Posted on 07/11/2013 6:27:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
Cruz on Texas Late-Term Abortion Ban: Without Life, There is No Pursuit of Happiness
I note that he glaringly left out the word "equal."
HuH? Virtually every point in that letter SUPPORTS Sen. Cruz’s position because an unbord child is undoubtably a person. The fact they can feel pain just proves that.
No. He supports “fetal pain” laws, which are immoral and unconstitutional.
Eternal Vigilence is on a crusade to attack all the prolifers.
No. I’m on a crusade to restore respect for the Declaration principles upon which our survival as a free republic depend.
Have fun storming the castle! :)
The legalization of abortion in the US was only as a safety valve for extreme conditions, not a convenience for narcissistic parents or an instrument of government policy for control of certain populations. It has been used to “adjust” the ratios of various ethnic groups or to support a political point of view, the “adjustments” having little to do with actual practice of liberty or pursuit of happiness.
You're missing the point. The point is....that this bill, by the very nature of it specifying WHEN (how old the fetus is) that you CANNOT have an abortion, it also implies WHEN you CAN have an abortion. I understand the purpose of the bill is to 'restrict' abortions, but by 'legislating' the WHEN ... you are affirming and legalizing the process prior to the WHEN.
So, inflicting pain on a baby after 20 weeks is “Moral”? You sir are a psychopath.
that’s directed at the Blog Pimp. Not you JC.
Unlike you and EV, I oppose Wendy and her minions.
Oops! Apologies!
Look around you and see the decay of our society. Do you wonder how we got here? It wasn’t done through sweeping changes overnight, it was done incrementally. That is the only way we are ever going to fix it. I don’t see how anyone could fail to support a step in the right direction simply because they don’t think the step is long enough.
The criteria for protection under the explicit provisions of the United States Constitution is not whether you can supposedly “feel pain.” It is whether or not you are a person.
“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.”
“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
So tell me, is the child under twenty weeks a person, or not?
If you have any regard for the oath to support the Constitution, that’s really the only question you have to answer in deciding whether to support these particular “laws.”
Exactly, less abortions to me means pro-life, this is a pro-life measure. One can argue but if one has an absolutist bill, fighting planned parenthood, the Democrats, Feminists tooth and nail, little is going to be accomplished imho.
The problem with your reasoning is that bills like this are not a step in the right direction. They are are giant step away from the moral, constitutional, and legal principles that argue against abortion.
There won’t be any less abortions, though. Under this law it is permissible to kill every single child.
You may not be familiar to the OP's history. Anyone who proposed an incremental change to abortion laws is some hideous monster because they do not join in the crusade to immediately make all abortions illegal.
As in, saving some lives is "immoral" since not all will be saved.
Many of us have the long-term identical objectives as the OP, but because we disagree with the path to achieve those objectives, we're apparently bad people.
Texas law already recognizes what is self-evident, that the child in the womb is an individual person:
Texas Penal Code, Title 1., Chapter 1., Sec. 1.07. — Texas Penal Code Title 5., Chapter 19., Sec. 19.02.
(26) “Individual” means a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth.
(49) “Death” includes, for an individual who is an unborn child, the failure to be born alive.
And this:
TITLE 5. OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON
CHAPTER 19. CRIMINAL HOMICIDE
Sec. 19.02. MURDER.
(b) A person commits an offense if he:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or
(3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, he commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual.
Sadly, when Rick Perry and the “pro-life” Republicans put that section in the Texas Code a decade ago, they also put in this:
Texas Penal Code, Title 5, Chapter 19, Sec. 19.06.
APPLICABILITY TO CERTAIN CONDUCT. This chapter does not apply to the death of an unborn child if the conduct charged is:
(1) conduct committed by the mother of the unborn child;
(2) a lawful medical procedure performed by a physician or other licensed health care provider with the requisite consent, if the death of the unborn child was the intended result of the procedure;
(3) a lawful medical procedure performed by a physician or other licensed health care provider with the requisite consent as part of an assisted reproduction as defined by Section 160.102, Family Code; or
(4) the dispensation of a drug in accordance with law or administration of a drug prescribed in accordance with law.
Added by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 822, Sec. 2.02, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.
So, all they have to do is strip out the latter portion, and voila, abortion is illegal everywhere in Texas.
Don’t be deceived. The bill that was just passed makes this situation even worse. It walks all over the first section, which is good, by creating a sub-class of sub-humans, based on the arbitrary and unreasonable notion that they can’t feel pain.
Please, don’t offer support to lawless laws that codify permission to murder innocents. All it does is surrender the moral, constitutional and legal argument against abortion.
Which assures the continuation of abortion on demand.
We now have forty years of experience, and fifty five million dead children, to prove it.
It's already legal. This bill restricts that current permissiveness, and is therefore a step in the right direction.
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