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CIA, FBI agents dying for illegal junta in Ukraine
Voice of Russia ^ | 5/19/14

Posted on 05/19/2014 1:47:32 PM PDT by mgist

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To: 1rudeboy
Da, comrade.

Guess what...you're just as dull and boring without the accent.

41 posted on 05/19/2014 5:27:46 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

I just found it amusing that you complimented what essentially is a red (ha!) herring argument.


42 posted on 05/19/2014 6:06:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DesertRhino

There is so much wrong with what you wrote, it’s hard to know where to begin.

The EU brokered an agreement whereby Yanukovich stayed in office and the Maidan protesters would disperse. Moscow, the EU and Yanukovich were all for this agreement, but the Maidan protesters refused it. Don’t you remember that?

So was Obama on the EU’s side that time? Because if he was, then he was also on Russia and Yanukovich’s side and against the Ukrainians. Ukraine says no to Putin, no to Yanukovich, no to the EU, and No to Obama.

None of this has anything to do with gayness or Syria at all. That’s just stupid.


43 posted on 05/19/2014 6:14:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: FreeReign

The conservative European People’s Party is grooming Vladimir Klitschko to represent EU interests in Ukraine. When Nuland said F the EU she was saying F Klitschko.


44 posted on 05/19/2014 6:17:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The conservative European People’s Party is grooming Vladimir Klitschko to represent EU interests in Ukraine. When Nuland said F the EU she was saying F Klitschko.

Nuland was voicing a lot more than this administration's displeasure with one individual...it was more like the entire EU approach toward engineering events and outcomes in the Ukraine.

The other thing that stood out from that Russian "propaganda" leak was just how firmly the US State Dept.'s hand was inserted up the backs of the Ukrainian opposition puppets.

45 posted on 05/19/2014 6:57:58 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mgist

See my tagline.


46 posted on 05/19/2014 7:03:04 PM PDT by McGruff (What if I told you your leaders were lying to you?)
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To: mac_truck

Yes, the EU has not stood up against Putin enough, they have not stood up for US/NATO interests. That is what’s wrong with their approach. The USA must act in our own interests in Ukraine, we can’t count on the EU to stand up to Putin. They won’t. So she was right, and furthermore, she got her way, Klitsch was sidelined and Yats became PM. Good.


47 posted on 05/19/2014 7:12:37 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: 1rudeboy
That’s an interesting standard: are we to think that the Cold war should not have been fought because either side used propaganda?

The Cold War contained a real threat of Soviet invasion of Western Europe. This is no Cold War, there is no threat to the United States, and there is no reason for us to fight anyone on either side of this conflict.

48 posted on 05/19/2014 7:22:05 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Ok, so when China takes Taiwan, no problem. Glad you cleared that up.


49 posted on 05/19/2014 7:25:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

How did you jump from Russia and Ukraine to China and Taiwan? What about Jupiter and Mars?


50 posted on 05/19/2014 7:57:01 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine

Let’s see you explain the difference.


51 posted on 05/19/2014 9:13:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yes, the EU has not stood up against Putin enough, they have not stood up for US/NATO interests.

Hmm...was it in the interest of US/NATO to lose Crimea to the Russians?

That is one end result of American led foreign policy in the region.

52 posted on 05/21/2014 6:22:29 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
The US/NATO did not lose Crimea because it was never ours to lose. Ukraine lost Crimea when they allowed the traitor Yanukovich to sabotage Ukraine in preparation for Putin's unprovoked premeditated aggression against Ukraine.

Russia already had troops in Crimea, so strategically speaking, Putin gained nothing. Putin is all style and no substance. He invaded a tiny region he already held but he lost the entire rest of Ukraine forever. Ukrainians will never forgive Russia now and they will be fighting each other forever. Stupid drooling thug Putin has played right into the hands of his enemies.

53 posted on 05/21/2014 11:47:28 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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The US/NATO did not lose Crimea because it was never ours to lose.

Lol...if you say so, but six years ago the Russian Black Sea fleet was getting ready to decamp Crimea. Now they're going to be based there permanently.

54 posted on 05/21/2014 1:10:44 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Putin never had any intention of giving up Sebastopol. Russia's illegal invasion and anexxation of Crimea was not a reaction to recent events, Putin has been planning it for many years. Putin has never respected Ukrainian statehood because he is a die-hard Soviet Chekist.
55 posted on 05/21/2014 1:18:44 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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