Posted on 05/19/2014 1:47:32 PM PDT by mgist
The US/CIA/NATO have stepped up their military operations and continue to actively wage their secret war in Ukraine against the Ukrainian people in an extremely dangerous poorly planned operation that is failing and carries with it the real threat of sparking off a full-fledged war, if not World War III, against an unwilling Russian Federation which continues to attempt to deal with the aggressive-in-your-face-threat to its security through diplomacy and peaceful means. The recent capture and killing of 25 CIA officers in Ukraine only shows the desperation of the US effort and the complete disregard for not only international law and the people of Ukraine but also for the lives of their own CIA personnel.
The facts are as follows (backed up by dozens of reports, eyewitness statements and visual evidence): on the 18th of May the People’s Mayor of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov announced that: "Kiev-controlled troops and 'law enforcers' had sustained heavy losses during a so-called ‘counter-terrorist’ operation in the east of the country." "At least 650 servicemen were killed, wounded or taken prisoner in the past ten 10 days," he said.
"There are 70 foreigners among them and of those 13 agents of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were killed and 12 others were wounded", Ponomaryov told reporters.
The Mayor also said that the self-defense forces afflicted heavy losses on Right Sector/Ukrainian army forces and also completely wiped out the junta’s "Alpha" operatives.
According to media and television reports Mayor Ponomaryov stated that with regard to the "… foreign mercenaries in the ranks of Ukrainian executioners, they also suffered losses. According to Ponomarev, a private military company Analizy Systemowe Bartlomiej lost 6 people, Greystone - 14 people, Academi - 50 people. CIA and FBI have lost 25 employees, of which 13 - killed."
"Furthermore, killed or injured 40 soldiers of the 95th airmobile brigade of Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as 20 members of the MUP . Loss Donetsk militias from May 2-12 8 were killed and 3 wounded."
US Denies The Voice of Russia also reported that the CIA denied the claims on a Twitter post, which of course is to be expected: "The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has denied reports of a number of CIA agents allegedly killed in clashes between forces loyal to the Kiev authorities and self-defense units in eastern Ukraine." "A CIA official claimed on the US embassy in Berlin's official Twitter page of the that no such incidents had taken place and that allegations by pro-Russian activists did not correspond to reality."
Plausible Deniability Plausible Deniability is a phrase coined by the CIA itself "to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge."
Due to the fact that the denial comes through a Twitter post and not from an official CIA or FBI statement, or from the White House for that matter, and that the CIA/FBI is heavily involved in illegal operations in Ukraine and has been for decades, I would argue that it is a given that the CIA has lost officers, agents, mercenaries and support staff in Ukraine. That is almost a given, the only question is how many. Illegal Operation.
Due to the huge flow of information and the massive amount of reports, leaks and revelations there is little debate in the media about one simple fact and that fact is what is most troubling about the entire US/CIA/NATO/EU meddling in the sovereign affairs of Ukraine. To make matters worse the US/CIA/NATO/EU undeniably now have blood on their hands, not only that of Ukrainian civilians, Tatars and Russians but also of citizens of other countries.
The fact that is being ignored is that US/CIA/NATO/EU "operations" and meddling in Ukraine are ILLEGAL. From the overthrowing of the democratically elected government, to the shooting and murder of police, to the killing of anyone who is against the junta, to the backing and training of the Right Sector, and finally to the importing of US/CIA/Greystone and other mercenaries to kill Ukrainians, the entire "mission" is illegal.
The United States of America is involved in a dirty illegal war in a country it had no business in being in in the first place. The Ukrainian operation serves no us security interest, it is no "protecting American lives" and it does nothing for the American people, to advance democracy or human rights or anything else. US/NATO want missiles in Ukraine to further threaten Russia which has done nothing but to try to be friends and simply do business. CIA operations in Ukraine are illegal. Period. End of discussion.
I will not go into how many poor innocent Ukrainians have died or suffered in the Nuland coup and since, only to say that those who were burned alive and gassed and murdered in Odessa and other locations in Ukraine will not be forgotten and those responsible, whether they be CIA or nazi trash, will be held accountable.
CIA Recklessly Using Staff as Cannon Fodder This is a message most likely of interest to those poor CIA operatives in Ukraine who are blindly fulfilling the orders of the Agency, the Company, the Farm, Langley or whatever else you want to call it and the "Washington Elites" who have abrogated onto themselves the right to send you off to die in some far off land to fulfill their poorly though out geopolitical objectives and continue to propagate and wage the Cold War that they just can not seem to let go of. Also for all you members of the CIA’s Special Operations Group, NAVY Seals, CIA/Greystone/Academi and the like who are operating in Ukraine. I am a humanist I suppose and am speaking to the human in all of you. I understand that when you signed up you were full of misdirected patriotism, perhaps full of prejudice and hate for "rag heads" and "terrorists" and the like and all you wanted to do was to serve your country and even proudly give your life for the Constitution, the security of the American people and for your "government of the people by the people and for the people". Honorable motivations (other than the racial hatred thing and love of killing of course) but what will you do when you find out you have been used? When your comrades and you are asked to kill women and children or provide intelligence and support for the killing of civilians whose only crime is that they speak Russian and do not want to be ruled by nazis? How will your wives and families feel back in America when they find out you died in some field near Slavyansk and your body was left there to rot because the US Government could not even admit on a Twitter post that you died fulfilling your mission?
There is no justification for what your "leaders" are asking you to do in Ukraine. There is no threat against America other than what they themselves are creating. The Russian people and the Russian Government, no matter how much they are demonize wish the American people and even you no harm. Look at Edward Snowden. He was CIA AND NSA and Russia gave him asylum because he saw the lies and understood the truth about the illegality that he was asked to take part in. Even this certified "enemy of the state" was protected by Russia.
I have written for the world audience and my readers about what is really happening in Ukraine for the last 6 months. Trying to get the truth out to the world and little has changed, now I ask you directly: you who are helping the nazi junta for the US Government, the CIA, Greystone, USAID and the like, stop what you are doing, you are killing innocent people, including your own highly trained citizens. I am pleading to you because your leaders, your president, you secretary of state are doing the bidding of someone other than the American people. Remember who you serve. Remember your Constitution. There is no legitimate reason for you to be subverting Ukraine. The central bankers, the military industrial complex and the Washington elite are not what you signed up to give your life for. Russia is not your enemy. Believe me. Neither is Ukraine. Your enemy and the enemy of all of us is sitting in Kiev right now (the nazi junta) and in Washington’s elite clubs and posh watering holes patting each other on the back for the million dollars they made today. Or is it billion? And for the way they have gotten you to unwittingly go along with their little plan. They must be laughing that you are prepared to die for them.
In the end you may die in some field near Slavyansk or some other Ukrainian city as you were involved in a "secret" operation to kill Christian women and children for the crime of being "pro-Russian" and they will deny that you exist and your body will rot somewhere in an unmarked grave. Is that what you signed up for?
Think about it. Look around you. What are you really doing? The views and opinions expressed above are my own. I can be reached at robles@ruvr.ru.
Your problem is that you are trying to convince people that Obama is some kind of scheming mastermind instead of an ignorant imbecile who couldn’t find Ukraine on a map.
I’m not on record as saying our government hasn’t lied. The Russians have been consistently caught lying about Ukraine as the situation has progressed. The western media has picked it up but has either not understood the discrepancies or is complicit in disregarding the truth when it disproves the earlier lie.
We have posters here promoting false information. The Russians must have a large number of people putting the crap out. The few news releases that are truthful are so few in comparison to the massive Russian disinformation that it’s hard for the average person to find.
It’s especially bad when respected western sources never validates a story. One picks up the bogus info and it gets repeated.
Sorry sparky, never said O was an evil mastermind. I think he is definitely pursuing a plan. But he isn’t very bright personally.
But the question remains. Whether one believes him to be a mastermind, or a dumb ass, do you think he sometimes is suddenly a classic American, doing what is best for America?
You really believe that sometimes Obama is correct in foreign policy, and that we should support his goals. Don’t you?
No. I think his policy is to bend over as flexibly as possible for his good comrade KGB Putin.
Ok, then lets just take Ukraine. Do you believe Obama, Nuland, McCain, Kerry, the NSA, and the EU are trustworthy in this one situation?
Do you believe that they have been open and honest with the American people as to their motivations, strategic goals, participation, and back channel deals?
I don’t. Though a blind man can see the Russian distortions here, I cannot understand how someone can think our leadership is suddenly honest, clean, and deeply interested in human freedom.
Throughout the world and at home, they are -always- aligned against it.
Its almost a truism at this point that if our government is doing something, that they are hiding the truth of it from us, and it is something of which we would not approve. At this point, if DC is for it, I find it safest to oppose it. And am not often shown to be wrong.
What im saying is that normally, an American should never need to discern whether a foreign source is credible or not. We should be able to look towards our own leaders to know what is happening.
Excepting minor flaws, we could largely do that during the cold war. In WWII and Korea we were fairly well clear on the basic truths or the situation. Mostly what was hidden were military secrets.
Now that is reversed. The military is utterly exposed, but our national strategy is the secret. Its time to face facts. The US government must be held in high suspicion in most matters before us.
I think what you are missing is the fact that one can discuss whether the Russian government is being truthful without discussing the Obama Administration.
If his policy was to bend over for Putin, he would have lined up against the Maidan protesters, not supported them.
He would have supported the government or Ukraine when it decided to sign an economic treaty with Russia rather than with the EU.
He is a tool of the EU/NATO,,,not of Putin. Think about it. All his actions support the EU, not Russian interests.
But that’s still giving him too much credit. I think he’s mad at Putin because gay and is bitter about Putin not caving into his pressure to change gay policies. Then Putin stopped Obamas jihad in Syria.
Now Obama is simply after revenge against Putin.
If you think a narcissist like King Barry has friends you're living in a fantasy world. Barry will throw anyone under the bus if that's what it takes to keep his personal bubble intact and the few people he relies on to worship him in his corner.
Vlad has very publicly snubbed and joked about Barry on several occasions, exactly the sort of thing Barry would let fester until he had any opportunity to do something his handlers say would harm Putin.
What you are missing is that it only matters if the American government is truthful. And it isn’t.
Excepting minor flaws, we could largely do that during the cold war. In WWII and Korea we were fairly well clear on the basic truths or the situation. Mostly what was hidden were military secrets.
Now that is reversed. The military is utterly exposed, but our national strategy is the secret. Its time to face facts. The US government must be held in high suspicion in most matters before us.
Concurring bump...very well stated.
Da, comrade.
Dear National Bolshevik Putin Supporters: Please leave Ukraine and go to Russia where you belong. Oh, your leader deserves a bullet to the head.
It’s like anything else, a person needs to be able to reason. Otherwise others will have their way with you. Whether it’s selling toothpaste or the viewpoint that Russia is trying to sell the world. We’re constantly being barraged with information.
Ukraine is a country of little interest for this country. Most Americans have no knowledge of its history or the current situation other than the snippets they pick up from the news.
Most in this country only know the official history or what is taught in school. The real history is much more complex and often opposite what is popularly believed.
Our national strategy has been manipulated by countries that don’t have our best interests in mind. The Saudis have been masters at this as have the Russians. It’s not a secret for those willing to spend the time needed to understand how we got to where we are. Unfortunately this country has deteriorated to the point most can only digest spoon fed sound bites. Beyond that, they lose interest.
Nope, its not ok. More like its irrelevant. It only becomes necessary to discern the honesty of foreign sources AFTER our own becomes known as dishonest. We are there.
Nuland said "F**K the EU" in a tape conversation. Obama's actions against Putin concerning Ukraine have been pretty mild. He doesn't seem to care as much about Ukraine as the EU does.
Times change. The Obama tool is the MBs and not some much the EU's. Clinton was the EU tool. But that was back when the EU seemed like the biggest menace.
When you used the words illegal junta, that is were you revealed yourself. The criminal Yanukovych who fled Ukraine was a thief as were his ministers. You only have to look at the pictures of their estates to understand how much they stole. Putin who heads up a similar criminal group does want the Russian people to know the truth. He does not want the Ukrainian infection of “freedom” spreading to Russia.
If that happened Mr. Putin would be in real danger of receiving a much deserved necktie party.
Yet we have some who post it (Russian propaganda) all day long.
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