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To: DesertRhino

I’m not on record as saying our government hasn’t lied. The Russians have been consistently caught lying about Ukraine as the situation has progressed. The western media has picked it up but has either not understood the discrepancies or is complicit in disregarding the truth when it disproves the earlier lie.

We have posters here promoting false information. The Russians must have a large number of people putting the crap out. The few news releases that are truthful are so few in comparison to the massive Russian disinformation that it’s hard for the average person to find.

It’s especially bad when respected western sources never validates a story. One picks up the bogus info and it gets repeated.


22 posted on 05/19/2014 3:43:30 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Ok, then lets just take Ukraine. Do you believe Obama, Nuland, McCain, Kerry, the NSA, and the EU are trustworthy in this one situation?
Do you believe that they have been open and honest with the American people as to their motivations, strategic goals, participation, and back channel deals?

I don’t. Though a blind man can see the Russian distortions here, I cannot understand how someone can think our leadership is suddenly honest, clean, and deeply interested in human freedom.
Throughout the world and at home, they are -always- aligned against it.

Its almost a truism at this point that if our government is doing something, that they are hiding the truth of it from us, and it is something of which we would not approve. At this point, if DC is for it, I find it safest to oppose it. And am not often shown to be wrong.


25 posted on 05/19/2014 4:00:20 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: meatloaf

What im saying is that normally, an American should never need to discern whether a foreign source is credible or not. We should be able to look towards our own leaders to know what is happening.

Excepting minor flaws, we could largely do that during the cold war. In WWII and Korea we were fairly well clear on the basic truths or the situation. Mostly what was hidden were military secrets.

Now that is reversed. The military is utterly exposed, but our national strategy is the secret. Its time to face facts. The US government must be held in high suspicion in most matters before us.


26 posted on 05/19/2014 4:09:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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