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How to serve a warrant: 1972 versus today, by Lt. Harry Thomas
Police State USA ^ | August 15, 2013 | Lt. Harry Thomas

Posted on 08/17/2013 8:41:22 AM PDT by bamahead

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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I have heard a lot of the older policemen say that.

Back then if you heard of the police killing someone, you could rest assured that they deserved it, in other words, they did not have a choice.

Now, anytime one of them looks at you, and "I feel my life is in danger" your ass is gone.

21 posted on 08/17/2013 10:42:43 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

SWAT Teams are what happens when Andy take the bullet out of his pocket.


22 posted on 08/17/2013 11:04:18 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

SWAT teams are what happens when Andy lets Barney take the bullet out of his pocket.


23 posted on 08/17/2013 11:05:36 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: bamahead

Don’t forget to say “oops” when you find out your in the wrong house. The real criminal heard everything and has been busy at the toilet.


24 posted on 08/17/2013 4:35:03 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“A city had a newly elected liberal government, that was pretty much anti-police, making their ROE impossibly strict, and in the face of a particularly nasty and violent criminal element, risking the lives of the police and the public. However, someone in the PD came up with an effective end-around to the problem.”

Something cops should remember when they choose to get crazy. Eventually they’ll piss off enough people for someone to run on an anti-cop ticket.
Police power is not handed down from God, but at the sufferance of the people.


25 posted on 08/17/2013 4:53:44 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan

I don’t think the liberals ran on an anti-police ticket. They just naturally did not like the police, and it was just one of the liberal things they did that fouled up that city until they were kicked out.

Liberals really have no tact or common sense.


26 posted on 08/17/2013 5:20:50 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Another reason for decriminalizing drugs.

How about decriminalizing cops first...?

27 posted on 08/17/2013 5:29:15 PM PDT by Popman
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I’m just saying cops should start watching out how they treat the public, or they could well see officials with no sympathy for the cop view point at all.
If more people were paying attention to what cops are really doing, it would have happened already.

“Liberals really have no tact or common sense.”
Nor do cops.


28 posted on 08/17/2013 5:57:00 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: bamahead
There is no doubt about it. Our law enforcement agencies on a local and state level need to be demilitarized. All raids except ones involving a hostage situation should be conducted in Patrolman Uniform. Raids should only be allowed for apprehending violent felons and if possible at a time when only the wanted is in the location.

Under penalty of perjury all warrants should be sworn statements that a witnessed offense has occurred. A Paid Snitch should not be considered a reliable source. Multiple methods should be required to determine & confirm the correct address and current occupants of address. No exceptions.

All military attire, equipment, vehicles, aircraft, and weapons except a secured armory with a limited number of fully automatic rifles let's say 5% vs number on force should taken away. A cop should be allowed a service sidearm and even a back up sidearm, a shotgun, and a semi automatic rifle kept in patrol car. ALL Vehicles engaging in traffic stops and responding to calls at residence should be marked patrol cars with light bar and uniformed officer. With the newer low profile lightbars the day of the unmarked car should be over except for stake outs etc.

Most federal agencies such as the EPA, FDA, Dept of AG, Dept of Interior except for park rangers, BLM, and many others should not be allowed to have their own police force except in cases of actual bonified national security. Others such as TVA where power plants are being guarded should be armed and have full jurisdiction limited to the facility and property itself unless in actual active persuit. The IRS does not need a police force either. Most agencies do not need to be in law enforcement.

All officers should upon being hired be required or the agency hiring be required to post a minimal $500,000 bond for liability purposes with the agency matching that bond. Under no circumstances except where life inside a residence is at risk should a raid occur at night after 8:00PM.

Under criminal penalty any LEO conducting a raid on a wrong place of residence as in wrong address or person moved many weeks ago should personally be held fiscally liable for damages and any mental anguish etc suffered and dismissed with a five year ban on working as a LEO. Employment after that should required a complete re-certification including academy.

Any officers conducting a raid on a wrong address or wrong persons residence resulting in physical injury or death of innocent persons inside should be held criminally responsible up too and including murder charges and should be banned from LEO for life.

All property forfeitures should only be allowed after criminal conviction and all proceeds from sale given to non profit non law enforcement and non judical connected community services and victim compensation with victim compensation being priority. Property seizures and forfeitures should not be a source of acquiring revenue, equipment, etc by law enforcement agencies or governments. If Officer Friday pulls over Joe Public and Joe Public has let's say $50,000 cash even if a dog hits on Joe's cash {which most money is tainted} Officer Fridays should not be allowed to take that cash unless other very overwhelming evidence is present and warrant is sworn and served.

Law enforcement agencies on all levels have damaged their own professional integrity and as a result ahve lost public trust. As such they need to be the ones to show the public corrections in their policies. I can take $10 to a Flea Market and buy a black Tee shirt with police agency logo. So can a criminal. Patrol uniforms with agency ID and badge are a lot harder to come by.

I know there are some good dedicated cops out there who go about their job in a professional manner and when approaching the public use The Golden Rule. This post was not directed at such as they.

29 posted on 08/17/2013 7:22:47 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Safetgiver
The refusal of the SWAT team could definitely be construed as an assassination attempt. “A paramilitary law enforcement unit,” should never be considered. When I couldn’t serve a warrant, I sometimes called the house and the wife, mother, girlfriend would answer. I’d ask “Where is Joe?” I dunno. “You tell him we had a welfare/ tax/ insurance check delivered here at the PD and we don’t appreciate getting mail from all over town. If he doesn’t get it the next eight hours, I’ll throw it away.” I was usually booking him within an hour. That is being a Peace Officer. (They aint’ real bright.)

LOL I love it. You get perp out of his element on your turf and most important away from his house and other innocents.

30 posted on 08/17/2013 7:42:34 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: bamahead

“They can simply seize it on probable cause and in many cases that have nothing to do with drugs.”

The gov hates cash, because cash refuses to produce data that can be collected by the NSA. That’s why they’ll soon will force you to use electronic banking, credit- or debit cards only. So total surveillance can be guaranteed.

Just like france and italy already did. They prohibited cash transactions above 1000€ by law. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/02/14/france-plans-to-prohibit-cash-payments-over-e1000/

It’s only a matter of time for these laws to show up in the US.


31 posted on 08/18/2013 12:10:18 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: Secret Agent Man
no, another reason for geting rid of swat teams altogether.

I'd support the death penmalty for any member of a swat team.

32 posted on 08/19/2013 3:37:53 PM PDT by zeugma (Be a truechimer, not a falseticker!)
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To: FBD

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33 posted on 11/28/2013 5:11:43 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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