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1 posted on 05/10/2013 11:03:04 AM PDT by cleghornboy
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To: cleghornboy
Tom Horn and Cris Putnam deny Mary's sinlessness

Who cares?
I seriously question the motivation af anyone who would post articles such as this one, under the guise of "criticizing" it. It doesn't pass the pervert smell test.

What a transparent way to give the GLBT publicity and a huge audience?

Back to your hole, deviant.

2 posted on 05/10/2013 11:27:10 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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And your point is? All have sinned, and fall short. Jesus’ divinity inheres in His identity, His role and status as one of the three persons of the Trinity, the Triune Godhead. And this is true on its own merit, neither diminished nor enhanced by the behavior of any mortal being.


3 posted on 05/10/2013 11:42:17 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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The snide tone of the article reminds me of how liberals write about global warming critics - don’t deal with the issue just belittle and attack the person stating their opinion. No one knows if Mary sinned or not except God. Catholic teaching may indeed be right as a lot of great theologions gave this matter a lot of thought ... or they could be incorrect. What difference does it make? :-). There are many items like this that will always be up for respectful debate. I just don’t like the tone of the piece.


4 posted on 05/10/2013 11:47:08 AM PDT by plain talk
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Mary said she needed a Savior.

She recognized her sinful condition, even though many today deny what she herself said.

She was irretrievably lost, as are we all, BUT for the gift of God.

5 posted on 05/10/2013 11:59:53 AM PDT by what's up
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Tom Horn and Cris Putnam deny Mary's sinlessness

So do I. Mary wasn't Christ. Thus, Mary wasn't perfect. Thus, Mary sinned just like all other human beings (except Jesus Christ) have...

6 posted on 05/10/2013 12:03:32 PM PDT by sargon
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Don’t you have any comment to make about the article you posted, Cleghorn?


7 posted on 05/10/2013 12:05:48 PM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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Cris Putnam is touted by this book as a "respected theologian and apologist."

Uhhh, no. I've never heard either man's name attached to anything remotely trustworthy.

14 posted on 05/10/2013 1:40:50 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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And their misguided babble is important because.......?
20 posted on 05/10/2013 2:48:17 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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22 posted on 05/10/2013 4:15:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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???

Mary was human being. Of course she wasn’t sinless.
Probably a pretty darn good person, but not sinless.


30 posted on 05/10/2013 8:36:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cleghornboy; Old Sarge; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Finatic; fellowpatriot; ...

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


31 posted on 05/10/2013 8:37:14 PM PDT by narses
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