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CIA, FBI agents dying for illegal junta in Ukraine
Voice of Russia ^ | 5/19/14

Posted on 05/19/2014 1:47:32 PM PDT by mgist

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Is it wrong that this Russian article is more believable to me than my own beloved nations propaganda, from a President that has used the US military and money, while killing thousands, in support of terrorist drug cartels?
1 posted on 05/19/2014 1:47:32 PM PDT by mgist
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"The US/CIA/NATO have stepped up their military operations and continue to actively wage their secret war in Ukraine against the Ukrainian people in an extremely dangerous poorly planned operation that is failing and carries with it the real threat of sparking off a full-fledged war, if not World War III, against an unwilling Russian Federation which continues to attempt to deal with the aggressive-in-your-face-threat to its security through diplomacy and peaceful means. The recent capture and killing of 25 CIA officers in Ukraine only shows the desperation of the US effort and the complete disregard for not only international law and the people of Ukraine but also for the lives of their own CIA personnel. "

The demon in the oval office cannot get enough blood, even the millions of abortions a year can not sate it.

2 posted on 05/19/2014 1:51:20 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: mgist

I agree:

I would sooner believe this Voice of Russia author than the Regime that currently runs the USA.

I’m not ashamed, either.

I once hated Russia, and I don’t love her now, but most of what this guy is saying is correct.


3 posted on 05/19/2014 1:53:35 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: mgist

Yes, it is wrong. But no need to discuss you personal shortcomings.


4 posted on 05/19/2014 1:55:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mgist

The “650 Killed” figure is likely fantasy.

There have been several twitter rumors in recent days of mass desertions among the Army, though, as well as the report today that a Ukrainian “spetnaz” unit surrendered to the rebels near Donetsk.

There are also persistent twitter rumors of Ukrainian Army defecting to the locals.


5 posted on 05/19/2014 1:56:43 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Are they eating babies yet, according to Twitter?


6 posted on 05/19/2014 2:00:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

The whole thing is likely a fantasy. The idea that the US administration would side against the Muslims in Ukraine is laughable.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 2:01:59 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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How come they did not mention the UN? That alone tells you they’re serving up a Jim Jones Kool Aid cocktail. The Russians are consistent about one thing. That is lying. There’s no reason for the CIA or the FBI to operate as soldiers taking on the separatists. The folks doing that are Ukrainians. The majority of Ukrainians don’t want the Russians on their soil nor us. As the operation in Marupol showed, they can take care of business on their own.

Russia is using every means it has to confuse the issue and try to spread dissension.


8 posted on 05/19/2014 2:03:49 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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The inability to discern fact from fiction on either side is just ONE MORE reason for the United States to stay out of this conflict. Nothing that can happen in Ukraine has any impact whatsoever upon our national security, so we have no business meddling there.


9 posted on 05/19/2014 2:07:01 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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Well as far as I’m concerned this is all a turf war for government cartels. Ukraine is a strategically located nation for trafficking into EU. In the same way Mexico, is to the US.

Famed author, Samuel Hersh detailed Obama’s use of the US military to support Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda regimes in,The Red Line and the Rat. They aren’t just terrorist organizations, they are heroin traffickers.

Another strategic point is Syria. Benghazi was about arming Syrian rebels with $millions in cash, and weapons. The rebels are bombing the country, and have pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda a heroin cartel, and 160,000 people have died in that country.

US military is reported to be protecting the Afghan poppy fields, and heroin is flooding world markets. Russian officials have claimed that the heroin coming out of Afghanistan has killed over 500,000 people.

It is also consistent with the FEDS protecting the Sinaloa cartels. Fast and Furious was about Holder’s ATF giving the murderous Sinaloa gangs an arsenal of weapons. Sinaloa members have testified in court they had agreement with US Federal agents to traffic drugs in the US, specifically through Chicago.

Soros is running around dictating policy, and I have a strange fantasy that Putin will just help Soros meet his maker a little sooner. The Father of Lies should be waiting with open arms.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 2:09:09 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Also this:
(National Guard) Ukraine shot soldiers gathered to the side of the militias

National Guard NKVD supposedly killed 10 Ukrainian Soldiers that wanted to “defect”. This is likely the incident outside of Slovyansk that has been tweeted about for several days now.
http://russian.rt.com/article/32428

The coup government admitted to today that a group of soldiers has defected to the Donetsk Republic.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvv.gov.ua%2Fnews.php%3Fnid%3D4816%26lang%3Dua&sandbox=1


11 posted on 05/19/2014 2:10:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Always A Marine

That’s an interesting standard: are we to think that the Cold war should not have been fought because either side used propaganda?


12 posted on 05/19/2014 2:10:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mgist

Soros is far too valuable to Putin as a propaganda tool. To Putin, Soros is better alive than dead.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 2:13:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mgist

Patriotic Americans are helping our Ukrainian allies kill our dirty rotten Russian enemies, and will continue to do so. Any American who supports Russia is a traitor and is helping Russia kill brave patriotic Americans.


14 posted on 05/19/2014 2:17:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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All the Obama administration does at this point is lie.


15 posted on 05/19/2014 2:19:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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“The Russians are consistent about one thing. That is lying. “

This man is clearly wrong. FBI agents aren’t being grunts on the eastern front. But its very likely, almost to a near certainty, that they and the CIA both have a mission to Kiev, advising them on how to suppress the uprising in the east.

That said, just a little thought exercise. You say the Russians are consistent about lying. Can you please tell us the last time after around WWII or Korea you believe our own government has been honest with the people, and not a consistent purveyor of lies, coverups, and misdirection at home?


16 posted on 05/19/2014 2:45:50 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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"The whole thing is likely a fantasy. The idea that the US administration would side against the Muslims in Ukraine is laughable."

The way I read the article is the Christians the US is opposing and the muslims they have and maybe are fighting for and with.

Very near the end it says "In the end you may die in some field near Slavyansk or some other Ukrainian city as you were involved in a "secret" operation to kill Christian women and children for the crime of being "pro-Russian" and they will deny that you exist and your body will rot somewhere in an unmarked grave. Is that what you signed up for? "

17 posted on 05/19/2014 2:47:06 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: 1rudeboy
"Soros is far too valuable to Putin as a propaganda tool. To Putin, Soros is better alive than dead."

As is obama.

18 posted on 05/19/2014 2:49:25 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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I’m sorry but I just can’t believe that Obama would do anything to harm his friend Vladimir with whom he promised to be ‘flexible’.


19 posted on 05/19/2014 2:52:01 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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Nobody is expected to discern what of the enemy propaganda is a lie. But if your own government is 100% dishonest, its insane to follow them into a war. Cold or hot.

Unless of course some childlike part of a person simultaneously believes Obama is a Marxist, a revolutionary, a moslem sympathizer, raised abroad till age 18, and is animated by his dislike of everything American......and that he sometimes leads America in a pure and wholesome directions.


20 posted on 05/19/2014 2:56:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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