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McCain: My Good Friend Ted Cruz Should Apologize to My Other Good Friend Bob Dole
Ace of Spades ^ | March 8, 2014 | Ace

Posted on 03/07/2014 7:20:25 PM PST by expat1000

Ted Cruz named the Republicans' three most recent losing candidates -- Dole, McCain, and Romney -- as having failed to stand on principle, which then, he suggests, caused them to lose.

McCain asks, rhetorically (and arguably demagogically), if Bob Dole had failed to "stand on principle" on "that hill in Italy" in which he lost his limb defending the country in World War II. He wants Cruz to apologize to Dole, but not, he says, to himself or Romney.

If I try to give McCain a break here, here's how I do it. Both sides of the RINO/TrueCon war have insults for the other side that drive the other side crazy.

RINOs hate it when you suggest they're "cowards" who "lack principle" or "the will to fight." I've gotten that a lot myself, and it is, as intended, quite personally insulting.

On the other side of it, RINOs have their own disparagements of TrueCons -- starting off with the suggestion that they're crazy, that they lack sophistication and don't understand politics, are overemotional, and so on.

So while I think it's a bit of stretch for McCain to claim Cruz was claiming Dole shirked his duty in World War Two (come on, he said nothing of the sort), I can guess that what rankles McCain here is this frequent messaging that RINOs, such as himself, are "cowards." Cruz's formulation -- that these men failed to "stand on principle"-- doesn't explicitly make the "coward" argument, but it does suggest it.

On McCain's side, of course, he has called Tea Partiers "hobbits" and other terms of disparagement. And in his call for an apology to War Hero Bob Dole, he's not-too-covertly reminding the audience that Ted Cruz didn't serve.

There are several real arguments going on in the conservative movement. Most of these have to do with real things -- policy, tactics.

I think what the party is doing, wrongly, is attempting to dodge the actual arguments by resorting to personal-level attacks.

Which is exactly the wrong thing to do. Rather than engaging and arguing about the stuff that actually divides us, we're attempting to hide these arguments (which everyone knows we have) under a cover of personal attacks.

Which are in fact worse and more embittering than just having the argument we're trying to avoid.

Arguments about ideology and tactics are not exactly pleasant, but there is, at least, a small bit of detachment from them, on a personal level. If I argue with a commenter about X position, the fight could get edgy and hot, but at least we're arguing about something other than one another's personal value.

Once something gets personal, forget about it.

This is why I say this is all backwards. We're avoiding a fight (which could be productive and clarifying) on the actual issues (which do need to be discussed) by instead resorting to personal stuff and argument-by-categorization.

That is, rather than discuss the actual issue, we tend to simply categorize the position -- "RINO," "buying into the left's premises," "crazy," etc. -- and let the categorization do our arguing for us.

But this isn't an especially useful way to discuss things, just tossing disparaging labels at each other or each other's positions.

I've given up, personally, deciding what position I support based on how "conservative" it's alleged to be, or not to be. The party is in a state of flux. When Rand Paul can be applauded for advocating a fairly isolationist position at CPAC -- imagine such a thing in 2003 -- I think it's clear we're in a rebuilding, and reconsidering, and rethinking period.

There is no point fighting that, and no use trying to avoid it. And it doesn't advance the ball any by calling things either "RINO" or "crazy" based on 2004's now-obsolete definitions.

We should decide which ideas are part of the core of conservatism based upon how true and useful those ideas are rather than resorting to how true and useful and idea might be according to how "conservative" someone says it is.

Oh, and let me say this about the unending Cruz/McCain feud: They should insult each other honestly. I think honesty, even in insults, is better than dishonesty.

Here is what Cruz plainly thinks about McCain: That McCain is essentially a Democrat, who values the opinions of liberals (especially liberal journalists) far more than those of conservatives. And we all seek to please those we think the most highly of. And so McCain is consistently critical of conservatives. He flatters liberal sensibilities in hopes they will flatter him in return.

And here is what McCain plainly thinks about Cruz: That he's a charlatan who's offering people looking for Big Wins the illusory promise of a Big Win, that he's conning people, that he's not being "straight" with constituents. That he's undermining Republicans to advance his own personal political position.

Now, a fight between McCain and Cruz in those terms would be ugly. But at least it would have the benefit of being an honest fight, not this bullshit we have going on right now.

And one more thing: "Moderation" in the Republican party is currently a slur because no one at all speaks up for it. Everyone claims to be The Most Conservative Possible, Ever. Except for a few people, like Collins and Kirk, almost everyone claims to be the Most Conservative, and claims to think the Most Conservative always wins.

Moderates plainly do not believe this. And it does them no credit that they pretend to believe it while plainly not really believing it.

And if they want to make a bit of moderation -- as McCain clearly has in him -- not a term of disparagement, they have to speak up in favor of it, and explain to people why they think moderation is not always some kind of sell-out position.

You know, I used to fight this characterization myself. People would say I was a moderate or not as conservative as they are, and it really used to bug me. I felt like I was "losing" the race. I mean, someone says he's more conservative than I am; I can't let that insult stand.

But in fact, look: In the wild west, there's always gonna be someone faster than you, and there are in fact going to be an awful lot of people further to the right than any particular person.

We're letting this be a silly game of More Conservative Than Thou precisely because we're letting this be a silly game of More Conservative Than Thou.

If McCain believes that some people are too conservative, then why does he not just forthrightly say so, and make a case for a Not Too Hard, Not Too Soft brand of conservatism?

Why continue this endless posturing over the game show Quien es Muy Macho? ?

If he thinks it's a silly game, he should say so. I'd respect him more for that.

I really think this system we've developed where all our actual debates are either sublimated or squelched is a bad one. All that ends up happening is that what should be discussed on an ideological plane winds up becoming personalized trash-talk, and everyone feels lied to, because no one's being straight with each other.


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1 posted on 03/07/2014 7:20:25 PM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000

McCain should apologize to the American people for being a RINO.


2 posted on 03/07/2014 7:22:02 PM PST by doc1019
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To: expat1000

McCain should apologize to all liberty-loving Americans and then resign. He’s done more than his share of damage already.


3 posted on 03/07/2014 7:23:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: expat1000

Juan McLame, the most disliked member of the Senate wants to become relevant, now.

Why?


4 posted on 03/07/2014 7:24:41 PM PST by Howie66 ("Tone down the tagline please." - Admin Moderator)
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To: expat1000

McCain and Romney should get on their knees and apologize
to all Americans for enabling the treasonous
Moslem Obama for Soros and Pelosi,
and McCain for arming al Qaeda, too.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 7:26:04 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: expat1000

Sit down JOHN!


6 posted on 03/07/2014 7:26:46 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: expat1000

McCain betrayed his fell prisoners of war. He should apologize to the country right before he’s hanged.


7 posted on 03/07/2014 7:27:34 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: expat1000; 2ndDivisionVet

McCain, you failed to defend Sarah Palin against attacks from within and without. You have no honor, sir, not now. And her support of you has been resolute - and undeserved in my estimation.


8 posted on 03/07/2014 7:28:33 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: expat1000

Privately, I can hardly believe Cruz considers McCain to be a friend.


9 posted on 03/07/2014 7:31:24 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: expat1000

FU McCain!


10 posted on 03/07/2014 7:31:26 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: expat1000

And McCain should apologize to us all for throwing the 2008 election to the islamoNazi ?


11 posted on 03/07/2014 7:34:46 PM PST by faithhopecharity (")
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To: SeaHawkFan

“Privately, I can hardly believe Cruz considers McCain to be a friend.”
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Ditto...I can’t imagine any true patriot or constitutional conservative having anything but contempt for slimy creatures such as Juan McCain or Little Lindsey Graham.

Juan McCain WILL certainly be history (little remembered and lesser loved) after 2016. It would be very nice if the same thing could be said about Little Lindsey after 2014; but the jury is still out on that.


12 posted on 03/07/2014 7:37:10 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: expat1000

McCain is a slimy sleaze. Hiding behind Dole, putting words into Cruz’s mouth, this scumbag of a politician should get booted.


13 posted on 03/07/2014 7:37:47 PM PST by Red6
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To: doc1019

Somehow I don’t think Ted is feeling love Juan. I would be suprised if he considers you a friend.


14 posted on 03/07/2014 7:46:34 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: expat1000
Dear Juan,
Maybe your "service" to America's Enemies
should end, please die quicky and go to hell.
An American Patriot.
15 posted on 03/07/2014 7:46:43 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: expat1000

Aside from your substandard aviation skills you should pray for the ones that perished due to your incompetence assisted by your family’s connections!


16 posted on 03/07/2014 7:47:12 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: expat1000
Bob Dole and John Mc Cain should join the Mormon Milquetoast and issue a joint apology to those who held their noses to vote for them ... after three truly bizarre and inept campaigns which wasted $2Billion in contributions. Three Stooges, but not at all amusing.

Dole, whose chief administrator in DC was an outspoken Democrat, worked this "across the aisle" nonsense for year to make himself and his wife wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice. His "campaign?: a stupid travesty.

McCain, quite possibly the worst airplane driver and worst-behaved naval officer to ever sit in a cockpit and who used to regularly get lost on routine training flights over the Chesapeake, couldn't beat a jive-ass disbarred lawyer from Chicago. Couldn't bring himself to mention that said jive-ass campaigned all over Kenya for a jihadist Communist and was thereby an accessory to the massacre of thousands of Kenyan Christians.

Romney? Only one question for the Mormon Milquetoast: "Are you alive or dead?" Sure couldn't tell from your so-called "campaign," hoss. Take your odd undies and get outa Dodge.

Ahoy RNC, come up with another one of these ani, and I am liable to write in Chuck Norris.

17 posted on 03/07/2014 7:49:10 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: expat1000
Currently, the intra-party fight isn't so much over "moderation" vs "conservatism" as it is over "are you willing to fight for your principles (whatever they are) or not?"

The line seems to be drawn on that point alone -- and Ted Cruz pointedly dramatized it with his stand against the debt limit increase.

As it turns out, there are about 10-12 GOP Senators who are not prepared to fight under any circumstances...while the rest are at least prepared to be led into battle by a fighter.

McCain, Graham, McConnell, etc. were on the losing end of that fight -- and it's time for them to recognize it.

Against a partisan Democrat Senate and a wannabe tyrant Democrat President, the Republicans aren't going to win a lot of battles. But they do need to at least offer some resistance, rather than serve as enablers.

18 posted on 03/07/2014 7:49:53 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: expat1000

If we fought every war John McCain wanted us to fight, we’d be dead five times over.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 7:50:38 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: okie01

Very well said!


20 posted on 03/07/2014 7:51:21 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: doc1019

Bob Dole, McCain, Respectfully GFY!


21 posted on 03/07/2014 7:52:15 PM PST by MtnClimber (Liberals - wrong is right, down is up, gulags are utopia.)
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To: expat1000
John McCain is no longer worthy of anyone's respect.

The most honorable thing he could do at this point in his career is to retire and stop doing damage to this once great country.

22 posted on 03/07/2014 8:01:09 PM PST by Washi (Stop Obama's War On Jobs)
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To: expat1000

Ant then Ted said; “Our Common Foe, John McCain should basically STFU, and tend his own garden, which, by the way, is full of non-native weeds!”


23 posted on 03/07/2014 8:03:38 PM PST by lee martell
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To: expat1000

Can some Arizonan explain to me how John McCain is continually re-elected. In addition to illegal aliens, do they also import Massholes just for the election?


24 posted on 03/07/2014 8:05:15 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ( The Republican Party is in Hospice Care. Hold all contributions.)
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To: expat1000

My good friend. What a pathetic piece of crap.


25 posted on 03/07/2014 8:05:24 PM PST by DManA
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To: Washi
The most honorable thing he could do at this point in his career is to retire and stop doing damage to this once great country

Well, I don't think the Republican primary voters of aZ will let him retire. They are his enablers.

26 posted on 03/07/2014 8:06:05 PM PST by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: expat1000
Just shut your pie hole, McLettuce!
27 posted on 03/07/2014 8:07:41 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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28 posted on 03/07/2014 8:12:06 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: expat1000

Like daughter, like father


29 posted on 03/07/2014 8:25:12 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: expat1000

McCain, shut up. The GOP is trying to make itself into the Democrats (while the Dems is trying to be the Communist Party.) We need to tell RINOs to either promote the US constitution and give us freedoms, or join the Dems while we elect people like Ted Cruz.


30 posted on 03/07/2014 8:34:27 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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To: expat1000
Dear John. Please go away. You had your chance to win a presidential race and you whimped out. You gave it away. You never wanted to win, as you never had the guts to go for the throat as your worthless opponent did. Be gone as you are no longer relevant. p>
31 posted on 03/07/2014 8:41:19 PM PST by Fungi
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To: expat1000

Why apologize for being right?


32 posted on 03/07/2014 9:25:40 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: okie01

bttt


33 posted on 03/07/2014 9:30:40 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: expat1000
Take your meds, Juan!


34 posted on 03/07/2014 9:37:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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35 posted on 03/07/2014 9:40:22 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

LOL I thought I had double-posted for a second there.


36 posted on 03/07/2014 9:49:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: expat1000

37 posted on 03/07/2014 9:53:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: expat1000

When is Cruz going to give this guy a smack upside the head, on the senate floor?


38 posted on 03/07/2014 9:56:10 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: expat1000

Does this guy ever shut up!


39 posted on 03/07/2014 9:57:29 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: VerySadAmerican

LOL!


40 posted on 03/07/2014 9:57:57 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SeaHawkFan

No one considers McCain a friend.


41 posted on 03/07/2014 9:58:22 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: expat1000

I was in college when Dole ran for pres and have no memory of what he stood for.

Funny Mccain couldn’t condemn his good friend Harry Reid who went after the Koch brothers. Nice/s


42 posted on 03/07/2014 10:32:46 PM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN

He stood for holding his pencil and talking about himself in the third person all day.
No way an elderly man was going to beat an attractive alleged rapist like Bill Clinton.


43 posted on 03/07/2014 10:38:26 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: expat1000
McCain is a jerk and I have lost all respect for him. He has bashed Cruz before so his complaint holds little water.Plus back in 2008 he was praising Obama rather then tell the truth about him and how dangerous he would be as president.

"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don’t have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain told a supporter at a town hall meeting in Minnesota who said he was “scared” of the prospect of an Obama presidency and of who the Democrat would appoint to the Supreme Court.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4

44 posted on 03/07/2014 10:41:54 PM PST by Katarina
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To: expat1000

Mclaim should go down to the nearest hardware store and buy some rope and end his stupidity.


45 posted on 03/07/2014 11:00:34 PM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: A CA Guy

an attractive...Bill Clinton


Only women or men with limited intellect think that!


46 posted on 03/07/2014 11:07:29 PM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN

Bill had an attractive factor for sure. Kind of a slick cheap version of Elvis with or without the sax.
Despite the sax he had lots of sex in the White House, just not with the wife very often.

Dole looked like a civil war vet against Clinton at that time and kept referring to Bob Dole instead in the third person instead of saying “ME”.


47 posted on 03/07/2014 11:09:58 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: expat1000
 
 
A forced apology is no apology at all.
 
The fact that this punchbowl turd is still an "R" is an insult since he makes the same demands his fellow leftists do at the smallest perceived slight - apologize or resign, resign or apologize - while working hard at not addressing the corruption and mayhem swirling all around him - particularly since he is a party to it. I think McPain's role in the Repub party is that of foil & saboteur, working to divide and discredit what little is left of that party and anyone trying to fight back to reclaim it.
 
 

48 posted on 03/08/2014 12:31:03 AM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: expat1000

I believe Obama is also McCain’s good friend, for what that’s worth.


49 posted on 03/08/2014 1:07:33 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: MtnClimber

That’s’ RSPECTFULLY”....! lol


50 posted on 03/08/2014 1:12:39 AM PST by swampfox101 (l)
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