Posted on 09/02/2013 9:58:26 AM PDT by xzins
I get it. You’re saying the Constitution is irrelevant. You and Obama agree.
being born on the soil, as per American law, allows the baby native born citizenship. of course, since the baby’s parents are both citizens of mexico (for example), the baby would also be able to claim mexican citizenship
therefore, the baby can be a citizen of TWO countries
this would make the kid a native born American... but not natural born
a natural born citizen is one that is a citizen naturally... AS THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES
Madison commented in his presidency that children born to citizens (citizen father automatically bestowed citizenship to the mother via marriage in that era) at sea or temporarily abroad were to be considered ‘natural born’.
The idea is that American citizens maintain a ‘domicile’ on US or US controlled/possessed soil and are able to maintain a ‘residence’ abroad. For purposes of immigration, ‘domicile’ and ‘residence’ are legally distinct terms.
It is clear the fact that Cruz was born in Canada does not render him ineligible to be president because his mother was there for work, not for immigration to Canada. In other words, her domicile was in the USA while her residence was temporarily in Canada.
Where Ted Cruz gets hung in this is that it was not his father who was an American citizen at the time of his birth nor was his father automatically bestowed with citizenship via marriage to his citizen mother.
What is needed is a law with retroactive and prospective provisions that clearly address the distinction of ‘natural born’ versus ‘citizen by birth’.
It was John Jay’s letter to General George Washington that requested a higher bar for the presidency when the Constitution was being drafted and resulted in ‘natural born’ meaning ‘second generation’ as a requirement for the presidency.
John Jay was clearly concerned that a President as Commander-in-Chief must be loyal and have allegiance to the United States because a person with divided loyalties and muddled allegiance would have command of the Army and hence would be in a position to become a tyrant.
I am persuaded that Barack Obama has divided loyalties and muddled allegiance to the United States.
But with Cruz, it is clear he is American through and through in spirit, loyalty and allegiance.
actually, that's British law. it's called 'British by descent'... which is why i'm able to pick up my UK passport if so desired
in order to insure their child is a natural born citizen, both parents would have to renounce any non-US citizenship and become US citizens before the child's birth.
otherwise the child would be a native born US citizen ... AND ... a Swiss citizen (using your example, tho i'm pretty sure the swiss don't see it that way)
The very phrasing used screams Blackstone and British law. And the comments of representatives in the first congress clearly indicate British law and Blackstone.
It’s a slam dunk.
Link to source that documents accompanying recognition please.
During Suffrage the passage of citizenship to ones child included women.
I think my response was in clear English.
“If you are a U.S. citizen at birth, you are a U.S. citizen — regardless of how many other nationalities and citizenships you might be eligible for.”
You are correct about being a “U.S. citizen at birth” BUT, being a U.S. citizen at birth does not mean that you are Article II eligible to the presidency. For that, you have to ALSO meet the requirements of “natural born Citizen”. Born in the country by two citizen parents.
I CAN’T BELIEVE that anyone can believe that someone BORN in a foreign country, is eligible to be president. This just shows the IGNORANCE of some otherwise intelligent people. The Constitution is clear (having removed “citizen” and replaced it with “natural born Citizen”). The framers were CLEAR about the presidency “devolving to a foreigner”.
Get REAL, Cruz is NOT eligible, there is no doubt on this.
Someone I know told me that Ireland claims or allows Irish citizenship for the children and grandchildren of their citizens who deny previous citizenship and accept U.S. citizenship. Question, when naturalized you do have to deny or something to that effect your former citizenship, don’t you? Anyway because this friends parents are naturalized U.S. citizens from Ireland, both her and her siblings along with all of their children are either considered Irish citizens or eligible for a “dual” Irish citizenship. Question, Do dual citizens pay taxes to both of the nations they pay allegiance to?
Cruz is a natural born citizen.
The truth is that a mother is an easier proof of lineage than is a father. I believe that “Jewishness” is passed through Mothers and not Fathers.
Cruz is a natural born citizen if Obama guard dog Fx News decides that he is a natural born citizen. (sarcasm, but probably what we can expect)
Also natural born is a job qualifier. All citizens are equal, yet those whose have no other nation laying claim to their allegiance are allowed to be Commander in Chief because they have no ties legal or symbolic to any other nation.
assuming ireland is ok with offering citizenship to your friends, they would be able to hold dual citizenship... US and Ireland.
while living in the US, they would pay only US taxes.
if they moved to Ireland, they would pay Irish taxes ... AND ... US taxes.
the US is the only country in the world to require its citizens pay taxes no matter where they reside (while ignoring the illegals in the country sucking down resources... total bullsh*t)
to avoid having to pay the absurd taxes while living overseas, a US citizen would have to renounce their citizenship (more utter bullshit)
Sten says it best :
‘youre a natural born citizen if there are no alternatives.’
Obumbo - can be British, or Kenyan, or USA
Cruz - can be Cuban, Canadian, USA
Jindal - can be Indian, USA
etc etc.
Almost all USA presidents, except Chester Arthur, had/have no alternatives - they were/are citizens of USA only, they were born in USA to USA citizen parents, they were/are natural born citizens.
Look at obumbo’s own account of his citizenship (he has lots of alternatives)-
first he claimed to be Kenyan, then he claimed to be USA.
Anyway, he admits to the whole world that he was born to a British citizen (later Kenyan) father. If you go by the British laws on citizenship - any child born to a British subject father anywhere in the world is a natural born citizen of Britain! So obumbo is a natural born citizen of Britain; NOT a natural born citizen of USA!
USA citizenship laws are different from those of the Brits (why do you think they split from Britain?)
A natural born citizen of USA cannot be also a Natural born citizen of Britain!
read the Blackstone quote.
And the children of citizen of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States
Citizens is plural. The Constitution stated that only a natural born citizen could be President, in order to prevent any possibility of divided loyalty.
So, you’re saying that you agree with anchor babies having full US Citizenship. Those who say that don’t think that what they’re saying results in Anwar al Awlaki’s US born kids running for the presidency.
Accepting anchor babies means Anwar’s kids born in the USA are more NBC than is Ted Cruz.
So is children. "Children of citizens" is referring to the entire body of cases. That interpretation is better because the line you quoted goes on to say that only the father has to have been resident in the USA.
That is one parent.
It said: "...all children, born out of the king's ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain."
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