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VIRGINIA'S CATHOLIC BISHOPS SAY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT 'LAWBREAKERS'
breitbart.com ^ | 18 Oct 2013, | DR. SUSAN BERRY

Posted on 10/18/2013 5:56:18 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

Having been cued by President Obama that his attention will now turn to immigration reform, some Catholic bishops are revving up their campaign to demand that Congress grant amnesty to at least 11 million illegal immigrants. In an op-ed in the Richmond Times-Dispatch entitled “Who Is My Neighbor?” Virginia’s bishops criticized Americans who claim illegal immigrants are “lawbreakers.” Bishops Francis DiLorenzo of Richmond and Paul Loverde of Arlington wrote, “Many regard the undocumented immigrants among us as lawbreakers, when instead we are all challenged to embrace them as fellow children of God, deserving of the same dignity that we ourselves enjoy.” Unlike the model that welcomed our parents, grandparents or great-grandparents to these shores in the last century or before, current policy does not adequately or realistically address the need for visas. Living in this comparatively prosperous, peaceful nation, many Americans seem unaware of the desperate situations that lead people to enter or remain in the country illegally. Around the globe, people yearn for better lives, a chance to escape poverty, jobs to feed their families, reunion with their kin or life in a country free of war. Arguing that “immigration reform will strengthen Virginia socially and economically,” the bishops claim that, regardless, a “path to citizenship” should be accomplished simply “because it is the right thing to do.”

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KEYWORDS: aliens; catholic; criminalaliens; illegals; immigration; va; virginia
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Bendezu referred to attaining legal citizenship as only “a piece of paper.” --This total disrespect for our country and cheapens citizenship.
1 posted on 10/18/2013 5:56:18 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Great idea, Padre. Why not get on the bus to Mexico and tell their immigration officers that.


2 posted on 10/18/2013 5:59:21 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Yes they are.

So there.


3 posted on 10/18/2013 6:01:27 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I’m sure Mexicans feel exactly that way about Guatemalans. Welcome. Come on in. Make yourself at home.


4 posted on 10/18/2013 6:02:05 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Yes they are lawbreakers, they are foreign criminal invaders


5 posted on 10/18/2013 6:03:40 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: moonshinner_09

It’ll be interesting to see, if Obama starts the amnesty push with a lot of noise in the media, if Pope Francis will stick his big nose in and give the typical socialist response in favor of Obama’s plan. He has a big mouth, bigger than all these Bishops.


6 posted on 10/18/2013 6:06:00 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: moonshinner_09

Then I say this man is not a man of God.


7 posted on 10/18/2013 6:09:00 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Murderers are children of God, too. I don’t want to embrace them too closely though.


8 posted on 10/18/2013 6:09:35 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Try going into any other country illegally and see what happens.


9 posted on 10/18/2013 6:11:49 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: bmwcyle

You know, the more you look at them the more it is apparent that the elites, and I count the religious elites, all seem to think alike. They hang out together and their ideas rub off on each other. Et tu Brute.


10 posted on 10/18/2013 6:13:17 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: moonshinner_09

FUVCB’s


11 posted on 10/18/2013 6:14:30 PM PDT by Post5203 (Please name me a sucessful city or country run by a "person of color".)
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To: cradle of freedom

Their mission is about their ego and not about the Holy Spirit.


12 posted on 10/18/2013 6:15:15 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Well, here's one law that we're dealing with:
18 USC § 1028 - Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information
(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section—


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(3) knowingly possesses with intent to use unlawfully or transfer unlawfully five or more identification documents (other than those issued lawfully for the use of the possessor), authentication features, or false identification documents;
(4) knowingly possesses an identification document (other than one issued lawfully for the use of the possessor), authentication feature, or a false identification document, with the intent such document or feature be used to defraud the United States;


(snip)

shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is—


(snip)



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(6) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.

In 2007, there were 1.8 million tax returns filed using so-called "Individual Tax Identification Numbers" (SSANs for non-resident aliens). So for the rest of the 15 million or so illegals...either:

So, not a crime, Bishops?

13 posted on 10/18/2013 6:15:50 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: moonshinner_09
The US Catholic Bishops are pro amnesty

They also have been some of the biggest backers of socialized medicine.

Liberation theology is alive and well in the US Catholic church.

14 posted on 10/18/2013 6:16:29 PM PDT by what's up
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To: bmwcyle

So true. Didn’t Jesus have many encounters with the religious leaders of his day who loved being looked up to by other people?


15 posted on 10/18/2013 6:16:58 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: moonshinner_09

Gosh, a Bishop says it, so it must be true.

Um, not.


16 posted on 10/18/2013 6:18:08 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: moonshinner_09

Well this Catholic has two words for these two bishops and their initials are BS. Just one more reason why bishops get little respect from the Catholics in the pews.


17 posted on 10/18/2013 6:18:14 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: CdMGuy

The Catholic clergy seem to be quite chummy with the “Catholic” Democrat politicians.


18 posted on 10/18/2013 6:22:11 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: moonshinner_09
Catholic bishops are revving up their campaign to demand that Congress grant amnesty to at least 11 million illegal immigrants.

First lie constantly forced on us night and day, 11 million illegal immigrants. In absolutely no form or fashion are there only 11 million illegal immigrants. AT LEAST 28 million illegal immigrants are in this nation. I promise.

19 posted on 10/18/2013 6:28:40 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

And if they are legalized they will be allowed to bring other family members here legally.

We are talking about the end of the US as we know it.


20 posted on 10/18/2013 6:30:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: moonshinner_09

The Catholics just aren’t big on that “national sovereignty” thing, are they?


21 posted on 10/18/2013 6:31:11 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I used to be a Catholic... This, along with other liberal stances, is why I ran from that church once I became an adult.


22 posted on 10/18/2013 6:33:18 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: markomalley

This is an excellent summary. Have you shared it with your bishop?


23 posted on 10/18/2013 6:35:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (USCCB Delenda Est.)
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To: moonshinner_09

the problem today is that we’ve remove ridicule from society

there was a time when you’d say something this stupid, you’d be laughed out of whatever position you held.

it’s almost as stupid as saying raising the debt ceiling won’t ... raise the debt

we just need to start sternly saying one word when they talk:

MORON


24 posted on 10/18/2013 6:47:43 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This is an excellent summary. Have you shared it with your bishop?

No, I haven't shared it with Cardinal Wuerl. Next time I see him and have a chance to talk to him, I'll do so.

25 posted on 10/18/2013 6:47:46 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: moonshinner_09
Whatever happen to "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"[Matthew 22:21]

This phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity and secular authority.

26 posted on 10/18/2013 6:47:55 PM PDT by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: moonshinner_09

What about some of 9/11 hijackers or other terrorists who overstayed their visas? “Not lawbreakers”. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....kay.


27 posted on 10/18/2013 6:56:30 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Impeach We Much!)
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To: what's up; rfp1234
Liberation theology is alive and well in the US Catholic church.

What about some of 9/11 hijackers or other terrorists who overstayed their visas?

This needs to be exposed/explained...along with the hypocrisy of the 9/11 and other terrorists, illegal criminals, etc.

28 posted on 10/18/2013 7:05:01 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: moonshinner_09

They have a new organization: Catholic Bishops for More Pro-Abortion Voters.


29 posted on 10/18/2013 7:11:03 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Dolan already says the Pope endorses the U.S. bishops’ conference’s promotion of more illegal aliens.

Catholic Bishops for More Pro-Abortion Voters.


30 posted on 10/18/2013 7:12:11 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: moonshinner_09

So breaking laws does not make you a law breaker?


31 posted on 10/18/2013 7:17:53 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go tave atteno sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: markomalley
:o/
32 posted on 10/18/2013 7:23:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (USCCB Delenda Est.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I p[ray that these Bishops do not drive me from my Church, but Damn, They sure are testing my faith with their BS.


33 posted on 10/18/2013 7:24:57 PM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: what's up
Yes, it is.
As long as somebody else (usually non-Catholics) pay for it!

The anarchists are not the TEA Party citizens of the USA.

It is the wild eyed, self righteous zealots who truly believe that whenever they lie, cheat and steal for their cause, it is neither illegal or sinfull, because THEY are the truly compassionate, forced into being thieves, doing the will of God.
Or in the case of avowed atheists, redistributing wealth and power in a fair and compassionate manner.

In both categories, these enlightened ones are elected as leaders in their groups, by their groups of members.
And those not in the group are all wrong and/or evil...

34 posted on 10/18/2013 7:26:46 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I think the Catholic Church should do away with Bishops.

Who needs them?


35 posted on 10/18/2013 7:29:35 PM PDT by miserare (Fire Eric Holder!)
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To: markomalley

Disturbing that the only way is the amnesty way, according to usccb, and never a word of regard given to the concerns of working Catholics who respected Ellis Island, took in people from all over the world, nursed them in Catholic hospitals, educated them in Catholic schools, fed them and taught them English in Catholic charities. Catholics respect the Constitution, understand sovereignty, law and justice, and are not buying this crap, nor are they willing to lay down for lawlessness, in the name of whatever charitable sounding act these particular bishops stick on it.

This is chaos, disorder and license, plain and simple, and it’s robbery of the people of God on whose back these law breakers ride.

We already see what collapse this open borders business has cost in lives, politics and the economy, in the lack of law enforcement and assimilation requirements and virtually no production requirements above lettuce picking.

Speak to THAT good bishops! Outrageous.


36 posted on 10/18/2013 7:34:40 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Possibly the bottom line maybe in simple dollars and cents. I have seen especially in Canada various support groups for illegal immigrants,coupled with dubious claimants, as refugees this kind of thing.

They then sit back and let the ramifications of easy entry effect others. For it is the lower income groups that are generally affected. They find themselves thrust into close proximity with those who often then push and shove. The lower income people may be able to move, but if they are unable they may be stuck with an unpleasant situation.

I understand that in Lewiston, Maine, the exodus of Somali nationals from Georgia for easier welfare benefits reached 6,000 persons. Church authorities were in part responsible.

Just see if these authorities would actively guarantee housing etc. Just see if they would put up a bond of so many dollars per person.

No, they would quickly fade into the shadows.

37 posted on 10/18/2013 7:40:36 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: bmwcyle
Then I say this man is not a man of God.

Obviously not, he's a Catholic priest.

38 posted on 10/18/2013 7:46:43 PM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: moonshinner_09

Archbishop Dolan had a disgusting op-ed in the WSJ today in which he lumped those who go to the archdiocese for help with getting their citizenship with the illegals who hang around in certain places waiting for illegal day work.

He just segued from one to the other without a breath.

I read that Colbert creamed him last night at the Alfred Smith dinner. Going to watch it on youtube right now if I can find it. Said he looked like a matador who had let himself go.


39 posted on 10/18/2013 7:46:48 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: moonshinner_09

Don’t we already have a “path to citizenship?”


40 posted on 10/18/2013 7:47:15 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: Venturer

These bishops have nothing to do with my Catholic faith. The Church neither rose nor shall it fall by their hand. “We struggle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of this dark age.”
Ephesians 6.

The Church shall not be spared my dear friend, but for the sake of the Elect, these days shall be cut short.

God. Eucharist. Sabbath. Repentance. Confession. Prayers up. Stay yourself in the state of Grace with these gifts, no matter if hell comes to your very table. Sacraments are offered for our salvation. We are in coming chastisement and for a time may be without them. Let us gird ourselves in them now. Love, Rita


41 posted on 10/18/2013 7:48:07 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: bmwcyle

“Bishops Francis DiLorenzo of Richmond and Paul Loverde of Arlington are to real Catholics as rap music is to classical.


42 posted on 10/18/2013 8:41:14 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
It’ll be interesting to see, if Obama starts the amnesty push with a lot of noise in the media, if Pope Francis will stick his big nose in and give the typical socialist response in favor of Obama’s plan. He has a big mouth, bigger than all these Bishops.

don't have enough faith to be a Catholic, do you???

43 posted on 10/18/2013 8:43:09 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: RugerMini14
Then I say this man is not a man of God. Obviously not, he's a Catholic priest.

obviously misguided aren't you???......yes!

44 posted on 10/18/2013 8:50:13 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Venturer; Mrs. Don-o; RitaOK
"I pray that these Bishops do not drive me from my Church, but Damn, They sure are testing my faith with their BS."

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I know exactly how you feel.    However, I hope we both manage to stay inside the Church somehow.

Dolan (who loves to huggy-poo and kissy-poo with president B-O -- that extremely anti-Catholic baby-slaughtering bigot), and the rest of the USCCB, are making efforts which go directly against the teachings of the Catholic Church, as found in the Catechism, including here:

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CCC 2241: Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them,to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.
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The whole USCCB appears to back this lawlessness, seeking not only to reward illegal behaviors by these illegal immigrants, but also to violate the Church's plain teachings, as well as God's laws of fairness and justice, pushing all the law-abiding potential immigrants to the back of the line behind these law-breaking illegal scofflaws. That violates the principles of both fairness and justice, and is just plain wrong.

Unfortunately, this kind of sinful misbehavior by entire national groups of bishops in not new. The Canadian bishop conference openly rebelled against Pope Paul VI and his "Humanae Vitae" in the 1960's.

We've also had a lot of instances in the last 50 years of some really bad bishops arising here and there within the Church (like Judas Iscariot), and trying to teach doctrines contrary to the actual teachings of the Church, either by their words, or by their examples, including that recent nutbag Archbishop of Freiburg, and the recent fruitcake bishop in Scotland, and the recent "bad" bishops in Ireland, and some bad bishops in the US, etc.

Regarding the USCCB, I think we need lay people and clergy (including good bishops) who see through all this kind of nonsense being expressed by these USCCB bishops, to stay inside the Church and fight their nonsense, and to somehow do it in a more organized and noticible and effective kind of way.

So, far, I don't think individual letter writing and that kind of thing does anything to make these USCCB types reconsider what they are pushing for. They just ignore those kinds of letters and emails, and just throw them in the "biz-bag" so to speak.

I think that somehow, we have to get a more organized and a stronger and more powerful and effective approach set up, and it should definitely include an effort to divert Church money donations normally placed in the collection baskets away from Dolan and the USCCB, and towards much more worthy recipients (outside the collection baskets). (And these kinds of efforts need wide publicity and support.)

How all this can be done, I do not know. (We all certainly need to pray a lot.)

45 posted on 10/18/2013 8:52:35 PM PDT by Heart-Rest (Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7)
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To: bmwcyle

>> Their mission is about their ego...

Or parishioners.


46 posted on 10/18/2013 9:50:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why do so many Catholic Priests believe they can ignore the bible, or even just basic logic?

Why has not the Pope spoken out about this?


47 posted on 10/18/2013 10:32:34 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: moonshinner_09

These bishops should be counseling these illegal aliens in their churches to atone for their sins and go to confession.

It is sinful to break the legally constituted laws. Instead of excusing the behavior of illegal aliens, these bishops should be sermonizing about the sinfulness of stealing their way into another country, using fraudulent documents to gain illegal employment, stealing innocent people’s identities, taking jobs, livelihoods, and sustenance from their neighbors, joining gangs engaging in criminal activity, adulterous girlfriends with anchor babies while wives languish in Mexico, etc. etc. etc.

These bishops will condemn someone for buying a condom, but excuse millions for stealing my social security account. They need to get out of their elitist and luxurious lifestyles and start living with their flocks in neighborhoods of ladder trucks, gang graffiti, cerveza trash piles, drug lords, and phony document mills.

Oh, and they need to be reminded that at least half of those illegals are not Catholics, but evangelicals or lapsed believers. Ain’t gonna get much collection money from them.


48 posted on 10/18/2013 10:43:08 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: moonshinner_09

If you want to lose on every social moral issue (Abortion, right to life, ect), make a push for the illegals to stay and get citizenship. The Dems will use the mandate from them to push free abortion on demand, and other nasty things. It will result in a persecution of the church seen currently in Europe.


49 posted on 10/18/2013 10:56:26 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Britebart’s Susan Barry The lady has a “thing” for the liberal pointy hats in my church. She also has another article in the same issue about some clown, Malloy, a minor pointy hat in Warshington state who says politicians advocating abortion should be able to receive communion. Britebart should have led with that instead of what they did. Maybe US Catholics would wake up to what the wishy washy bs pointy hats are pushing on US. Bring back the “extraordinary liturgy” the old latin mass.


50 posted on 10/18/2013 11:29:48 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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