHeeler, I’m not saying it will be a slam dunk poison pill, just that it could be.


17 posted on 04/13/2013 9:07:50 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: chulaivn66

Interesting point of view. You are willing to sell the farm, so you can supposedly, walk to town, unperturbed by killers. To hell with everyone else. Well, good for you, chulaivn66. That’s some tight wire, mac.


18 posted on 04/13/2013 9:20:25 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t be too eager for reciprocity. If it is applies to one thing it can be applied to another such as, say, gay marriage...


19 posted on 04/13/2013 9:35:31 PM PDT by frossca
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To: RedHeeler

“You are willing to sell the farm,...” You can plainly see where banging the gums has gotten us and I wouldn’t be the first one to walk to and then stand on a line. I wouldn’t be the first to pay a price for doing it either. If we had walked a tight line in the guardianship of our rights we would not need to engage in remedial actions today. When I think of the lives lost to preserve what we had in the past, and I reflect on that loss daily while witnessing the abominations committed by our supposed representatives and executive politicians, I stand a little straighter and walk a tighter line.

When I was a lad my brother and I went for a ten-mile hike in the Berkshire mountains in west-central Massachusetts. In a .30 cal ammo can we carried our lunch, hygiene items and a Kabar knife which belonged to our father. One mile outside of town we were stopped by a policeman who queried us regarding our intentions that morning to satisfy his curiosity. Seeing the knife in the ammo can he asked why I had it to which I replied to protect ourselves if need be. “Have a good hike boys” was his reply and he was gone. Today I would be hauled in on suspicion of being a threat to society and sentenced to hard time with assorted miscreants.

I live in Arizona and I thank God I live in a state that recognizes the Constitutional right to carry openly or concealed. There are a few restrictions which, with further efforts, will fall by the wayside and be relegated to the dustbin of collectivist inspired history. As it stands I can walk the road well-travelled in this state, border to border, through city and town, much as our forefathers did as I mentioned. Liberty will be served when that degree of reciprocity reigns. Common sense and the knowledge of what once was is all that is necessary to reclaim what we had. All we need are a few good men with firm resolve not to accept abuse of our rights and a clear, uncorrupted vision of the future. Yeah. I’m a romantic. But I can dream can’t I?


20 posted on 04/13/2013 10:45:11 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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