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McCain: My Good Friend Ted Cruz Should Apologize to My Other Good Friend Bob Dole
Ace of Spades ^ | March 8, 2014 | Ace

Posted on 03/07/2014 7:20:25 PM PST by expat1000

Ted Cruz named the Republicans' three most recent losing candidates -- Dole, McCain, and Romney -- as having failed to stand on principle, which then, he suggests, caused them to lose.

McCain asks, rhetorically (and arguably demagogically), if Bob Dole had failed to "stand on principle" on "that hill in Italy" in which he lost his limb defending the country in World War II. He wants Cruz to apologize to Dole, but not, he says, to himself or Romney.

If I try to give McCain a break here, here's how I do it. Both sides of the RINO/TrueCon war have insults for the other side that drive the other side crazy.

RINOs hate it when you suggest they're "cowards" who "lack principle" or "the will to fight." I've gotten that a lot myself, and it is, as intended, quite personally insulting.

On the other side of it, RINOs have their own disparagements of TrueCons -- starting off with the suggestion that they're crazy, that they lack sophistication and don't understand politics, are overemotional, and so on.

So while I think it's a bit of stretch for McCain to claim Cruz was claiming Dole shirked his duty in World War Two (come on, he said nothing of the sort), I can guess that what rankles McCain here is this frequent messaging that RINOs, such as himself, are "cowards." Cruz's formulation -- that these men failed to "stand on principle"-- doesn't explicitly make the "coward" argument, but it does suggest it.

On McCain's side, of course, he has called Tea Partiers "hobbits" and other terms of disparagement. And in his call for an apology to War Hero Bob Dole, he's not-too-covertly reminding the audience that Ted Cruz didn't serve.

There are several real arguments going on in the conservative movement. Most of these have to do with real things -- policy, tactics.

I think what the party is doing, wrongly, is attempting to dodge the actual arguments by resorting to personal-level attacks.

Which is exactly the wrong thing to do. Rather than engaging and arguing about the stuff that actually divides us, we're attempting to hide these arguments (which everyone knows we have) under a cover of personal attacks.

Which are in fact worse and more embittering than just having the argument we're trying to avoid.

Arguments about ideology and tactics are not exactly pleasant, but there is, at least, a small bit of detachment from them, on a personal level. If I argue with a commenter about X position, the fight could get edgy and hot, but at least we're arguing about something other than one another's personal value.

Once something gets personal, forget about it.

This is why I say this is all backwards. We're avoiding a fight (which could be productive and clarifying) on the actual issues (which do need to be discussed) by instead resorting to personal stuff and argument-by-categorization.

That is, rather than discuss the actual issue, we tend to simply categorize the position -- "RINO," "buying into the left's premises," "crazy," etc. -- and let the categorization do our arguing for us.

But this isn't an especially useful way to discuss things, just tossing disparaging labels at each other or each other's positions.

I've given up, personally, deciding what position I support based on how "conservative" it's alleged to be, or not to be. The party is in a state of flux. When Rand Paul can be applauded for advocating a fairly isolationist position at CPAC -- imagine such a thing in 2003 -- I think it's clear we're in a rebuilding, and reconsidering, and rethinking period.

There is no point fighting that, and no use trying to avoid it. And it doesn't advance the ball any by calling things either "RINO" or "crazy" based on 2004's now-obsolete definitions.

We should decide which ideas are part of the core of conservatism based upon how true and useful those ideas are rather than resorting to how true and useful and idea might be according to how "conservative" someone says it is.

Oh, and let me say this about the unending Cruz/McCain feud: They should insult each other honestly. I think honesty, even in insults, is better than dishonesty.

Here is what Cruz plainly thinks about McCain: That McCain is essentially a Democrat, who values the opinions of liberals (especially liberal journalists) far more than those of conservatives. And we all seek to please those we think the most highly of. And so McCain is consistently critical of conservatives. He flatters liberal sensibilities in hopes they will flatter him in return.

And here is what McCain plainly thinks about Cruz: That he's a charlatan who's offering people looking for Big Wins the illusory promise of a Big Win, that he's conning people, that he's not being "straight" with constituents. That he's undermining Republicans to advance his own personal political position.

Now, a fight between McCain and Cruz in those terms would be ugly. But at least it would have the benefit of being an honest fight, not this bullshit we have going on right now.

And one more thing: "Moderation" in the Republican party is currently a slur because no one at all speaks up for it. Everyone claims to be The Most Conservative Possible, Ever. Except for a few people, like Collins and Kirk, almost everyone claims to be the Most Conservative, and claims to think the Most Conservative always wins.

Moderates plainly do not believe this. And it does them no credit that they pretend to believe it while plainly not really believing it.

And if they want to make a bit of moderation -- as McCain clearly has in him -- not a term of disparagement, they have to speak up in favor of it, and explain to people why they think moderation is not always some kind of sell-out position.

You know, I used to fight this characterization myself. People would say I was a moderate or not as conservative as they are, and it really used to bug me. I felt like I was "losing" the race. I mean, someone says he's more conservative than I am; I can't let that insult stand.

But in fact, look: In the wild west, there's always gonna be someone faster than you, and there are in fact going to be an awful lot of people further to the right than any particular person.

We're letting this be a silly game of More Conservative Than Thou precisely because we're letting this be a silly game of More Conservative Than Thou.

If McCain believes that some people are too conservative, then why does he not just forthrightly say so, and make a case for a Not Too Hard, Not Too Soft brand of conservatism?

Why continue this endless posturing over the game show Quien es Muy Macho? ?

If he thinks it's a silly game, he should say so. I'd respect him more for that.

I really think this system we've developed where all our actual debates are either sublimated or squelched is a bad one. All that ends up happening is that what should be discussed on an ideological plane winds up becoming personalized trash-talk, and everyone feels lied to, because no one's being straight with each other.

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1 posted on 03/07/2014 7:20:25 PM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

McCain should apologize to the American people for being a RINO.

2 posted on 03/07/2014 7:22:02 PM PST by doc1019
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To: expat1000

McCain should apologize to all liberty-loving Americans and then resign. He’s done more than his share of damage already.

3 posted on 03/07/2014 7:23:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: expat1000

Juan McLame, the most disliked member of the Senate wants to become relevant, now.


4 posted on 03/07/2014 7:24:41 PM PST by Howie66 ("Tone down the tagline please." - Admin Moderator)
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To: expat1000

McCain and Romney should get on their knees and apologize
to all Americans for enabling the treasonous
Moslem Obama for Soros and Pelosi,
and McCain for arming al Qaeda, too.

5 posted on 03/07/2014 7:26:04 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: expat1000

Sit down JOHN!

6 posted on 03/07/2014 7:26:46 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: expat1000

McCain betrayed his fell prisoners of war. He should apologize to the country right before he’s hanged.

7 posted on 03/07/2014 7:27:34 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: expat1000; 2ndDivisionVet

McCain, you failed to defend Sarah Palin against attacks from within and without. You have no honor, sir, not now. And her support of you has been resolute - and undeserved in my estimation.

8 posted on 03/07/2014 7:28:33 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: expat1000

Privately, I can hardly believe Cruz considers McCain to be a friend.

9 posted on 03/07/2014 7:31:24 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: expat1000

FU McCain!

10 posted on 03/07/2014 7:31:26 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: expat1000

And McCain should apologize to us all for throwing the 2008 election to the islamoNazi ?

11 posted on 03/07/2014 7:34:46 PM PST by faithhopecharity (")
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To: SeaHawkFan

“Privately, I can hardly believe Cruz considers McCain to be a friend.”
Ditto...I can’t imagine any true patriot or constitutional conservative having anything but contempt for slimy creatures such as Juan McCain or Little Lindsey Graham.

Juan McCain WILL certainly be history (little remembered and lesser loved) after 2016. It would be very nice if the same thing could be said about Little Lindsey after 2014; but the jury is still out on that.

12 posted on 03/07/2014 7:37:10 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: expat1000

McCain is a slimy sleaze. Hiding behind Dole, putting words into Cruz’s mouth, this scumbag of a politician should get booted.

13 posted on 03/07/2014 7:37:47 PM PST by Red6
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To: doc1019

Somehow I don’t think Ted is feeling love Juan. I would be suprised if he considers you a friend.

14 posted on 03/07/2014 7:46:34 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: expat1000
Dear Juan,
Maybe your "service" to America's Enemies
should end, please die quicky and go to hell.
An American Patriot.
15 posted on 03/07/2014 7:46:43 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: expat1000

Aside from your substandard aviation skills you should pray for the ones that perished due to your incompetence assisted by your family’s connections!

16 posted on 03/07/2014 7:47:12 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: expat1000
Bob Dole and John Mc Cain should join the Mormon Milquetoast and issue a joint apology to those who held their noses to vote for them ... after three truly bizarre and inept campaigns which wasted $2Billion in contributions. Three Stooges, but not at all amusing.

Dole, whose chief administrator in DC was an outspoken Democrat, worked this "across the aisle" nonsense for year to make himself and his wife wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice. His "campaign?: a stupid travesty.

McCain, quite possibly the worst airplane driver and worst-behaved naval officer to ever sit in a cockpit and who used to regularly get lost on routine training flights over the Chesapeake, couldn't beat a jive-ass disbarred lawyer from Chicago. Couldn't bring himself to mention that said jive-ass campaigned all over Kenya for a jihadist Communist and was thereby an accessory to the massacre of thousands of Kenyan Christians.

Romney? Only one question for the Mormon Milquetoast: "Are you alive or dead?" Sure couldn't tell from your so-called "campaign," hoss. Take your odd undies and get outa Dodge.

Ahoy RNC, come up with another one of these ani, and I am liable to write in Chuck Norris.

17 posted on 03/07/2014 7:49:10 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: expat1000
Currently, the intra-party fight isn't so much over "moderation" vs "conservatism" as it is over "are you willing to fight for your principles (whatever they are) or not?"

The line seems to be drawn on that point alone -- and Ted Cruz pointedly dramatized it with his stand against the debt limit increase.

As it turns out, there are about 10-12 GOP Senators who are not prepared to fight under any circumstances...while the rest are at least prepared to be led into battle by a fighter.

McCain, Graham, McConnell, etc. were on the losing end of that fight -- and it's time for them to recognize it.

Against a partisan Democrat Senate and a wannabe tyrant Democrat President, the Republicans aren't going to win a lot of battles. But they do need to at least offer some resistance, rather than serve as enablers.

18 posted on 03/07/2014 7:49:53 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: expat1000

If we fought every war John McCain wanted us to fight, we’d be dead five times over.

19 posted on 03/07/2014 7:50:38 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: okie01

Very well said!

20 posted on 03/07/2014 7:51:21 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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