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Why communism didn’t have its own Nuremberg?
interia.pl ^ | May 8, 2013 | prof. Andrzej Nowak

Posted on 02/16/2014 6:05:35 PM PST by annalex

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The anonymous translator attached this note:

Polish readers may have already found a marvelous article by professor Andrzej Nowak of Jagiellonian University in Cracow about communism.

http://fakty.interia.pl/swiat/news-dlaczego-komunizm-nie-mial-swojej-norymbergi,nId,964171

After reading this summary, I came up to a conclusion that still people among the world (especially in the Western world, but not only) are unaware of the subject.

The reasons for it are very different and I wouldn’t like to call everyone an ignorant. The propaganda is very strong and some may not have had a chance to learn these facts.

But coming from a country like Poland and seeing admirers of Mao, Che Guevara and Marx, who worship them as the greatest idealists and philosophers of the world makes me sick.

Surprisinly so much energy is used to find and condemn people who follow Adolf Hitler, so why so little is being done about Stalin, for example?

I have prepared an English translation of the article by prof. Nowak.

I have no purpose of earning any money nor to violate any laws.

My idea is to make non-Polish speaking people able to read this text.

That’s all.

If you have any questions please write: saynotocommunism@wp.pl


1 posted on 02/16/2014 6:05:35 PM PST by annalex
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2 posted on 02/16/2014 6:07:49 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

It was by comparison, a fairly minor happening but everyone should watch the movie “Katyn” about the murder of the entire Polish officer corps by the Soviets.

I always thought it unbelievably ironic to have Soviet Judges presiding at Nuremberg trials.


3 posted on 02/16/2014 6:09:48 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: annalex

^ ^ well deserved bump ^ ^


4 posted on 02/16/2014 6:11:30 PM PST by tomkat (sooner/better)
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To: annalex

BUMP!


5 posted on 02/16/2014 6:14:52 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: annalex
“It’d be better if Soviet Union didn’t end too early” – said Bush during his visit in Kiev in 1991

The infamous "Chicken Kiev" statement.

6 posted on 02/16/2014 6:14:58 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: yarddog

Very difficult to watch. Also available on Youtube.

7 posted on 02/16/2014 6:20:49 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Fiji Hill

It did not “end too early”. They are building the improved version on a reduced scale.


8 posted on 02/16/2014 6:22:09 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

What is there to add? Nothing, except a feeling of shame for our leaders, and public so easily fooled by a century of Communist propaganda from out lets such as the New York Times, and the idiotic myth of Nazism, dead since 1945, as the ultimate and everlasting evil and danger to the present paradise.

While Communism still thrives and murders in several places around the globe, and Che Guevara T-shirts sell millions on college campuses.


9 posted on 02/16/2014 6:23:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: annalex
North Corea

Huh? Is that Huntington's North Corea?

On a serious note, the Killing Fields in Cambodia were, in theory, what the UN was intended to prevent / stop. Which tells you how much use the UN really is.

10 posted on 02/16/2014 6:26:41 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: annalex
Why communism remains not trialed?

First of all, because it was approved that it did not lose, but it was kind enough to share the responsibility and power with its slaves and made an agreement (a compromise) with the West. This version was suitable with political interests of the status quo defenders – both for those from US Department of State and for those who were invited to various round tables.

The second reason is that the communist ideology has made in the last 90 years a WINNING march through various media and educational institutions of the West. The universities of Western Europe and America as much as editorial offices of the most influential media are dominated by so-called caviar left (gauche caviar) who constantly undust the bust of old good Marx (if not Stalin and Mao).

Since the beginning of the 90’s I regularly visit academic bookstores in the biggest cities of the West. I always look at the shelves with philosophy. After a short break, just after 1990, marxism again reigns on them. Now it has a separate part of bookshelves and it is much better supplied with books than the other parts of philosophy. From Louis Althusser to Slavoj Zizek – marxist inspiration rules.

There you have it! The root of every problem we have in this nation today can be traced back to a dishonest corrupt media and academia (they are one and the same). When they finally succeed in taking this nation down.....we need a Nuremberg type trial for every one of these folks!

This thread needs posted once a week for the next two years.

11 posted on 02/16/2014 6:27:02 PM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: annalex

First...very interesting post

Communism sure will never be tried...look at all the folks on here who continue to support Free Trade with Communist China!

You think there will be any prosecution of Communists when we have so many folks, on a conservative site, praising the Peoples Republic of China...and even some of them going as far as “Commie China is more open for business than USA”

It wasn’t too long ago economically supporting a Communist enemy got you executed for treason. Now, you have folks claiming to be conservative supporting the largest, most deadliest ever Communist nation

You should hear the folks squeal when “tariffs on Communist China” are mentioned....


12 posted on 02/16/2014 6:27:43 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Diversity is just racism against white folks)
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To: All

Globalism is the new communism. Putin’s variant is an old-fashioned dinosaur version at odds with the new globalist consensus. What makes this new variety so dangerous is that no particular country is the sponsor. The academic left are the brains behind it. We ignore this challenge at the peril of losing our freedom within a generation. Freedom of speech and freedom of academic inquiry have already seen nearly fatal blows from globalism, especially its new science, climate change, the theory that basically says any weather you see should make you subservient to globalism.


13 posted on 02/16/2014 6:28:50 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: SeminoleCounty

NAZIISM and Japanese Imperialism were not just defeated they were utterly discredited.

Communism has not really been defeated


14 posted on 02/16/2014 6:30:58 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: annalex

The Chekist on Youtube (English subtitres)

15 posted on 02/16/2014 6:35:54 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

The Soviets had their own show trials, basically. They acted mostly through neiborhood denunciations and tedious fabrications of evidences of wrong doing. Their purges involved extensive demoralization of their targets along with tortures and demands of admissions of guilt until they broke.

Thus communism was more a suicide PC cult than a direct murder cult and thus it made it much more vicious and difficult to track.

Today the media masquerade is pretty similar, one involving making innocent an arab-street known to cooperate with terrorists as obvious agents, but then making them look like they are just normal families doing weddings.

This is all a masquerade.

Also the Geneva convention of turning war into some kind of sports with a non-existing referee is absolutely outrageous and part of the problem, because the nations following these rules that go beyond mere punishment of crime against humanity, have been used to blackmail the West.

Then we got the grand masquerade role play of unmasking Hitler before unmasking Stalin, a typical war alliance scenario ploy. WWII could have happened with Europe allied with Hitler against Stalin, but it did not happen that way... Hitler was unmasked as a more immediate enemy and had to be vilified more urgently and determinedly to justify the war effort.

This justification did not want to dig further in the case of Stalin because of pure cowardice. It simply is that the Nuremberg trials were not the genesis of Western determination in WWII, but simply a political tool product that was not meant to be furthered beyond its use in the prosecution of the war against Germany.

Much like today’s reverse racism in America, the Civil Rights are not applied universally against black racism and obvious black in-race inbreeding, despite it following a very tradition of Demorcrat slavery of inbreeding blacks to make them hard worker or ... Basket Ball players.

Hitler chose Socialism but morphed it immediately into some sort of misguided grotesque nationalism survival of superiority by pure racial historicisms and not historical veracity. The Soviets got to play the more feminist card as a result of opposition and masquerading as a victim. THe Soviets however did have their own progressist views of race superiorizing and combined usage of armies of tools (half-ape and half human). Nazies had pure race nonsense for their pride, the Soviets had an anticipationist extra-terrestrial like race of progress.

However the language of progress was clear, it was one of equal or greater corruption than Nazi loot.

Because just as the Nazis viewed Jews as backwards and demanded them to surrender their inheritences, so is the language of progressism, demanding that current generations abandon their treasures to the Soviet Apparatus as trophies.


16 posted on 02/16/2014 6:38:54 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: SeminoleCounty; All

“It wasn’t too long ago economically supporting a Communist enemy got you executed for treason.”

I do not recall a single case. Please refresh my memory.


17 posted on 02/16/2014 6:39:54 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: annalex

To the Left, everything I don’t like is fascism, to the Right, illustrated on this forum, everything I don’t like is Communism.

Well, China today is not Communism, neither is Russia. Murderous Communism is North Korea, and Cuba, to which we stopped paying attention when we don’t travel there as tourists, concerned as we are with tariff free tchotchkes from China. And the author writes of the past well known crimes of Communism that we prefer to forget about, while we continue call our opponents on Internet ‘Nazis’!


18 posted on 02/16/2014 6:48:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: SeminoleCounty

I hear you. The Chinese charade is disgusting.

THe biggest lie is that CHina needs the economy.

NO! The greedies and government backed fascist companies all the way to food stamp people funding WalMart groceries ARE THE ONES NEEDING CHINA.

Watch the product of food stamp loot WalMArt and Wal-of-China-MArt. This looting is ominous. A real or manufactured Earth Quake in Beijing would force them to sell US bonds and bam, we would be pouring more money out there or go completely bankrupt.

This is the kinds of writings in the wall that are getting ignored or hushed under the carpet.

China is a continued history of gangsters and terrorism. They never will have an understanding of normal free choice fund raising capitalism. For them it is always feed the thug on top. For them it is about profit and “fun” paranoia money, not about getting or spreading instruction.


19 posted on 02/16/2014 6:48:52 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: lavaroise
the Nuremberg trials were not the genesis of Western determination in WWII, but simply a political tool product that was not meant to be furthered beyond its use in the prosecution of the war against Germany.

I was going to note the same thing: Nuremberg had enough fundamental problem to not be repeated in its exact form: it was a trial by the winners of the losers, with the Soviet Union sitting as judge of Germany for no other reason than that; the body of law under which to try war crimes did not exist; the concept of guilt seemed fuzzy. But I think that the author asks us to look beyond the implementation of the Nuremberg trial, and to recognize that no public condemnation of communism was ever done by any international institution, nor in fact by any leading world power in its own jurisdiction.

That indifference to the problem of international justice of this proportion makes the entire edifice of international law nothing much more than a self-serving joke of the Left.

20 posted on 02/16/2014 6:49:27 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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