Posted on 04/02/2014 9:13:47 AM PDT by Shery
I believe that you are right.
Thank you Shery for the information. This gives me something to go on when dealing with her.
I have to agree with SubMareener, e-s. You cite Matthew 24 for one of the scriptures to support that Christians will still be here during the Great Tribulation.
I see two or three things in that chapter that tell me we won’t. For instance, v37, “But as the days of Noe were...”, talking about people not suspecting the end was coming. God didn’t let Noah go through the flood. This tells me that God’s people will be saved from destruction - that we will be taken away.
Now, I understand that Noah’s family rode out the flood, and that could be interpreted as riding out the tribulation for us, but being insulated from the destruction as Noah was seems to tell me that I won’t be in it.
Those Christians who are mentioned in the chapter that are going through all the problems can be seen as those saved after the Rapture without doing any damage to the scripture.
Whether we are left, or we are taken out - I will accept what God gives, and know the end result will be wonderful.
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It’s amazing how this Rapture theory is being propagated. I can’t think of one TV super preacher that doesn’t profess it. I guess that’s why the Lord said that the “whole world will whore after him”.
You see Yeshua as a liar, by your post.
And Paul to boot.
At the last trump is the stated time for the rapture, both by Yeshua and by Paul. The Revelation also places the resurrection at the 7th trump. There is not one word anywhere in the scriptures that indicates anything else.
And yes Noah did go through the flood, in the ark.
Everything about the trib in scripture points out that it is the tribulation of the saints. That is the whole point of it. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days” is also quite specific.
There is no mention in any scripture of any salvation happening after the first resurrection. The damage done by such a belief is to destroy your belief in Yeshua. God’s wrath is what happens after the end of the trib. (the 7 bowls)
There will be nothing wonderful about the trib; Satan will be wroth, and the saints are who will pay for it. It says that they will kill us.
The pre-trib rapture hoax will be what weakens most and cause them to fail to “endure to the end.”
>> “Do you believe the World Government will be Islamic?” <<
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No, it can’t be. The UN is the framework of it, and it is completely secular.
It’s always been near.
The question is really, when will it be now?
We stopped believing in the pre-trib rapture in the ‘80s. WHen you cannot defend a viewpoint without having to lean on commentaries (of men) and say that a certain word in this particular instance means something it rarely means in Scripture at all was just too ridiculous.I’d grown up believing it, too! But I could not defend it when I tried to. We see the pre-trib view as having decimated the power of the church. When you think a Scripture doesn’t pertain to you, you feel you can ignore the consequences of it, but you do at your own peril. Most Americans await a pre-trib rapture that is not coming. Their faith will be sorely tried when they find themselves in the middle of the “week”, when Antichrist reveals himself by desecrating the temple, then they are going to feel betrayed. This is why Paul warned us to study, to show ourselves approved unto God, to be ready for anything.
To speak of any view other than the pre-trib position is to be considered a heretic in most churches. Not so in other countries, though. Unless they have a Bible that has a lot of American commentaries in them. If they just have a native language, straight translation Bible, they tend to believe that the rapture comes at the 6th seal, just before the 7 trumpets and the 7 bowl judgments. We lived overseas for 25.5 years. (In Turkey for 6 years!)
Praise God. The verse that is mystifying to me is "not one hair on your head will be harmed". You think he is talking about what happened in Daniel?
Obviously so they can put it on youtube to shake anyone out that is a little weak in Christ. Maybe a sarcasm there. But to most people beheading is the most satanic image in town.
1) “Where is America in Bible prophecy?” (when was the last time a South Korean evangelical asked, “Where is South Korea in Bible prophecy?”
2) “When does the Rapture take place, pre-Trib, mid-Trib, or post-Trib?” (loose paraphrase, “Will I still be here when all hell breaks loose?”)
Never mind that Christians in the Middle East are facing tribulation even today (albeit on a smaller scale than the future Great Tribulation), and beheadings are already taking place...
That is just one of the many ways that will be used.
.If the angels don’t know the time, you can be sure that neither you nor anyone else knows......And if the Son, that is, our Lord Jesus, Doesn't know the time of his return, you can 'certainly be sure that no human knows'
Are we really supposed to believe that anyone knows more than Jesus – about his own return!!!
Furthermore..Jesus says, plainly,... at v. 35. Speaking of his coming, Jesus said, “. . . you do not know when the master of the house will come.” ......This man says he knows...... Jesus says to him and everyone, “you do not know.”
In the space of 3 verses Jesus says this three times – “no one knows” “you do not know,” “you do not know!”
But Jesus goes further still telling us that we should not even try to find a date..... He warned us ahead of time that some would try.....
.... In Acts 1:7, regarding the coming of the kingdom, Jesus says,..... “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.”... So why do people try – when Jesus says, don’t?
When we don’t listen to what Jesus clearly instructs, and instead make our/or anothers standard ours we are susceptible to false teaching. Additionally, (for Jesus covers all bases),....He said concerning the coming of the end,..... “And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray” Matthew 24:11..... He knew people would take advantage of others with regard to his second coming. So He even stated in Luke 21:8.... “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and,.... ‘The time is at hand!’.... Do not go after them.”.....
So any time someone sets aside the clear teaching of Scripture – the very words of Jesus – they take up the role of a false teacher.
>> “Where is America in Bible prophecy?” <<
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Cardboard question to anyone that knows the Bible.
America is Manasseh without any reasonable question, but that is not particularly relevant. The only nation that is relevant is Israel. Particularly Judah.
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>> “No we don’t know when Christ is coming, any who say they know are just seeking an audience of followers as all false cult prophets” <<
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You are denying God’s word.
The abomination is the timepiece of the end times. Once the abomination appears at Purim, the rest will play out as per the 1335 day prophecy in Revelation, with the 1335 days landing on the first day of the 7th Biblical month, after four Avivs falling on schedule without any Adar Bets occurring.
This is simple to anyone with an understanding of the ancient Hebrew scriptures, but a complete mystery to any dispy.
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Shouldn’t they be more concerned with a revived Turkish Ottoman Empire?
Of course not...though it’s possible the Muslims nations will be included...they almost have to be initially for the revenues which come from their oil production...which the World Gov. will want to include in their coffers...otherwise the Arab League etc. (whatever they will call their group) would become too powerful...so they will want to include them in order to control them as much as possible.
By that time the world will be horrendously lawless and a strong and firm global “hand” must be used to control it. I can see the Islamists chomping at the bit to have that opportunity.....(their roll of inclusion in the World Order)...especially for any that name Christ...it’s natural for their natures to kill people, they believe it’s their calling. So they can do so believing they are filling Allah’s purpose, and this at the invite of the NWO.
Shouldn’t they be more concerned with a revived Turkish Ottoman Empire?
Of course not...though it’s possible the Muslims nations will be included...they almost have to be initially for the revenues which come from their oil production...which the World Gov. will want to include in their coffers...otherwise the Arab League etc. (whatever they will call their group) would become too powerful...so they will want to include them in order to control them as much as possible.
By that time the world will be horrendously lawless and a strong and firm global “hand” must be used to control it. I can see the Islamists chomping at the bit to have that opportunity.....(their roll of inclusion in the World Order)...especially for any that name Christ...it’s natural for their natures to kill people, they believe it’s their calling. So they can do so believing they are filling Allah’s purpose, and this at the invite of the NWO.
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