"Liberty or death!"
Posted on 01/23/2014 6:47:09 PM PST by annalex
In fact I believe the majority of Ukrainian population are pro-Russian, but if they can’t organize and stand to this “peaceful” mob attacking “oppressive” government they deserve to be ignored.
Let Ukraine close it’s plans and farms providing millions of jobs and billions in taxes selling goods to Russia.
I guess Western Ukrainian leechers have no idea what freedom is. They simply want their welfare from EU which is longer than Russian. And they don’t really care about hardworking Ukrainians.
I don’t know what you’ve been hearing but you’re backing the wrong horse in this fight. Its going to take more than a bunch of Euro-fascists throwing firebombs to collapse the elected government of Ukraine.
I also think the so-called opposition realizes they can’t unseat the government via the ballot-box which is why they organized this McCain/Soros approved ‘pro-democracy’ putsch.
Hi boxlunch, I hope you are well.
Your reference to Stalinist actions is spot on. It was Ukraine where Stalin murdered millions because of failure to produce increasing amounts of crops. Thes “goals” were set by bureaucrats based on what was needed, not on what was possible. Stalin’s answer was to kill.
I still fear that a crackdown will ratchet up when the Olympics begin. It gives Putin/Yanukovych cover.
The freedom fighters I tweeted with in the Square went radio silent because of the cell phone texts you mentioned. They told me they would write when possible. At this point, from several news sources (BBC, Ukrainian Radio Liberty, and several others) there have been thousands of injuries on both sides. The Protestors have their own triage hospital. They were prepared.
I was there in late November and made a few contacts.
I’m told there are some units from remote areas of the country that are finding excuses not to go to Kiev. Their refusal will lead to troops from Russia being invited into the conflict.
It is interesting to me that people from the Western part of the country are slowly becoming sympathizers with the Revolution. That is what it has been referred to for two months - The Revolution.
My view is that joining the EU or being bailed out by Russia were both bad choices. They are both merely delaying the pattern of Greece.
It is a sad, sad situation. I believe it could be a precursor to what may happen in the USA.
Possibly so, but it is a good start. Maybe one day the Russians would rise as well.
>>>My view is that joining the EU or being bailed out by Russia were both bad choices.<<<
Joining EU is not even an option.
“Ukraine will join EU right next to Turkey. The problem is we all know that Turkey won’t join. Never.” A.Merkel
>>>There is no welfare coming to them; it is not even an EU membership, not even an open border agreement. <<<
That is what they hope for actually.
It is not an economics-driven uprising.
Hi c_f.
Actually Ukraine was invited to join, agreed, and then Yanukovych (after a chat with Putin) cancelled the signing. It was very close to happening. That is one of the triggers of the current situation. Merkel is/was wrong.
Perhaps she said that before the agreement? Merkel is only the head of one of many EU members. Her vote is a minority.
In fact you have to reasearch a little better. No real membership was offered. BTW, it makes no sense. Ukraine is a 3rd world craphole is terms of economy.
Not exactly true. Back then Ukraine's militant nationalists were primarily concerned with cleansing their region of all non-Ukrainian minorities, be they German, Russian, Polish, or Jewish. They collaborated with the Nazis against the Soviets, and among other atrocities were responsible for the mass murder of thousands of Poles.
As I said earlier there are different people among them. Let them have whatever government they want. I don’t think they’ll get either freedom or prosperity anyway. Georgian scenario seems like the most likely. They’ll have their pro-western dictator to who’ll ruin economy cutting Russian ties but won’t be able to take any advantage from his new European ties. He’ll blame Russia and pro-russian folks in Ukraine for his own incompetence to play his people against each other and voila.
Nonsense. Russians dominate parts of Ukraine which were parts of Russia before it’s annexing into Ukrainian SSR by the Soviets.
As for Holodomor it is falsely presented by Ukrainian nationalists as a Russian genocide against Ukrainians. Famine was a result of Stalin’s effort to ruin rural communities and herd people into cities. All the peoples of Soviet Union has suffered, mostly Russians. In case of Ukraine it was Communist Ukrainians who killed non-communist Ukrainians.
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Naturally, under German occupation they could do little else since you don't build a national government under an occupation. The past 20 years is their first chance, that they are not occupied by either Germany or USSR.
Right. And this is how one nation gets the government it wants:
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