Posted on 05/24/2013 9:27:33 AM PDT by Marine Sentinel
I fully support family and friends of removing their sons from a once impressionable institution. The great “lie” that children are gay is nothing more than men and women pushing an evil agenda.
America does not give up. Stand and fight for your boys and they will love you for it. This evil has not place in the lives of young boys or anyone for that matter. Do not allow these sick twisted individuals to dictate what your lives should and will be. I and every other Marine, Sailor, Soldier, Airmen, Coast Guard, and National Guardsman didn’t take an oath to defend the Constitution for nothing. This has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with perversion.
The homosexual movement isn’t done with the BSA. They will now use young impressionable minds to spread even further their sick twisted agenda throughout the Boy Scouts. Your support should stop for this organization and not fund any deviancy especially homosexuality. This is pure evil to say the least.
This evil lobby of homosexuals does not have science, law, or public opinion on their side. They only try and harass, use vulgarity, insults, most importantly “lies” and very often times violence against those to don’t accept their sick deviancy. Destruction and indoctrination—why else do you think they are invading every institution including schools, and now the Boy Scouts. The “Truth” is not being taught in sex education classes. The twisted homosexual lobby won’t allow it. I’m here to say enough.
Next the homosexuals are going after your daughters in the Girl Scouts. They are hell bent on destroying the “Family Unit,” and I will not allow it. I have been teaching my brothers and sisters children the evil that these sick twisted organizations are doing.
I am the “Tip of the Spear” on the front lines of this cultural war against our young people. I stand in as a representative of “CHRIST” against this evil spreading across our land and will defend fiercely. No one, not even the corrupt in government will stop me from exercising my rights as a ‘Christian’ and an ‘American.’
Parents, teach your children the “Truth” which is the Bible. Let no one lead them astray for if you do, you will reap judgment on yourself which in turn will affect them. Do not let anyone or anything walk over you, especially corrupt individuals in government or twisted organizations posing as good. They will meet swift judgment by the Almighty in due time.
The Boy Scouts of America is no longer what it once resembled. It is now the antithesis of what is once was, just like the military. These organizations are now in the throws of complete collapse and it will be up to the millions of Veterans across this nation to take a stand and cleanse it of the perverse and evil entities roaming throughout seeking to destroy. Molon Labe! Semper Fi!!!
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There is no way children are old enough or mature enough to know if they’re gay, straight, or something else.
I meant physical. That wasn’t clear?
You’re saying that the Nazis did not go after all known gay people? Really?
Who are you talking about?
I merely pointed out that in NY there have been a lot of recent physical attacks against gays, including murder. Gays are bad for a lot of things but they suffer far more physical violence than they administer. Is this a point of contention to you?
No. Just making a point.
They did. Those that disagreed with Hitler or were pro-Stalinists.
1900s - In Central Europe (Austria/Hungary/Germany) an informal hiking and camping society of young men emerged in the Wandervoegel (Wandering Youth) movement. Its goal was to revive the ancient Greek ideal of pedagogic pederasty. A substantial number of the Wandervoegel leaders were known homosexuals.
1922–1945 - The Wandervoegel movement became the core of the Hitler-Jugend (HJ, Hitler Youth). The HJ was the 2nd oldest paramilitary Nazi group (after the SA). Baldur von Schirach was appointed 'Reichsjugendführer' on 6/17/1933 and issued regulations after his inauguration which suspended or forbade existing all other youth organizations. The HJ was made up of the Hitlerjugend proper, for male youth aged 14 to 18 and the younger boys' section, Deutsches Jungvolk, for those aged 10 to 14. The Boy Scout movement and the Jünglingsverein, the German equivalent of the YMCA, were banned in Germany in 1934 and the HJ absorbed many of their members. The HJ appropriated many of Scouting’s activities, but changed its content and intention. The HJ were viewed as future "Aryan supermen" and were indoctrinated in anti-Semitism. One aim was to instill the motivation that would enable HJ members, as soldiers, to fight faithfully for the Third Reich. The HJ put more emphasis on physical and military training than on academic study. Some cruelty by the older boys toward the younger ones was tolerated and even encouraged, since it was believed this would weed out the unfit and harden the rest. The Evangelische Jugend, a Lutheran youth organization of 600,000 members, was integrated into the HJ on 2/18/1934 (The Lutheran Church was the state church of Germany at that time.). The "Gesetz über die Hitlerjugend" (law about the HJ) was passed on 12/01/1936 and required all eligible juveniles to be a member of the HJ or the BDM. Members had to be ethnic Germans, German citizens, and free of hereditary diseases.
The Bund Deutscher Mädel (BDM, League of German Maidens) was the girls' wing of the HJ. At 1st, the BDM consisted of 2 sections: the Jungmädel, or Young Girls League, for girls ages 10 to 14, and the League proper for girls ages 14 to 18. The BDM used campfire romanticism, summer camps, folklorism, tradition, and sports to educate girls within the National Socialist belief system, and to train them for their roles in German society: wife, mother, and homemaker. In 1938, a 3rd section was introduced, BDM-Werk Glaube und Schönheit (the Faith and Beauty Society), which was voluntary and open to girls between the ages of 17 and 21. It was intended to groom young women for marriage, domestic life, and future career goals. Ideally, girls were to be married and have children once they were of age, but importance was also placed on job training and education. The BDM instructed girls to avoid Rassenschande or racial defilement, which was treated with particular importance for young females. It also encouraged rebellion against parents.
Members of HJ and the BDM were lectured on the need to produce more children. Children born out-of-wedlock were not considered problematic. These and other behaviors taught by the HJ leadership led parents to complain that their authority was being undermined. In 1944, a group of parents complained to the court that the leaders of the BDM were openly telling their daughters to have illegitimate children. Public opinion attributed a great deal of sexual laxity to the members.
Membership in the HJ was seen as an important stepping stone for boys to future membership in the elite Schutzstaffel (SS, Protection Squadron or defense corps). By DEC 1936, HJ membership stood at just over 5 million. That same month, HJ membership became mandatory for Aryans. From then on, most of Germany's teenagers belonged to the HJ. By 1940, it had 8 million members. Most of the adult supervisors of the HJ were also Sturmabteilung (SA, Storm Detachment or Assault Division, also referred to as Brownshirts). The SA functioned as the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party. SA officers were almost exclusively homosexual. Ernst Röhm was a co-founder of the SA and later its commander. He was a notorious open homosexual. Adolf Hitler personally arrested Röhm and ordered the arrest of other SA leaders on 6/30/1934 in a plot to eliminate them, not because of their homosexuality, but as rivals to his consolidation of power. Historians later called this political purge, “The Night of the Long Knives.” They were all executed in prisons on 7/02/1934. Homosexual activity continued on into the war years when HJ boys frequently became victims of molestations at the hands of their SS tutors. The HJ was disbanded by Allied authorities as part of the denazification process after VE Day. Many adult leaders of the HJ were put on trial by Allied authorities, and Baldur von Schirach was sentenced to 20 years in prison. However, he was convicted of crimes against humanity for his actions as Gauleiter of Vienna, not his leadership of the HJ. The traditional scouting movement and YMCA were re-introduced in West Germany and Berlin after 1945. Today there are ~150 scouting associations in Germany.
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
1995 - Scott Lively’s and Kevin Abrams’ book, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, was published. Its theme was that “butch” homosexuals within the Nazi Party contributed to the extreme militarism and barbarism of Nazi Germany. The authors maintained that a key to understanding the cause of the German social collapse, which culminated in the atrocities of the Third Reich, was found in the conflict of Hellenic and Hebrew (Judeo-Christian) value systems. This war of philosophies, as old as Western civilization itself, pit the homoeroticism of the Greeks against the marriage-and-family-centered heterosexuality of the Jews. Although the Nazis included homosexuals in their persecutions (though at a much lower level than homosexualists contend), the homosexuals they persecuted were almost exclusively the effeminate members of the homosexual community (who they claimed were also very active in the communist party, and therefore political rivals) in Germany. Lively and Abrams also contended that much of the mistreatment in the concentration camps was administered by masculine homosexuals who despised effeminacy in all its forms. The book, and authors, have been subjected to heavy criticism from the homosexual lobby. Lively is an author, attorney, and activist, noted for his opposition to LGBTQ rights and his involvement in the ex-gay movement. He is the president of Abiding Truth Ministries, a conservative Christian organization located in Temecula, CA, and the former state director of the CA branch of the American Family Association. He is currently being sued in federal court in MA for inciting persecution of homosexuals during a Uganda speaking tour in 2009. The financial backer of the plaintiff is billionaire financier, 1-world government advocate, and financial donor to many left-wing causes, George Soros. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) designated Abiding Truth Ministries and The American Family Association as hate groups.
A couple of things.
The book you are quoting has been overwhelmingly discredited by historians. You could blame this on some sort of conspiracy, because thereis no other way to refute the historians.
More importantly, both of my parents are Holocaust survivors and my whole childhood was spent surrounded by other Holocaust survivors.
When this topic is brought up to them they laugh at the notion of homosexuality as being part of the core of Nazism. Just because homosexuality is bad does not mean it is to blame for things it has nothing to do with. The idea that a movement partially dedicated to wiping homosexuals out was homosexual in reality is a funny one.
If you believe that Nazis hated homosexuals and were homosexual, it sounds an awful like those on the left who claim that people against homosexuality are really afraid of homosexuals because of their own fears of their own homosexuality.
Now, the "attacks" may not be justified. The "attacks" might be tactically or strategically unwise. But that discussion obscures the larger issue.
There are no "heteros". That is a made-up queer propaganda word, intended to draw a false moral equivalency between normal humans and mentally deranged perverts.
There are no "gays". There are foul folk who have dedicated their miserable lives to fostering perversion, inflicting perversion on unsuspecting youth, and fundamentally transforming a relatively healthy society into a deranged, defiled orgy of self-destructive perversion.
Your precious, "oppressed" perverts are doing the same thing the NSDAP, the Bolsheviks, and the Maoists did. They are doing the same thing the islamists are doing now. They are trying to re-shape society in their own evil image.
it is certainly far less common for gays to attack heteros.
Again with the queer propaganda words ... Again with the attempt to paint militant perverts as victims. FAIL. Your precious perverts attack normal folk and normal society as a matter of course. Aside from the pederasty inherent to the queer lifestyle, the very existence of organized, militant perversion is an attack on normal society.
The attacks may not be justified? You sound a couple of rungs below a homosexual. Condoning violence against someone walking down the street, not bothering you, paints you as a total idiot and probably worse.
Again.
Tell me: do you agree with the current push to "queer" the Boy Scouts of America? Do you think Churches should permit active homosexuals to serve in ministry? Do you think that those who dedicate their lives to homosexual perversion should be permitted to adopt children? Do you approve of the public schools teaching children how to commit sodomy? Do you think that boys should be encouraged to think of themselves as girls? That girls should be encouraged to think of themselves as boys? Do you think that the military is enhanced or degraded by allowing sodomites to flaunt their foul behaviour in the ranks? What do you consider homosexual molestation or rape of children to be? Is that an attack?
Seriously ... if you're going to defend homosexuals and homosexuality at least be honest and open about what you're defending.
I choose to interpret the critics as saying that many historians disparaged, and a subset have vigorously attacked the book. A good rule of thumb is that if the Southern Poverty Law Center is shooting flak at you (as they did this book) then you are over the target. I think there is much worthwhile informatiion in the book. I do agree that the central premise is thought provoking and definitely swims against the tide. But as you said, how do you prove it or disprove it? Answer - more research.
I am well aware of contentious historical debates. I have read David Barton's, The Jefferson Lies and found it to be a compelling read. I also know that many historians have challenged it, including supposedly conservative Christian historians. Yes, it puts a shroud of doubt over some of the events in the book, but that should not totally discount the book. His footnotes were heavily documented. I take no offense if some disagree with his conclusions. I thought he made a persuasive case.
... More importantly, both of my parents are Holocaust survivors and my whole childhood was spent surrounded by other Holocaust survivors.
The co-author, Kevin Abrams, is Jewish. I am also somewhat aware of the impact the Holocaust had on the Jewish surviors. I found the comments below interesting ...
The Christianity Primer: Two Thousand Years of Amazing Grace – The History, Development, and Meaning of the Christian Religion. by the Rev. Dr. Paul Zahl, 1995.
Zahl is an ordained Episcopal minister who has since left the Episcopal Church of the U.S. and entered 1 of the Anglican continuing churches - because of his orthodox stand against normalizing homosexuality.
Chapter XXI The Twentieth Century: The Challenge of Three Formidable Problems
p. 295 JUDAISMS ENDURING NO
… Judaism’s enduring no (refusal to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God/ messiah) has never changed. Judaism has been strengthened immeasurably by the identity-renewing fact of the Holocaust and its political consequence, the creation of the state of Israel. The Christian significance of Judaism’s no has been worked out in changed doctrine for the Roman Catholics and sapped confidence for the Protestants. Large sectors of Christianity have lost their nerve as a result of Judaism’s negation. …
p. 286 The Catholic Church altered its teaching
… As a result of awareness of the Holocaust, the Catholic Church actually altered its historic teaching concerning Jews. Instead of saying that Jews needed to become Christians to be saved, Pope John Paul II instead declared just after the turn of the (21st) century that Jews have their own way to God and their own covenant and that these are just as valid for Jews as the New Covenant is for Christians. he was able with the stroke of a pen to declare null and void a position that his predecessors had taken from the earliest times. …
p. 295 … I predict that the next 30 years will see Christians needing to work very hard to absorb the impact of Jewish perspectives without giving up their own souls. The Southern Baptists, who have not compromised in relation to “Jewish evangelism,” may in fact end up carrying the soul of Bible Christianity for the rest of the Protestant churches during this era of Christian insecurity concerning the Person of Christ. …
When this topic is brought up to them they laugh at the notion of homosexuality as being part of the core of Nazism. ...
It is tough to argue with someone from an earlier generation who survived such an experience. I have family members who were growing up during POTUS FDR's watch, i.e., the Great Depression. They are die hard Democrats and still praise FDR. I have tried to present the evidence to them how FDR's administration was riddled with Soviet sympathizers and his policies prolonged the depression, but they just wave me off and inevitably say, "Hey, I was there - I lived through it." The point being that just because people live through an event, they do not have all, or even a majority of the information regarding the big picture.
Just because homosexuality is bad does not mean it is to blame for things it has nothing to do with. The idea that a movement partially dedicated to wiping homosexuals out was homosexual in reality is a funny one. If you believe that Nazis hated homosexuals and were homosexual, it sounds an awful like those on the left who claim that people against homosexuality are really afraid of homosexuals because of their own fears of their own homosexuality.
The central point the authors advance is that the Nazi butch homosexuals, who originated in the SA, were especially violent and vigorous in executing Hitler's Final Solution. I think there may be a kernel of truth to that. Not even the authors denied that homosexuals were targeted for placement in the extermination camps, just that their numbers were not as large as the homosexual lobby leads us to believe. While no authority, I am aware there are sub-cultures within the homosexuality community. Butch/fems, pitchers/catchers, etc., etc. It does strain credulity to state that there was a simple, natural divide within the German homosexual population where the butches were Nazis and the fems were communists.
What was more interesting to me, and how it applies to the Scouting Movement, were the histories the authors presented about the libertine nature of German society after WWI and how pederastry/homosexuality was becoming more open. Also, the rise of the Wandervoegel movement leading up to the creation of the Hitler Jugend and its oversight by the SA was very interesting, and convincing. I would like to know more about the nature of the SA and SS in regards to the Hitler Jugend between 1935-1945 and whether homosexuality remained prominent.
I already stated my opposition to what is going on with the Boy Scouts. Read before you type. Maybe it is a comprehension issue, though.
This does not alter that you have shown all that physically attacking a homosexual for no reason is acceptable behavior. My previous evaluation of you stands.
Objecting to the homosexual agenda is one thing. Condoning mindless violence is another. Perhaps you are Al Qaeda. See, it is easy to toss out nonsense in the hope that it sticks.
I have done no such thing; you on the other hand have now lied about me.
Are you a defender of homosexual perversion, in addition to being a liar?
I am quite thoroughly uninterested in your whining about homosexuals being "victims". On a much larger scale, homosexuals are molesters and rapists, and are among those who wish to destroy this formerly decent society. Until we are once again willing and able as a society to condemn homosexual perversion, homosexual molestation, and homosexual rape ... alleged "attacks" on homosexuals for allegedly "no reason" are among the least of our concerns.
More than a bit snippy. No, I have no recollection of specfically reading your comments regarding the BSA.
This does not alter that you have shown all that physically attacking a homosexual for no reason is acceptable behavior. My previous evaluation of you stands. Objecting to the homosexual agenda is one thing. Condoning mindless violence is another. Perhaps you are Al Qaeda. See, it is easy to toss out nonsense in the hope that it sticks.
I knew this "dialogue" had the potential to stray down the path where "fools rush in and angels fear to trod." You cannot find anything in my posts advocating violence towards homosexuals or anyone else for that matter because I don't believe in it. You are way, way off base with that accusation. Next time consider reading something other than Wikipedia before you mount your own digital "jihad".
He/she/it is still wrong ...
” Hitler youth attacked gays. They were not gay. “
Yes, they were. Study history. The SA were notorious homosexuals and had many outings alone for sodomy. Their leader Ernst Rohm was a known homosexual and outed after his demise.
Just wow. I suppose I got caught up in the moment. My sympathies.
No worries. Having been here since the turn of the century, I have developed a very thick skin.
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