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Bill Maher: It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘Quaint’ & ‘Nonsensical’ to Think 2nd Amendment Can Prevent Tyranny
The Blaze ^ | May 4, 2013 | Erica Ritz

Posted on 05/05/2013 12:29:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: vanilla swirl

It is wise to choose the moment for action carefully.

We should get a glimpse of what we actually face this week during the Benghazi hearings. What happens if someone actually decides to look under the forbidden rocks?

We shall see.


51 posted on 05/05/2013 5:34:28 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

If they look, they will find a government running guns and missiles to the Islamists who are trying to build the caliphate around the entire Mediteranean. They will find a government cracking down on Christianity while it supports Islam. And they will collectively yawn because they have no idea of the import of that or any other fact.


52 posted on 05/05/2013 5:44:44 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Maher is the type who thinks he will have a privileged position in the tyranny as a Minister of Propaganda or at least an apparatchik with privileges at a dacha in the Hamptons.


53 posted on 05/05/2013 5:55:51 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EconomTheiics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ez
And they will collectively yawn because they have no idea of the import of that or any other fact.

Yes, they will find what you stated and more. And some will know what it means. Will it be enough? Guess we shall see.

54 posted on 05/05/2013 5:57:29 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

55 posted on 05/05/2013 6:00:46 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

56 posted on 05/05/2013 6:03:01 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: SECURE AMERICA
, I have a feeling that a very LARGE amount of the US Military would not act to defend the Political leaders

That problem is understood and being rectified. The military is being reduced in manpower and the infantry is being replaced by techies and drones. The techies will happily operate their computer game things with no regard to the reality of it in the real world and the feminized homosexualized military is rapidly losing all characteristics that would make it a threat to the Rulers. The homosexuals, who will rapidly become a large , eventually dominating portion of the officer corps will be firmly on the side of the Rulers. The female officers and "men" will support the power center that "protects them".

57 posted on 05/05/2013 6:04:01 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EconomTheiics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Texas Fossil

You are right. They make this stuff up (50bmg machine guns, 1.9M rounds of ammo, grenades).

When the shooting starts the petty tyrants (like these sycophants in the media) will get whacked first. Then, it will get progressively harder and harder to find an enemy of the 2nd amendment when these rights stealers—however many remain in a vocal and unguarded position—rediscover that a million serious operators are distributed throughout the nation, not isolated on a plain in TX.


58 posted on 05/05/2013 6:04:01 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What an idiot. I don’t want firearms to protect me from the government. I want them to help me protect my life, my home and my loved ones from roving bands of thugs in a SHTF scenario.


59 posted on 05/05/2013 6:05:28 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

60 posted on 05/05/2013 6:05:49 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Red in Blue PA
the people of afghanistan who effectively stopped 2 superpowers using AKs

and sidewinders in the case of the Soviets.

61 posted on 05/05/2013 6:07:21 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's EconomTheiics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes Bill, the Davidians were out gunned and didn't have a chance.

The government called in the military to use a tank, tear-gas and flash-bangs to incinerate the compound, killing every man, woman & child that stood up to your beloved government.

62 posted on 05/05/2013 6:08:27 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: nonsporting

I have read that:

“It is estimated that Texans own around 51 million firearms.” (probably a low figure)

You might estimate that the national figure is on the order of 250 million (probably more).

And I know some farm women who in a bad scrape I would feel comfortable shooting alongside.

“a Million serious operators”? Yes that is very credible.

The left can be very brutal, almost inhuman. But they are badly outnumbered, without their useful idiots. And those useful idiots work at the polls, but not when it comes to defending others.


63 posted on 05/05/2013 6:13:00 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Red in Blue PA

“the people of afghanistan who effectively stopped 2 superpowers using AKs”

Not throwing cold water on the concept of popular resistance but go figure: every AK-47 in Afghanistan has probably been wielded by many pairs of hands, and the only ones still living are the ones clutching it right now.

In other words, they grow ‘em as fast as we can kill ‘em.

Their fanatical paradise-guaranteeing religion combined with their wild tribal culture stretching back centuries are powerful factors that normal civilized societies simply lack.

Is resistance to our growing domestic tyranny futile? Of course not! But an estimate of its true costs must be made. In 1776 it was simple: “We pledge our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor”. And so it began.


64 posted on 05/05/2013 6:16:22 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Diane Feinstein’s Husband Rakes in the Cash from Government Projects

Posted on May 4, 2013 by Marilyn Assenheim Filed under Economics, Politics

Senator Dianne Feinstein’s husband, Richard Blum, created the investment firm, Blum Capital. Blum Capital is part owner of the construction firm, Perini-Zachary-Parsons. Dots connected so far? Perini-Zachary-Parsons has won the bid to build high speed rail track that will link Madera to Fresno, California. Once built, the Reason Foundation estimates that the railway will lose between $124 million to $373 million a year.

If you’ve never heard of Madera California and have barely heard of Fresno, you are not alone. But California’s mania in pursuing this fiscally suicidal venture is not what is spotlighted, here. As Mr. Rogers might have asked, Can you say ‘Conflict of interest’?” Or “graft”?

How did Perini-Zachary-Parsons manage to snag this prize? With the “lowest” bid, Blum’s company, miraculously, came up the victor. Their bid, $985,142,530, comes to $35 million per mile. At the moment, no one is asking the question of how it happened. The project is state funded. And, once again, Senator Feinstein’s dynasty makes out while the state and nation she represents tunnels ever deeper into the septic tank.

Feinstein has been tied to cronyism, using taxpayer funds, several times in the past. According to Breitbart.com, in a report from June, 2012, Feinstein used her position and the information she was privy in order to:

Read more: http://godfatherpolitics.com/10687/diane-feinsteins-husband-rakes-in-the-cash-from-government-projects/#ixzz2SQLvVLoS


65 posted on 05/05/2013 6:20:23 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ansel12
Something that some people don’t understand, is that it isn’t just about the killing, it is about the dying as well

Exactly.

Millions are willing to kill for socialism.

Many fewer will die for it.

66 posted on 05/05/2013 6:24:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When innocents shot back at tyranny at Waco, it wasn’t tried again for 15 years. A few armed homeowners would have stopped the Boston marital law quick.


67 posted on 05/05/2013 6:26:01 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: guitar Josh

I don’t see why we can’t own mortars and belt fed ammo crew weapons.


68 posted on 05/05/2013 6:32:00 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Texas Fossil

CWII the states will call militia up and at first, it will be Bring Your Own Rifle.


69 posted on 05/05/2013 6:36:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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The problem with liberals is that their entire construct is theoretical.

Yes Bill, it may go the way you suggest.

The problem is that it probably won't.

70 posted on 05/05/2013 6:39:20 AM PDT by IncPen (When you start talking about what I 'should' have, you've made the case for the Second Amendment)
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To: RummyChick; Texas Fossil

Not that I am advocating anything but I am too tired of all the “cross this line and we will get mad” talk.

We are almost fully Soviet now. the only reason we are not carted to the gulags is because they don’t fear us. It doesn’t matter what the Benghazi hearings come up with. “What difference does it make?” Clinton took bj’s in the oval orifice and all he got was a piece of paper that said that he was impeached. So what?


71 posted on 05/05/2013 6:40:27 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Depends on how it's set up.

Just the govt. going nuts and trying to use the military to go against the American people, you are right.

It they can set up a scenario where it is made to appear as if some militant group has teamed up with a foreign govt/terrorist to wage war against the US, the military would squash them like a bug.

72 posted on 05/05/2013 7:13:42 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well to be fair to the folks at Waco they did not deploy their armaments. They clearly didn’t want a full on war with the Federal Government if they had a lot more federal agents would’ve died. They would’ve still been put down but a contained small group is a far cry from the kind of situation that would occur if Revolution broke out. The military would be very unlikely to remain united in such a situation. Soldiers would refuse to fire on civilians. It happened in Syria and anyone who doesn’t think it would happen to a greater degree here are naïve.

Truthfully in our modern era a coordinated armed resistance would have an advantage on the ground in a modern country. A country would be quickly paralyzed in an all out rebellion and that would benefit the revolutionaries. Every move the unpopular government would make would help grow the rebellion. Let them start firing on citizens and declaring marshal law and it would get worse for them. Sure one man and a gun can’t hold off the government but one man martyr is very powerful image. Waco and Ruby Ridge both fed greatly into the distrust of the federal government. I couldn’t imagine anyone reading about Ruby Ridge without being incensed to righteous anger towards the feds.

Having guns means you can resist if it comes to it. It doesn’t mean you wont die in your defense but it means you can exact a cost something that will give pause to would be tyrants.


73 posted on 05/05/2013 7:27:01 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: Maelstorm

When the SHTF, the damage will be done with software, not guns.


74 posted on 05/05/2013 7:41:05 AM PDT by olepap (God help us)
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To: shibumi
If the government believed that our being armed was quaint and nonsensical, they wouldn't be in such an all-fired rush to disarm us. Now would they?

Brilliant observation!

75 posted on 05/05/2013 7:41:14 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby.)
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To: olepap

Yeah you are probably right.


76 posted on 05/05/2013 7:50:15 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: autumnraine

Then why couldn’t over a million troops, with jet aircraft, helicopters, tanks, battleships, missiles, smart bombs and every technology of the time, couldn’t defeat peasants armed with AK-47s in Vietnam?


77 posted on 05/05/2013 8:13:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

It’s ‘Ridiculous,’ ‘Quaint’ & ‘Nonsensical’ to Think FIRST Amendment Can Prevent Tyranny, Maher, you jackass partisan media shill.

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


78 posted on 05/05/2013 8:22:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Three, actually. The British Empire, the Soviet Union and us.


79 posted on 05/05/2013 8:28:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Waco was (a) a cult, not anti-government.
He can’t understand that it’s logic,but it’s par for him.


80 posted on 05/05/2013 8:29:42 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Good thing Maher wasn't around in 1773.

On second thought. Maybe it would've been better if he had been around in 1773. That way he wouldn't be around today.

'Course, somebody else just like him would be around.

81 posted on 05/05/2013 8:32:08 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kapo in making

Blissfully ignorant of history

Pray tell sans guns

How to resist tyranny

Waco...however flawed Koresh

Was push back of a sort

And it got attention from both sides

In the long view it served a purpose but at a high cost of children

It may or may not be etched down the road


82 posted on 05/05/2013 8:33:38 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: ansel12

You think the Taliban are fierce fighters! Get the American people angry and you will unleash a force that will make them appear like a Sunday school picnick. Think Irish Republican Army on Steroids. Suicide bombings, Railroad de-railings, Power towers pulled down, assassinations, why we Americans INVENTED Terrorism! Look at the tactics used in the early Labor movement? Look at the KKK in the south, Look at the Gangsters in Prohibition. If angered the American people will become un-governable. The government might own the cities—but the countryside will belong to the Partisans. All the drones in the world can stop this from ripping away the infrastructure— Liberals are fools to think otherwise—and they haven’t studied history.


83 posted on 05/05/2013 8:43:40 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If that was the case then why do I hear liberals calling for a “bloody revolution”?


84 posted on 05/05/2013 8:58:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: GraceG

The 2nd ammendment allows us to protect ourselves agains’t tyranny.


85 posted on 05/05/2013 9:08:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Waco was the FEDGOV against a small church...what Bill Maher needs to think about is whether that same force could have won against every household in Texas.

I think the answer becomes obvious to even the most casual observer. There are less than 25,000 police officers in the entire state of Texas. Add another 30,000 Fed LEO’s if you like. There are over 25,000,0000 people in the great State of Texas (mostly armed to the teeth).

If it ever came down to it, they wouldn’t amount to a fart in the wind against those odds. Now if nobody was armed and they had to throw rocks instead, it would be an entirely different story. A seven year old can see that. I am pretty sure Bill Maher can too if he is honest about it.


86 posted on 05/05/2013 9:16:23 AM PDT by willyd
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To: Undecided 2012

Look at what two guys with a few bombs and one handgun did a short time ago.


87 posted on 05/05/2013 9:22:27 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem is, here, that he’s very very wrong.

There’s a threshold out there, a tipping point, where The People will rise up against tyranny. Waco wasn’t it (small group of loons) and neither was Boston (very specific, temporary and isolated incident involving a massive perception of potential threat to the public).

Gun confiscation could be it. The one thing that, in my experience, stops gun-control supporters in their tracks is to point out that if 1% of 1% of the 80 million gun owners in the US were to do the “Molon Labe” thing in the face of confiscation there’ll be 8,000 separate instances of armed response to tyranny.

Local, state and Federal law enforcement will be quickly overwhelmed by that kind of response ... requiring either a backing-down, or an escalation (call in the National Guard and the military). Which then may provoke ANOTHER 1% of 1% to start standing their ground (so another 8,000 incidents of armed response).

Leading up to Pearl Harbor Admiral Yamamoto - who was trying very hard to reign in the Japanese Army nutters who were taking their nation to war against the US made comments along the lines of it being insanity to try to invade the US (which he said was the ONLY way Japan could actually win) because there’d be a “rifle behind every blade of glass”. There was a Russian back in the 50s (not Molotov - that would be way too ironic) who said the same thing but used the example of Coke bottles and gas stations ...

Dipsh*ts (Admin/Mods, pls excuse that one) like Maher - who have lived privileged and affluent lives in very sheltered and protected environments, just think that if the Government pushes The People will cave in, and for those who don’t cave in the Government has the means to put them in their place.

That kind of clueless thinking scares the cr*p out me. Especially if he’s reflecting the thoughts/opinions of real decision-makers.


88 posted on 05/05/2013 9:48:02 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

KKK has had more members outside the South than in

Since 1900

The original Klan to resist occupation and radical Republicans till Hayes

Yes...a southern thing


89 posted on 05/05/2013 12:08:33 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Americans have rarely targeted women and children as policy

But have on Occasion yes

Night bombings WWII

Atom bombs

Sherman ....latter Shenandoah cavalry campaign

East TN irregulars

Missouri

Indian wars

But given our might we have resisted more than anyone else ever has

The terror you allude to is scant compared to jihad or Palestinian resistance or Hindu/Muslim/Sikhs

Or Sri Lanka Tamils

Or Congo savages attacking Belgian colonials

Etc

Missouri


90 posted on 05/05/2013 12:15:22 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the idea is more that having a population with gun rights discourages people from even thinking about establishing a tyranny.

Think of it as analogous to the freedom of the press. Reading a newspaper to a column of tanks won't turn them back, but a vigorous journalistic culture just might turn our leaders minds away from going too far.

91 posted on 05/05/2013 12:22:39 PM PDT by x
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As if Waco disproves the utility of the second amendment as a hedge against tyranny. The Waco compound was isolated -- but imagine ten thousand Waco compounds, working together. At the very least, an armed citizenry means the government can't just casually snatch you away in the middle of the night as the totalitarian governments of the 20th century could. Each household would be a minor seige with gunshots and fighting and violence, not just a silent capitulation. That is a huge difference.
92 posted on 05/05/2013 12:37:20 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: willyd
Every woman I dated in the South during my bachelor days had a pistol in her handbag. Without exception and in four states (Texas, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana). Think on that. Also, speaking of a disarmed populace, there's this:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

93 posted on 05/05/2013 7:31:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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