Posted on 01/23/2014 6:47:09 PM PST by annalex
It is though a fight that very much involves the strategy game to avoid a direct involvement of NATO air force. So, yeah, McCain is a player, -- the one both sides want to stay out.
They don't have live ammunition, and are trained to withstand getting torched: observe the men with fire extinguishers nearby. The dynamics is, I think, dictated by adopting the Intifada model in order not to get into a Libya model. Violence is intentionally moderated on both sides.
I would be worried too, but the rise of national consciousness is encouraging in any nation. It would be encouraging in ours.
Not entirely true...
That is not really a problem. Ukraine, at least the western part, wants to inoculate itself against any re-unification with Russia and generally and pull into Asia. That they already have accomplished.
Do you realize that the Western part is the least productive and practically the welfare state paid by the East?
I was also puzzled by the intensity of the protest against what amounted to a bad trade deal with the European Union, so I started looking into it. The so-called revolution which is being presented as 'spontaneous' and 'pro-democracy', was in fact planned well in advance as a pre-election tactic and is being carried out by militant National Socialists from western Ukraine.
Now rather than compete in upcoming elections against an incumbent President who has lowered gas prices, restructured the government balance sheet, and raised the country's bond rating to attract investors, the divided 'pro-democracy' crowd has decided to attempt a putsch.
The real irony is that if this type of civil disruption (rocks, clubs, fire bombs, etc.) were to take place in any western democratic nation, the government crackdown would be swift and harsh.
Link at #47: Protestors are piling up car tires in the neutral zone.
The Soviets heavily invested in the Eastern part of Ukraine.
Much of Western Ukraine was Polish before the war, the Poles were evicted and replaced with Tartars and others the Soviets deemed unworthy to live in the more prosperous Eastern part.
Well, Soviets annexed rather huge part of Germany into Poland to compensate, moving the Poles in. I think the majority of Poles involved has clearly benefited from this deal (Germans not so much).
Ah right. I’m slowly learning, over many years, how much planning goes into these spontaneous revolts. Wish I could remember which one was centered on a bulldozer.
And yes, part of my puzzlement comes from wondering why the first person to set a cop on fire wasn’t shot dead in seconds.
The Germans were beneficiaries of The Marshall Plan.
Poles got "The Marshall Stalin Plan"
BFL
I have friends in Ukraine too, and that is how they describe the situation also. Very dangerous and volatile situation. They say the government has 1000s of hired mercenaries stirring up trouble. Also that the government has tracked the cell phone numbers of all who congregated in the square and warned them (via text) that they are known to have been in the square and are subject to arrest at any time. There has been much violence by the government and secret arrests of people. Very Stalinist actions.
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