Black and White Hats in Ukraine

Diana West Blog ^ | March 8, 2014 | Diana West

[No One Special]

I have been trying to figure out why from the start I have balked at the mainstream narrative framing the struggle in the Ukraine as that of a classic, black-hat, white-hat struggle  -- Tyranny versus Freedom.

First, there are the players. It's just hard for me to see a white hat on the European Union, which in no way stands for preserving the liberty of the citizen. The EU stands for central control -- "soft" tyranny -- "soft" empire, too, and for the end of national sovereignty. A few weeks ago, in fact, I hailed Switzerland's successful, anti-EU referendum to wrest more control of its borders and immigration policy from Brussels, the EU "capital." Could the EU possibly be suporting the sovereignty of Ukraine, or of any other country for that matter? Certainly, that's what we are to believe, but the evidence is not convincing. Worth remembering also is that the EU is helmed by a bevy of erstwhile Communist, Marxist, Maoist and nuclear freezenik ministers who rule by means of an unelected, non-accountable governing structure that Vladimir Bukovsky has likened to that of the old Soviet Politburo. (I discuss the EU in American Betrayal in the context of who really won the Cold War.)   

Another player is the John Kerry State Department, whose public face in Ukraine has been Victoria Nuland's. It is amazing to me that the "intercepted" phone call in which Nuland (recently of Benghazi talking points notoriety) sets forth her roster for the post-Yanukovych government hasn't flowered into full-blooming scandal. Nobody in the media seems to care a fig. Is it really a good and Constitutional thing that American bureacrats seem to be secretly determining the makeup of foreign governments? Isn't this a question worth some attention from, I don't know, Congress?

Then there's the nature of the former Ukrainian president's powers. Was Yanukovych a duly elected leader? By all accounts, it does seem that his presidential election was legitimate. So, then, what are we talking about? The democratic process in action, or mobocracy -- and a coup?

Then there are the origins of said democracy in action (read: coup). Geert Wilders, speaking this month in the Dutch parliament in opposition to sending Dutch money to Ukraine in the EU's multi-billion-Euro package, denouced the EU's role in Ukraine in vivid terms.

From Renew America's translation of Wilders' remarks:

Mr Verhofstadt and Van Baalen [Members of European Parliament] went to Kiev. They wanted to make history. There they stood in a square full of people, including National Socialists, Jew-haters and other anti-democrats. People with helmets and baseball bats. They went where the revolutionaries hang out. On stage they tried to stir up the mob even more.

Mr Verhofstadt spoke in no uncertain terms. He talked about a fight, a fight. That is what Brussels supports. And with money. The leader of the VVD [Party for Freedom and Progress], Mr Van Baalen, stood beside him cheering, clenched fists held high.

Shame on them. These shameless Europhiles and their dreams of empire.

Now we have always been told that the EU stands for peace. But now that these two characters have appeared on stage, we know better. The EU stands for war provocation.

Another point to mull: Roughly 25 years ago, when the Soviet Union was coming apart, the heads of these same Western states sanctioning Dictator Putin were all about shoring up Dictator Gorbachev and the keeping the Soviet Union glued together -- even as Red forces killed protestors in various places. Maybe the biggest change in the balance of powers since then is the rise of the EU and its "dreams of empire." 

Another point that seems somehow related is that four years ago Dictator Putin may well have brought down the airplane carrying almost the entire Polish government to memorial services for the Katyn Massacre -- certainly, if true, a gigantic interference in national sovereignty, not to  mention mass assassination. These same Western elites, however, were silent then, and never sought to investigate.

Now, they, also the US -- the brave, new West -- are all about freedom, sovereignty, rule of law -- or, rather, what the EU calls "European values."

In EU-speak, it's not the same thing.

[No One Special]

I am for the good people of Ukraine banding together to form an independent nation of their own and no, Ms. West is not a Putin fan girl. :-)

[Nifster]

I agree with you....’Ms. West’ is however an Alex fangirl

[Forgotten Amendments]

A sober voice. She must be silenced. Let’s hit her with the “F Bomb” (feckless)!

[Regulator]

She’s pointing out that Nuland and the EU idiots precipitated this confrontation with Putin.

Without giving him a pass you can still say that they handed him a pretext.

From what I’m reading Yanukovytch indeed won the election, largely because the opposition was incompetent and divided.

He then set about making himself Tsar. That’s what got the popular revolt going.

But that’s thin gruel. Gave Putin a fig leaf. And something to stir up the pro-Russian forces in Ukraine.

If he can’t have all of his Russian Empire back, he’ll settle for half of Ukraine. Appears to be working that today: Russian troops now in mainland Ukraine, North of Crimea, setting up a border.

Nuland and the pasty faced EUcrats didn’t think he’d do it.

Guess they found out. Poking the Bear made him wake up.

[1rudeboy]

When I read “First, there are the players,” I thought I’d be reading a clear-eyed look at both sides. Did she mention Putin even once?

[1rudeboy]

Never mind, she mentions him twice, in passing.

[Marguerite]

“Another player is the John Kerry State Department, whose public face in Ukraine has been Victoria Nuland’s. It is amazing to me that the “intercepted” phone call in which Nuland (recently of Benghazi talking points notoriety) sets forth her roster for the post-Yanukovych government hasn’t flowered into full-blooming scandal. Nobody in the media seems to care a fig. Is it really a good and Constitutional thing that American bureacrats seem to be secretly determining the makeup of foreign governments? Isn’t this a question worth some attention from, I don’t know, Congress?”

US Sub-Secretary Victoria Nuland was setting up the “new” Maidan-putschist government of Ukraine, as proven in this phonecall with US ambassador to Kiev Geoffrey Pyatt ...

youtu.be/NTos0duooaU

“F**k the EU” - US diplomat embarrassed after undiplomatic language caught on tape

youtu.be/bdygnTrrGVI

‘This is what you cook for Ukraine?’ State Dept Psaki grilled over leaked tape

youtu.be/jW1WDbDX7wE

[Viennacon]

Wilders is very right that Ukraine is a basket case whose economic problems are now going to fall at the feet of Dutch taxpayers.

I do find it disturbing, thee Nuland phone call. Surely she should be called into a committee for that.

[No One Special]

You appear confused. I’ll give you a clue. The main target is us, the American people. Both Putin and the EU want us to go away for then they can have the world

[1rudeboy]

Well the US has certainly “gone away” from Ukraine.

[Forgotten Amendments]

Another point to mull: Roughly 25 years ago, when the Soviet Union was coming apart, the heads of these same Western states sanctioning Dictator Putin were all about shoring up Dictator Gorbachev and the keeping the Soviet Union glued together -- even as Red forces killed protestors in various places.

Can't be reminded of that enough. "Suicidal nationalism". The "joke" was that GHW Bush's biggest defeat was his failure to save communism.

[FreeReign]

Is it really a good and Constitutional thing that American bureacrats seem to be secretly determining the makeup of foreign governments?

Looks like she is trying to determine the government makeup of Ukraine. You left out the word "trying".

There's a logical difference between doing something and trying to do something.

Hopefully she doesn't succeed.

Obama's technocrats will not help the people of Ukraine similar to the way Putin's autocrats will not help the people of Ukraine.

[No One Special]

Don’t give up on them. Do what you can.

[Marguerite]

“Looks like she is trying to determine the government makeup of Ukraine.”

Look who are Kiev puchists’ “president” and the “prime minister” - Nuland’s choices.

[FreeReign]

Look who are Kiev puchists’ “president” and the “prime minister” - Nuland’s choices.

My audio is out.

What names did she give?

[Marguerite]

“My audio is out.”

Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt phonecall

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

[FreeReign]

Thanks for the link.

Going to have to read it again later.

A very quick read now shows to me that the US, EU and Russia all are trying to get their guys to run in the election.

The problem with the US push on this is that Obama wants a "technocratic" government in Ukraine. It's times like this that a Ronald Reagan is needed.

Screw Putin, Obama and the EU.

Let freedom and self determination prevail in Ukraine.

[Marguerite]

"Another player is the John Kerry State Department, whose public face in Ukraine has been Victoria Nuland's. It is amazing to me that the "intercepted" phone call in which Nuland (recently of Benghazi talking points notoriety) sets forth her roster for the post-Yanukovych government hasn't flowered into full-blooming scandal. Nobody in the media seems to care a fig. Is it really a good and Constitutional thing that American bureacrats seem to be secretly determining the makeup of foreign governments? Isn't this a question worth some attention from, I don't know, Congress?"

Recently , leaked emails of Vitaly Klitschko (the boxer to be candidate for president in Ukraine that Nuland was talking about in the phonecall) are showing treason. Notice the emails datation (long before the coup d'état):

[Marguerite]

Confidential e-mails of Klitschko leaked

Hello
We are Anonymous Ukraine
We’ve hacked e-mail account of Laurynas Jonavicius – the adviser to the President of Lithuania. We’ve downloaded all the e-mails that were sent to him and discovered letters from Vitali Klitschko.
The content of these letters shows how Western countries finance and control Vitali Klitschko through intermediary of Lithuanian government.

https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/?p=17432