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Snowden: Putin’s Newest BF…Well..Until He’s Not
Political QRM ^ | June 24, 2013 | Ann Marie

Posted on 07/29/2013 7:22:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

The traitor to our country and NSA, Edward Snowden, is now making the rounds of the major Communist countries; China and Russia, with either Ecuador or Venezuela or possible Cuba being a final destination. Who knows, it may be someplace no one ever thought about.

For all of you who labeled him a hero, I must excuse your ignorance on national security issues. If you haven’t worked in the intelligence community, you have no idea the damage that this sniveling coward has done to the intelligence community’s efforts and endangered your life and those of your loved ones.. When both the Russian and Chinese governments are sheltering him, he must have a mother lode of information.

When he initially left the United States, his exodus to Hong Kong was labeled by those sympathetic to him as a hero fleeing possible torment by this government. But, why to Hong Kong, controlled by the Chinese? If he had indeed been a true NSA whistleblower, such as Bill Binnie, Russ Tice or Tom Drake..(they’re racking up, aren’t they?)….he would still be in the US. While I don’t condone the actions of the three named, I have to give them their due for not running away.

While in Hong Kong, no doubt visited and interrogated by Chinese intelligence, he is now as of this writing, in Moscow, where he will be similarly interrogated. These are not the actions of a whistleblower, but of one who is not only sympathetic to Communist countries but may well be working for an organization who is friendly to one or both of these countries. Whatever the real reason is for his defection, the United States doesn’t fare well under any circumstance.

The damage to our intelligence community and national security is immeasurable. The only thing we have gleaned from this is our security policy is lacking: miserably. Unfortunately, we’ll be paying a heavy price.

Our defense department and intelligence community, thanks to the efforts of the Obama administration are already weakened. Thanks to the politically correct programs enacted: women in combat, revocation of ’don’t ask, don’t tell’ , attacks on religious freedom, restrictions on engaging the enemy in combat, and so on..we’re on very shaky ground.

Snowden was obviously working with someone else; he had to have help, considering the path he took to our enemies. He probably would have given the information to the Taliban if he wasn’t scared they might kill him just for the heck of it using religious grounds as a reason.

His visit to Moscow is especially troubling. Vladimir Putin at this point is the only leader in the world that actually acts like one. Obama certainly doesn’t; he’s too busy bowing and scraping to every other leader in the world. Putin is taking full advantage of our latest intelligence fiasco; whether or not his government had a hand in the operation still remains to be seen.

However, in his quest to bring back a better, more powerful Soviet Union, he will take all he can get from any Y Generationer who is more interested in himself and not the larger picture. By taking in Snowden, Putin is telling us that he is smarter than we are, more powerful and our days as a superpower are limited.

Vladimir Putin was affected deeply by the break-up of the Soviet Union. It was the United States who brought his country to its knees and it has eaten at him. He’s the type of man that holds a grudge. His work in the KGB and then as head of the same under the new name: Federal Security Service (FSB) demonstrates that this man is devoted to the Marxist/Russian Communist theology.

His mission to widen the influence of Russia throughout the world is in full force. There are new oil and gas supply agreements with countries throughout Europe, and supplying Japan with gas from Sakhalin Island. New military cooperation agreements with not only old Soviet republics and the Mid-East but widening into South America and Central America put us into a secondary player role. These military cooperation agreements include not just weapons, aircraft and naval vessels, but in some cases, Russian military personnel.

This man is no fool. He is cold and calculating. By allowing Snowden into Russia, he is not only getting his hands on some very important intelligence information, he will use whatever he can to bring us to our knees, not only in our national security, but anyway he can. He is thumbing his nose at us and enjoying every minute of it. Snowden may be welcomed right now, but when he can no longer give continued valuable information, he’ll be discarded.

But by that time, the damage is done to our country.

This country must get serious about its national security. We must stop using our defense department and military as a venue for implementing social policy. Security clearances must be tightened, investigations of candidates for clearances must be more thorough. There must be concerted effort throughout DOD as a whole; not just NSA.

Of course, you also must have an administration that is serious about our national security.

And the Snowden affair is what you get when you don’t have one.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; putin; russia; snowden; whistleblower
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Is Snowden a pawn or a player?

Either way ultimately he is a looser.

1 posted on 07/29/2013 7:22:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

As our government extinguish freedom step by step we are all losers.


2 posted on 07/29/2013 7:27:35 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Amen.


3 posted on 07/29/2013 7:28:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DManA

I thought Ann Marie was a ditz played by Marlo Thomas in the 1960’s. I didn’t know she had turned into a Communist hack.


4 posted on 07/29/2013 7:30:19 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Texas Fossil

LOL QRM! I like it.


5 posted on 07/29/2013 7:32:38 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Good article.
Thanks for posting.


6 posted on 07/29/2013 7:37:45 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife
QRM

OK, choose. I'm thinking Q Code. How about you.

7 posted on 07/29/2013 7:41:08 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: mylife

A friend.


8 posted on 07/29/2013 7:41:30 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: InterceptPoint

Exactly.


9 posted on 07/29/2013 7:41:40 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: DManA

Agreed.


10 posted on 07/29/2013 7:41:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I’m waiting for the Snowden fans to jump in. Right now I’m listening to the crickets.


11 posted on 07/29/2013 7:42:02 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Texas Fossil

12 posted on 07/29/2013 7:42:13 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Luke21

Do what? You must have mis read.


13 posted on 07/29/2013 7:42:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: InterceptPoint

yes, Hams


14 posted on 07/29/2013 7:43:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Well, if he’s loose, he should tighten up. Really.

Snowden’s actions thus far seem to be those of a patriot. He let his fellow citizens know that they were being UNLAWFULLY SPIED ON. By their own government.

There will be hell to pay, but I think he did the RIGHT thing.


15 posted on 07/29/2013 7:44:43 PM PDT by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
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To: mylife

16 posted on 07/29/2013 7:46:14 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Three days of the Condor”

Higgins:
Oh, you... you poor dumb son of a bitch. You’ve done more harm than you know.

Joe Turner:
I hope so.

[last lines]

Higgins: Hey, Turner! How do you know they’ll print it? You can take a walk. But how far if they don’t print it?

Joe Turner: They’ll print it.

Higgins: How do you know?


17 posted on 07/29/2013 7:46:31 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Don W

He chose his path in error.

Exposure is one thing. This is another.


18 posted on 07/29/2013 7:47:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: InterceptPoint

The poor dumb son of a bitch thought he could make a difference.


19 posted on 07/29/2013 7:48:01 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Maybe 10 years ago he could have. Maybe 20.


20 posted on 07/29/2013 7:49:12 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Texas Fossil

bookmark


21 posted on 07/29/2013 7:49:26 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Texas Fossil

>>>His mission to widen the influence of Russia throughout the world is in full force. There are new oil and gas supply agreements with countries throughout Europe, and supplying Japan with gas from Sakhalin Island. New military cooperation agreements with not only old Soviet republics and the Mid-East but widening into South America and Central America put us into a secondary player role. These military cooperation agreements include not just weapons, aircraft and naval vessels, but in some cases, Russian military personnel.<<<

What influence? Russian economic power is at least 7 times shorter than of US, it’s population is twice shorter.


22 posted on 07/29/2013 7:51:13 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Texas Fossil

she is an obama advocate

Thank God Snowden let all of us know the government listens to all of our calls to mama for its own perverted entertainment, that’s what I say


23 posted on 07/29/2013 7:51:55 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Texas Fossil

“looser” ???

Are you series?


24 posted on 07/29/2013 7:52:59 PM PDT by Alex in chains
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To: cunning_fish

it’s population is twice shorter.

And shrinking. They are committing voluntary genocide.


25 posted on 07/29/2013 7:53:40 PM PDT by DManA
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To: cunning_fish

Russia is establishing a presence right in Venezuela.


26 posted on 07/29/2013 7:54:01 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: yldstrk
she is an obama advocate

NO WAY! Jose.

27 posted on 07/29/2013 7:54:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: yldstrk

Believe me they are not.


28 posted on 07/29/2013 7:55:00 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Tell me: If YOU had access to this type if information, and knew full well that the “powers that be” would do ANYTHING to quash its dissemination, including assassination, would YOU stick around?

Or would you just try to leak bits and pieces from what you think is a secure location?

Or would you just sit on it, hoping (vainly) that someone ELSE had the cojones to spill the beans?


29 posted on 07/29/2013 7:57:05 PM PDT by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
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To: Don W

He did not have to leak it directly.

In that community there are people who would love to expose Obozo’s abuses. Those on the edge of it, not bound by legal agreements could handle it.

Remnember several journalists that played that game in the past.

There are a lot of X-Mil people who would love to help someone like this.

I think he chose poorly his options.


30 posted on 07/29/2013 8:01:53 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Things that make you go Hmmmmm.....

What I find very curious is the way none of this has stuck to Obama.

How Snowden made a Beeline to the Communists.


31 posted on 07/29/2013 8:04:53 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife
Now the question, who is actually conducting the searches of the data?

The NSA? The DHS? The CIA? The Netroots? The puke Obots?

If Obozo co opted the data from the NSA for his own database on every citizen and aimed the result at his political opponents, when will Congress act to halt this.

It is clear that Obozo used the IRS against his enemies. That obviously originated in the White Hut. I am sure with no absolute proof that Obozo himself directed it.

What would he do with this tool?

Is this why the Congress is silent? Does he have that much on every congressman?

The Hoover FBI under LBJ did exactly that. Using paper though.

Obozo is pure Evil.

32 posted on 07/29/2013 8:10:43 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: yldstrk
she is an obama advocate

I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that. You have to balance whatever good that Snowden may have done against the damage he has done to our national security.

The good is easily seen. The damage is much more difficult to assess. But it is there, perhaps in spades, as the author obviously believes.

You should read the article again and the info on Ann-Marie below. You might change your mind about her being an Obama supporter. There is very little chance of that.

Political QRM - Ann-Marie

33 posted on 07/29/2013 8:13:37 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Texas Fossil

Snowden let us know that our government is not much different from the KGB run soviet government, at least that is where they(our government) want to take us. They’ve told us in 100 subtle ways over the last 10 years, and boldly/blatantly to our faces since Obama came into office, that being a tyrannical oppressive communist power is their goal. Having a strong KGB/Stasi type national security agency spying on its own citizens is a necessary tactical ability to achieve complete tyranny over us.

If anyone really believes our strength and security as a country are dependent on having a spy/intelligence agency like NSA they are sadly mistaken. The types of things going on in our country means that Putin doesn’t have to do anything, we are already there.

Our strength as a country depend on the inner moral character and spiritual strength of our citizens, coupled with a a true patriotism formed from our citizens being taught our true history, the Biblical foundations of liberty, and what our constitution really says, and a belief that it still works. With all that, we cannot be overtaken. Without it (which is where I believe we are now) no “intelligence” agency is capable of defending us from the treasonous sellouts that inevitably take positions of power when a country falls into moral anarchy.


34 posted on 07/29/2013 8:13:48 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: InterceptPoint

I’m waiting for the Snowden critics to admit and acknowledge Snowden Himself said he was neither hero or Traitor but a pissed American.

Crickets, yourself.


35 posted on 07/29/2013 8:14:26 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: InterceptPoint

And by the way, I’m not listening anymore to people who don’t understand data systems, no matter how much I respect them on other issues.


36 posted on 07/29/2013 8:16:47 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: Texas Fossil

I am sure it is NSA.
I think it is hilarious that DARPA invents the internet and everyone is shocked to learn that the Gov knows how to pry into everything you do on it.

People love them some GPS which was developed my the Gov and they are shocked that the Gov knows where you are.

Obama love him some surveillance.


37 posted on 07/29/2013 8:17:51 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: boxlunch

Clearly and well stated.

I agree totally.

And it is frightening.

It is in God’s hands at this point. It has been on several occasions in our nations history. The founders understood the action of divine providence.


38 posted on 07/29/2013 8:19:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: txhurl
I’m waiting for the Snowden critics to admit and acknowledge Snowden Himself said he was neither hero or Traitor but a pissed American.

I'll admit it. If he said he said it. That doesn't speak to his judgement, just his beliefs. They may have been quite honorable in his own mind. He saw a problem and he thought he saw a way of fixing that problem. The question is was the damage done worth it. Maybe. Maybe not. We don't know yet but I'm leaning on the side that it wasn't worth it.

Opinions on that subject will differ. That's what forums are for. That's where we discuss those differences.

39 posted on 07/29/2013 8:20:05 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Texas Fossil
The damage to our intelligence community and national security is immeasurable. The only thing we have gleaned from this is our security policy is lacking: miserably. Unfortunately, we’ll be paying a heavy price.

What damage would that be? That our intelligence community is spying on us and storing all our data? (hey, NSA!)

Snowden was obviously working with someone else; he had to have help, considering the path he took to our enemies. He probably would have given the information to the Taliban if he wasn’t scared they might kill him just for the heck of it using religious grounds as a reason.

Oh, please, what a drama queen.
40 posted on 07/29/2013 8:20:19 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: boxlunch

See post #2 at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2619313/posts


41 posted on 07/29/2013 8:24:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Girlene

The point was, the ability to use the system on our foreign enemies (and friends) has been compromised.

No, it is neither constitutional or right to spy on citizens in this manner.

And your statement about the author is simply wrong.


42 posted on 07/29/2013 8:27:51 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: InterceptPoint
There is very little chance of that.

ZERO, Zilch, Nada.

43 posted on 07/29/2013 8:29:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: yldstrk

Click “about” at the top of the webpage.


44 posted on 07/29/2013 8:32:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil

That sounds correct.
NSA Linguist.


45 posted on 07/29/2013 8:34:41 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: dfwgator

Snowden caused all the spying on people! he was the one who set it all up and when he is caught and in jail it will stop. the MSM wants you to think he is the cause—he isn’t he just exposed what the Government was doing all the time. His fate—is sealed but the truth can not be blotted out.


46 posted on 07/29/2013 8:39:02 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: mylife

It is correct.


47 posted on 07/29/2013 8:40:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Fascinating Woman.


48 posted on 07/29/2013 8:41:26 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Texas Fossil
"Ann Marie" (The author): For all of you who labeled him a hero, I must excuse your ignorance on national security issues. If you haven’t worked in the intelligence community, you have no idea the damage that this sniveling coward has done to the intelligence community’s efforts and endangered your life and those of your loved ones..

Really?? Prove it, you arrogant, blustering, fascist microphone-sucking, tool-of-the-state!

This country must get serious about its national security.

By violating the 4th Amendment Rights of 300 million Americans? BS.

"Serious" would have been preventing the Boston Massacre. "Serious" would be preventing the Illegal Invasion of 30 million Mexicans. "Serious" would be a moratorium on Muslim immigration.

Ann Marie, you are plainly FOS.

49 posted on 07/29/2013 8:42:31 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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50 posted on 07/29/2013 8:44:01 PM PDT by caww
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