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Greenfield: Twilight of the Family
Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, June 01, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 06/01/2014 4:07:35 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell

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To: JRandomFreeper
"If", by Kipling, and also the "Stockdale Paradox":

This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be."

21 posted on 06/01/2014 4:54:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
I'm pretty sure everyone sees the problem. Repeating it over and over may sell articles, but it doesn't do much for fixing the problems.

And articles like this ignore the great gains we've made in things like the 2nd amendment, and closing abortion clinics. Those things have happened since FR started.

Excessive negativity is demoralizing.

/johnny

22 posted on 06/01/2014 5:01:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Louis Foxwell

For the future, I am both pessimistic and optimistic.

My pessimism says that a collapse is coming. Probably within my lifetime, say under 25 years. The collapse may or may not start in the US. That does not matter. Governments and economies are too interwoven for any to escape once it begins. It will not be confined to any country, nor to any continent. The collapse will result in death, both from killings and from “natural” causes, such as exposure and starvation, on a scale that will make the 20th Century look mild. The killings will be done by both government agents, until the collapse overwhelms even the remnants of government, and clashes between individuals and groups of “survivors.”

My optimism is from considering the reconstruction that will follow. People will survive, apply either of the words “some” or “many,” but people will survive. Mankind will revert to tribalism (it is only a short reversion) because that is how we know whom to trust. Families are not dead and gone, because families are the most basic of “tribes,” and form the basis of the larger tribe, as has always been the case.

We won’t collapse to the stone age, but there will be no corner grocery stocked with products from far and wide. Food will have to be produced locally, as has been the case with nearly all our existence. Learn all you can of traditional skills: axe, knife, shovel, rope craft, food growing and preservation, soap making; any manual skill will be of value. Relearn the mending of clothing.

And, we will recover to a somewhat more comfortable existence. But, we better avoid the man who says he can make it all better, if we just follow him.


23 posted on 06/01/2014 5:07:29 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The truth is that there are still plenty of families, with children, and that isn't going to end anytime soon.

I was just gonna say ... Certainly from my personal perspective, it's family, family, family, and not just my own. And then in our wider social interaction, the same thing, except everybody's a $%&*!@ liberal. Go figure!

24 posted on 06/01/2014 5:58:38 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: JRandomFreeper

I see a renewal coming, along with a religious revival.

We are called to support it.

I think the article is a warning and a call to action.


25 posted on 06/01/2014 5:59:30 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I feel Greenfield’s perspective on this issue is lagging the reality of a growing dissatisfaction with the Left’s abuse of traditional America.


26 posted on 06/01/2014 6:01:16 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Really? Is it the government that rejected the constitution, or is it the federalism that established the constitution speeding to its logical conclusion?

Patrick Henry was right when he noted that he smelt a rat in Philadelphia tending toward monarchy.


27 posted on 06/01/2014 6:03:39 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Relocate and Dominate: freestateproject.org)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I sure see a lot of young families with kids out there. True, many aren’t married, but what would you expect when it’s such a bad deal from an economic perspective?


28 posted on 06/01/2014 6:05:24 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Relocate and Dominate: freestateproject.org)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You’re right, Johnny. The eeyores get tiresome after awhile. While I believe that I have significantly less freedom than I did when I was younger, I do see plenty of opportunities for greatness and a better future. See tag line for one example.


29 posted on 06/01/2014 6:09:44 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Relocate and Dominate: freestateproject.org)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Importing large numbers of immigrants into a vital and booming society is a shot in the arm, but doing the same in a troubled society in decline is a shot in the head.

Paging Sen. Cruz - your campaign meme awaits you.

30 posted on 06/01/2014 6:33:36 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: JRandomFreeper

In two hundred years there won’t be enough Germans to keep the language alive... And yeah, the land mass known as “Germany” will still be there - but it’ll be a middle eastern country. Same with most of Europe.

In our country liberal ‘elites’ hate middle class traditional families... we know it - and we’re giving up too. You’re wrong on this JRandom - it’s happening slower here than in Europe - but it’s happening...


31 posted on 06/01/2014 8:31:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (ObamaCare - like buying a pig in a poke...)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Here’s a book you’ll enjoy:

“The Knowledge - How to rebuild our world from Scratch” by Lewis Dartnell...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/10757085/The-Knowledge-How-to-Rebuild-OurWorld-from-Scratch-by-Lewis-Dartnell-review.html

from the above link:

... and his book is full of those “oh!” moments... In the fascinating chapter on substances, for instance, Dartnell talks about the uses of wood. Not merely the obvious one – building stuff out of it – but its importance as a source of industrial chemicals. No doubt many people already know this, but to me it was extraordinary to learn that you can get tar, pitch, acetic acid, turpentine, acetone and methanol out of wood, by heating it and capturing the vapours that pour out – and that the cordite used in the First World War was made using acetone captured in this way (until Britain ran out, and started gleaning acetone from conkers).

Similarly, cement is something I rarely think about. But the invention of so-called “hydraulic” cement, the stuff that sets underwater, was one of the reasons the Romans were able to dominate the Mediterranean – because they could create huge breakwaters of concrete, simply by pouring it into the sea, where there was no natural harbour. Cement itself is based on quicklime, made from limestone, without which little of our civilisation would operate.


32 posted on 06/01/2014 8:42:51 PM PDT by GOPJ (ObamaCare - like buying a pig in a poke...)
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To: GOPJ

Thank you. $21.13 at Amazon. It’s on my wish list.


33 posted on 06/01/2014 8:50:27 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: GOPJ
we know it - and we’re giving up too

You may be, but not everyone is. Try getting away from television for a while, and see if that doesn't help. A steady mental diet of liberal crap can make anyone depressed.

/johnny

34 posted on 06/01/2014 8:56:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thanks JRandom for the encouragement...I’m not totally giving up... did you see post #32?


35 posted on 06/01/2014 9:07:50 PM PDT by GOPJ (ObamaCare - like buying a pig in a poke...)
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To: GOPJ
No, I hadn't seen that book. I've been putting together something similar for my grandchildren. I've also been teaching them the skills. Book larnen' is good, but there is nothing like actual OJT to make it real. ;)

/johnny

36 posted on 06/01/2014 9:11:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GOPJ
In our country liberal ‘elites’ hate middle class traditional families...

But the liberal elites ARE middle class traditional families. True enough though, they hate themselves. It's WHITE GUILT, the hidden throbbing power source of liberal politics.

37 posted on 06/01/2014 9:56:09 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Louis Foxwell

Bumping an excellent exposition of our parlous state.


38 posted on 06/02/2014 5:51:29 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Paladin2

“Only half are paying in. In both time and money.”

We pretend the system can be made to work and the system pretends to take care of us.


39 posted on 06/02/2014 6:12:01 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“The government that took us into a terrible bloody war to overcome racial slavery has transformed into slavemaster of all the citizenry.”

Regretfully, I must point out the sad reality that the public willingly went to the government feeding troughs. We have allowed ourselves and our children to become the Gimme Pig and the GibsMeDat generation.

Pigs always are slaughtered, and those with their snouts in the trough are getting nervous because the trough is going empty and the smell of blood is in the air.


40 posted on 06/02/2014 6:16:51 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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