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Get ready for the destruction of college football by organized labor
Coach is Right ^ | 4/4/14 | Doug Book

Posted on 04/04/2014 10:21:41 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

Last year, twenty one year old Northwestern University quarterback Kain Colter decided he could “…revolutionize the way collegiate athletes are treated” by forming the first players union in NCAA athletics. A union…”would put the athletes in a position to bargain, to demand things that college athletes have never had before — like stipends, continuing medical coverage after graduation, more concussion testing and even a portion of the profits of the multi-billion dollar windfall created by college football and basketball,” writes CNN reporter Sara Ganim of the benefits players might realize. (1)

On March 26th, the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) regional office in Chicago removed a major impediment preventing players seeking union representation by ruling that Northwestern University is an employer. This makes the approximately 85 players on scholarship university employees, enabling them to organize the first labor union in college athletics. The newly formed union could “…seek representation with the College Athletes Players Association, a first-of-its-kind labor organization, backed by the United Steelworkers.” It was the United Steelworkers that financed the players efforts...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: collegesports; laborunions; ncaa; northwestern
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1 posted on 04/04/2014 10:21:41 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Woulldn’t it make a better statement to pay them a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour?


2 posted on 04/04/2014 10:23:58 AM PDT by umgud
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To: Oldpuppymax

Ridiculous. Guess they lost a few good players to a “brain” profession.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 10:24:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Oldpuppymax
This would be the best thing labor ever did to kill itself in this country.

Mess with college sports? Please, try.

4 posted on 04/04/2014 10:26:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Oldpuppymax

For one thing, the games are going to get a Hell of a lot longer.


5 posted on 04/04/2014 10:26:40 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: umgud

Time and a Half for Overtime!


6 posted on 04/04/2014 10:26:44 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Oldpuppymax

It will not destroy all of college football, as it will only destroy the football programs that do not currently make money.


7 posted on 04/04/2014 10:26:46 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oldpuppymax

My brother and I have discussed this at length. I’m afraid that by the end of my lifetime colleges are going to drop athletics altogether. The football fans calling college football “modern day slavery” better be careful what they ask for.


8 posted on 04/04/2014 10:26:51 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Oldpuppymax

Between the thugs in the NFL and unions in college football.....

Football is destroying itself.


9 posted on 04/04/2014 10:27:15 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: umgud

I have a better solution. If the players want to go down that road, the colleges should readily agree, then completely cut off all scholarships to athletes in all sports, and any benefits or perks.

It would be interesting to watch that happen.


10 posted on 04/04/2014 10:27:25 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Oliviaforever

College football cannot survive if the players are paid ringers, which is ultimately where this is going if they’re unionized. Minimum class loads, limited eligibility, etc. all go away. Cancelled seasons due to labor disputes are only a matter of time. Fan support will dry up.


11 posted on 04/04/2014 10:30:52 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Oldpuppymax
Basic rule of law 101...

Organized labor destroys whatever it touches.

12 posted on 04/04/2014 10:31:59 AM PDT by Tula Git (There IS a coup in America and it's on track and almost complete.)
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To: rlmorel

The scholarships are actually a key component of the rationale to allow unionization. In fact, walk on players can’t even be part of the union. Nor can players at state schools. The whole thing is as big a cluster f*ck as Obamacare.


13 posted on 04/04/2014 10:33:27 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: rlmorel

Take away the scholarships and the perks and you have DIII. I don’t think those schools are bringing in quite the TV revenue that BCS schools taking in.


14 posted on 04/04/2014 10:33:58 AM PDT by oincobx
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To: SoCal Pubbie
The reality is that only a small fraction of college football programs make money. I've heard the figure is somewhere between 5% and 15%. The rest subsidize the program because it is expected.

Seriously, I see no reason why colleges need to provide farm team services to the NFL. I enjoy college football myself but think it is a travesty that a lot of guys who aren't college material get sucked into playing football and don't even get a decent college education in return.

With all the worthless, unmarketable degrees out there, you'd think a college could at least train them to sell cars or run a restaurant so they could at least make a living if they don't make it to the NFL.

15 posted on 04/04/2014 10:34:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

USC, LSU, UCLA, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State et al. will be able to pay their players and even make more money from TV contracts.


16 posted on 04/04/2014 10:34:50 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Buckeye McFrog

LOL


17 posted on 04/04/2014 10:36:02 AM PDT by umgud
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To: Oldpuppymax

I predict the end of the NFL draft within a few years. Why should the best players in college be coerced against their will to play for the worst teams in the NFL. It’s not fair.

I won’t be surprised if his happens.


18 posted on 04/04/2014 10:38:29 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Oldpuppymax

It’s gonna suck when they make their scholarships, housing, food, taxable income...


19 posted on 04/04/2014 10:38:34 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Oldpuppymax

And the union workers are not ‘modern slaves’ to the union bosses? WHY do so many unions have to force people to join their organization?

Today’s young-un’s are simpletons and naïve, like the youngs of all ages.


20 posted on 04/04/2014 10:38:41 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: rlmorel

Soon as they form a union, since they believe they are employees, treat them like one: furnish a 1099 for the value of the scholarship.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 10:38:51 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yes, I think they should try doing this. As if these guys aren’t pampered enough.

But here’s the problem. The various college atheletic association NCAA etc recognize players as non-paid amateurs.

So while we’re at it, why not make the high school atheletes employees also?


22 posted on 04/04/2014 10:40:12 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Oldpuppymax

It will only make me care even less about college football.


23 posted on 04/04/2014 10:41:04 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Oliviaforever

Yes they would be able. I am as rabid an SC fan as you’ll find. I quit watching the day the teams are nothing more than industrial league teams. The system is crazy now but unionization is the death knell.


24 posted on 04/04/2014 10:43:39 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Tula Git

I find it sickening that universities are used as the NBA and NFL minor leagues.

I’m the wrong person to comment on this the more that I think about it. I hate what collegiate sports have become and have too much bias against them :-). For that reason, they can unionize away for all I care ... they’ll be destroyed :-). On second though, forget that ... the unions will get more power back.


25 posted on 04/04/2014 10:43:41 AM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: nikos1121

The NCAA will cease to exist or at least exist as factor in major college football.

Look for the top 30 or 32 money making big college football teams to break away and form a college football league with a massive TV contract.


26 posted on 04/04/2014 10:45:42 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oldpuppymax
"and even a portion of the profits of the multi-billion dollar windfall created by college football and basketball,” writes CNN reporter Sara Ganim of the benefits players might realize."

They already have a portion of the profits, e.g., 4-year scholarships valued at between $60,000 and $400,000 or more, depending on the school, plus access to free medical care, training table food, travel expenses, insider access to employment opportunities, and so forth. Plus opportunities for fame and glory unavailable to ordinary people.
27 posted on 04/04/2014 10:46:46 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SoCal Pubbie

As it is today, many if not most of the football players at major schools are not real college students as they take class loads that could be aced by your average 6th grader.


28 posted on 04/04/2014 10:47:47 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oldpuppymax

Fine with me. They deserve each other.


29 posted on 04/04/2014 10:48:48 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
"For one thing, the games are going to get a Hell of a lot longer."

NCAA basketball tournament games are already stretching my patience. With all the commercials, timeouts, and fouls, it took about 40 minutes to play the last seven minutes of an early round game between Gonzaga and Oklahoma State. 88 free-throw attempts.
30 posted on 04/04/2014 10:49:44 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Oldpuppymax

I figure it will drive sports back to true intramural/intercollege rivalries like in the late 1800s early 1900s - may see a resurface of the academies :)


31 posted on 04/04/2014 10:54:05 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Unionize college athletes? Ok, but under two conditions: (1) No student-athlete is admitted to school unless he/she would qualify for admission under the rules applying to everyone else; (2) Athletic scholarships are eliminated. Treat them as they want to be treated - as employees, not “student-athletes,” similar to students working in the school cafeteria or library. Fair enough?


32 posted on 04/04/2014 10:55:09 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Oliviaforever
Look for the top 30 or 32 money making big college football teams to break away and form a college football league with a massive TV contract.

Well said. That's where it's headed. NCAA will hold on to the other sports, but football's definitely going their own way.

33 posted on 04/04/2014 10:55:39 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: reed13k
"I figure it will drive sports back to true intramural/intercollege rivalries like in the late 1800s early 1900s - may see a resurface of the academies :)"

That's kind of in-line with my thinking. Just eliminate entirely this "student athlete" farce where many can't even speak grammatical English. Eliminate athletic scholarships for those who wouldn't otherwise qualify for admission.
34 posted on 04/04/2014 10:57:51 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Oliviaforever

That’s true I’m sure. But one class and being on the team eight years in a row won’t fly.


35 posted on 04/04/2014 10:58:21 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Night Hides Not
"Well said. That's where it's headed. NCAA will hold on to the other sports, but football's definitely going their own way."

The logic of this thing - to me - seems that if the athletes are considered employees, they need not be considered students anymore, and could just be hired to play a sport without any academic requirement whatsoever.
36 posted on 04/04/2014 11:01:23 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: oincobx

“Take away the scholarships and the perks and you have DIII. I don’t think those schools are bringing in quite the TV revenue that BCS schools taking in.”

The NFL should just create a three year farm system. There are hundreds of football programs across the country. Put high school seniors into the draft and have at it.

Those who want to stay in college and get something of an education and play football should do so.


37 posted on 04/04/2014 11:04:48 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: rlmorel

All these pampered college football players will end up like AA baseball players, playing on small NFL “farm” teams for starvation wages.

Beginning commercial pilots trying to “build time” used fly for the regional carriers and often earned about $20k/year. Many also delivered pizzas to make ends meet. This is all after they had spent in the neighborhood of $50K-$100K or more to get their required training Commercial - multiengine, instrument and 250 hours flight time. Recent changes in FAA reqs now require even co-pilots at the regional carriers to have an ATP rating and 1500 hours. Who knows how that is going to work out!

The jocks ought to be grateful for a free college education, training in game they enjoy and free advertising for their hoped-for professional careers.


38 posted on 04/04/2014 11:07:09 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: Steve_Seattle

The mob wants “The Games,” and academics be damned!


39 posted on 04/04/2014 11:07:54 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Truthfully, college sports is a waste. It is entirely unrelated to education, often consuming far more resources than it provides, and the “students” who pass through such programs often matriculate to skid row with lifelong and crippling injuries.

Yes, it provides entertainment for lots of people, but then again, so did gladiatorial contests in the old Roman Empire, for about the same reasons.

So, will paying students even half a professional salary for four years make up for the rest of their lives? The *average* salary in the NFL is $1.9 million, but that is averaging a handful of multi-million players against the much lower pay of rank and file players. Ordinary players make around $200,000 a year. Their average career is between 3.5 and 6 years.

The bottom line is that college sports should just be a more grown up version of high school sports. Either that or pay the athletes a lot more than they are being paid now.


40 posted on 04/04/2014 11:08:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

As they do today, they would have to pretend that the players are actual college students and thus would only have eligibility for four years. However, we do have to face the facts of the reality of many of today’s college athletes.

As one college administrator once told me, “To say that some of our players are illiterate, would be an insult to the illiterate folks around the world.”


41 posted on 04/04/2014 11:08:40 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: BwanaNdege

I had no idea that pilots started that low.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 11:16:39 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
I would love to see Northwestern respond by withdrawing all athletic scholarship offers, all perks to athletes, etc. Basically, sacrifice the current athletic program in order to stick it to the ones who want a union. Teach them that there are consequences to actions.

Take the money saved and direct it to services that those who want an education can benefit from...lowering the cost of books, the cost of housing. Tell the Union idiots to go screw themselves.

It will never happen but this crap will continue until someone stands up and says, "Enough!"

43 posted on 04/04/2014 11:20:43 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: buffaloguy
Football is destroying itself.

Nay. Those who lust for money and wealth are destroying football.

44 posted on 04/04/2014 11:22:09 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"Those who want to stay in college and get something of an education and play football should do so."

I'm a fan of college football just as a spectacle, but the phoniness of the "student-athlete" system has bothered me for a long time. I think the DIV III or NAIA model is really the only appropriate one, where the athletes really are students. (My apologies to that minority of DIV I athletes who really are excellent students and could make it academically without their athletic scholarships.)
45 posted on 04/04/2014 11:23:31 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Oldpuppymax; All
With all due respect to Coach Collins I believe that he wrong about this issue with respect to the following argument. (Note the the following material is from a related thread.)

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Fx News's "The Five" were talking about this issue the other day. But since they overlooked some very important constitutional problems with it for some non-obvious reason, I will fill in the void.

When patriots hear about vague federal laws and regulations, the example of this thread concerning unionization, they need check the constitutional validity of what they hear using a few key sections of the Constitution.

The first thing that patriots need to do when they hear about some questionable federal law is the following. They need to look in Congress's constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to find a clause which would reasonably justify such a law in the context that the law is being applied to. And without even bothering to look at these clauses, there's only 18 of them so I have a good idea by now, there is no clause that would reasonably address non-federal government employment, non-military schools or labor unions.

In fact, an examination of Section 8 shows that the Founding States had granted Congress exclusive legislative control only over those entities indicated in Clauses 17 & 18 as examples, the Founding States also making the 10th Amendment to clarify that the states essentially have unique legislative control over intrastate issues which is what this situation is imo.

Next, even if states had delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to address the issues of this thread, patriots also have to consider who is calling the shots concerning a federal regulation. This is because the Founding States had made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, evidently a good place to hide it from many citizens, to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches, or in non-elected government bureaucrats in the constitutionally undefined NLRB. And by establishing such agences Congress is wrongly protecting federal legislative powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of the previously indicated clauses.

Sadly, the reason that many low-information patriots relucatant ask, "How high?" when constitutionally toothless federal agencies like the NLRB shout "JUMP!," is because parents have not been making sure that their children are being taught the federal government's constitutionally limited powers as the Founding States had intended for those powers to be understood.

It's also too bad that the 13th Amendment does not prohibit voluntary servitude, especially to the unconstitutionally big federal government.

Again, patriots need to run a Section 8 checklist and also consider who is calling the shots every time they hear about a strange federal law or regulation.

46 posted on 04/04/2014 11:23:32 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"Nay. Those who lust for money and wealth are destroying football."

One symptom of which is the now almost universal practice of conferences having in-conference playoffs at the end of the regular season. /off-topic comment
47 posted on 04/04/2014 11:26:37 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: oincobx

They are just as fun to watch.


48 posted on 04/04/2014 11:36:12 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I am a Bama fan but will quit watching if colleges go union. F unions and the Cain kolter Dutchbag.


49 posted on 04/04/2014 11:53:55 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Oldpuppymax

Between a rock and a hard place. Hate unions, Hate NCAA.


50 posted on 04/04/2014 12:13:23 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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