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The Marines Are Looking For A Few Good (Combat-Ready) Women
National Public Radio ^ | July 7, 2014 | Tom Bowman

Posted on 07/07/2014 6:32:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The challenge for the Marines, and for the Army, is how to open up ground combat jobs to women in January 2016, without lowering standards.

And here's where things stand in the Marines.

Eighty-five female Marines already made it through an infantry training course last fall at Camp Lejeune, N.C., which included drills such as attacking a mock enemy force, hidden in a pine forest. That course lasted eight weeks, and the men and women all completed the same training.

Now the Marines have a more ambitious plan that will take a new group of volunteers from the deserts to the beaches to the mountains during the next year.

More than 160 women will be taking part in a training exercise that will start this summer that will stretch well into next year. It will include simulated combat exercises in the Mojave Desert, Pacific Coast beaches and the Sierra Nevada mountains.

The Marines will march with 100-pound packs, mount an attack that will include tanks, then dig a defensive position. They'll practice pulling a wounded Marine to safety. They'll crawl over obstacles. Climb mountains and cliffs....

(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: feminism; marines; military; usmc

1 posted on 07/07/2014 6:32:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had the impression that the exercise was a colossal failure.

Was I wrong?


2 posted on 07/07/2014 6:38:03 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

just don’t believe those women are carrying 100# backpacks or that they will be carrying them any time in the future for any length of time - these are not big women in the picture- All the best to ‘em!


3 posted on 07/07/2014 6:38:14 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: x1stcav

It will succeed because it has to succeed.


4 posted on 07/07/2014 6:39:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Sioux-san

The women in the pic are carrying 55# packs but the article talks 100# packs. It looks like a puff piece to me.


5 posted on 07/07/2014 6:39:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you can’t pass the final obstacle course at Parris Island on you own, you don’t deserve to be in the Marine infantry. Upper body strength is mandatory. What’s a quick force Marine unit carrying 100lb packs for anyway. BS.


6 posted on 07/07/2014 6:43:45 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I could not see anyone volunteering to put their lives on the line for the current commander in chief


7 posted on 07/07/2014 6:45:20 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“is how to open up ground combat jobs to women in January 2016, without lowering standards.”

Why is there an imperative to open combat jobs to women? What actual benefit to the military could be procured from this effort? None. Its social engineering.


8 posted on 07/07/2014 6:46:21 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is nothing less than insanity. It is likely treason.

The idea is not to create a group of warrior women. It is not to create amazon fighters who will be as effective as the men.

There is one purpose and only one purpose to the exercise. It is the undermine and ultimately destroy the effectiveness of what is now the best fighting force in the world. It is to create a situation where good marines get killed or injured and are put in positions where they are compromised.

Just as Obama invited the parents of a deserter to be honored in the White House this is meant to undermine our military and weaken America.

Every time a courageous marine is killed or injured liberal Democrats in America cheer and celebrate. It is what they want.

9 posted on 07/07/2014 6:47:01 PM PDT by detective
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To: x1stcav

Marine Infantry Officer Course.


10 posted on 07/07/2014 6:47:56 PM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: x1stcav

None of the female officers they’ve sent to the infantry officers course have completed it. But the ones on the enlisted side have done quite well so far.


11 posted on 07/07/2014 6:48:16 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s strange. I distinctly remember reading that none of the women had passed the course.


12 posted on 07/07/2014 6:57:48 PM PDT by MNnice
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To: jazusamo

they may be 55# packs but I would bet you money there isn’t 55# in the packs - Puff on Marines - sorry you had to go over to the Other Side.


13 posted on 07/07/2014 6:57:49 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: GrootheWanderer; Theoria

That makes sense. I think the officer course is more physically demanding.

Thanks.


14 posted on 07/07/2014 7:02:02 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: Sioux-san

Other side? Read the caption under the pic.


15 posted on 07/07/2014 7:02:30 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: MNnice

that’s what I read, too - let the misinformation fly!


16 posted on 07/07/2014 7:03:14 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep. The Marine Corps has its orders.


17 posted on 07/07/2014 7:03:21 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: jazusamo

The Other Side - I realize the Marines must do this by edict, I just wish they would have held out and said No to it. Not their fault, I realize.


18 posted on 07/07/2014 7:06:12 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

You can bet the Marines at the Chosin reservoir weren’t carrying 55# packs trying to evade our most favored trading partner. (sic) I opened the door for an old Korean vet the other day, he said thank you young man. Normally I wouldn’t let this slide, but he put a grin on my face this time.


19 posted on 07/07/2014 7:09:57 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The pusification of our Military is embarrassing.


20 posted on 07/07/2014 7:10:24 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Viennacon

where are the feminists demanding infantry and marines must be 51% female to match the population %?


21 posted on 07/07/2014 7:10:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: OftheOhio

it all makes no sense these huge weights - what are they trying to tell us? The women can handle anything even if they shouldn’t have to, nor should the men - it’s all insane.


22 posted on 07/07/2014 7:11:28 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My wife is combat ready. We fight every day. (padum dump!)


23 posted on 07/07/2014 7:13:12 PM PDT by llevrok (Straight. Since 1950.)
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To: detective

No, you’re wrong. Weakening the military is just a byproduct. The real goalis change — radical social transformation. It’s what Obama promised, and what he’s delivering. I don’t know why everyone’s so surprised.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 7:22:59 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
“The real goalis change”

No I'm right.

The “change” that the Obama Administration wants is to change America from the wealthiest most powerful country in the world into a weak, backward third world dictatorship. Obama is not pressuring his friends in the Muslim Brotherhood or other radical Muslim terrorists to change how they treat women.

Obama only wants to impose “change” such as rules of engagement that guarantee American servicemen are killed and lowering the standards in the military on Americans.

Obama’s only goal is to weaken and destroy America.

25 posted on 07/07/2014 7:36:34 PM PDT by detective
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When are women age 19 - 25 going to be required to register for Selective Service at the post office like young men are currently required to do?


26 posted on 07/07/2014 8:28:41 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Sioux-san
it all makes no sense these huge weights - what are they trying to tell us? The women can handle anything even if they shouldn’t have to, nor should the men - it’s all insane.

Are you saying that carrying a 55 to 100lb pack is not necessary? If so, what is your reasoning?

BTW, In Vietnam my pack at the beginning of an operation usually weighed 65 to 95lbs. The lighter weights were when we were in the mountains.

Instead of carrying a weeks worth of two meals per day we only carried one meal per day and sometimes omitted the helmet and the spare radio battery for a one week patrol. Also left shaving gear, etc back at base camp, just to get the weight down.

After 'Nam while on a training exercise in mountains of Korea, the three enlisted radio operators on my Forward Air Controller team carried packs of 105# to 110#. The "little guy (5' 7", 135#) had the lightest. My pack was 115#. I was 5'8", 160# at the time.

Our packs had 50# lbs of radios & spare batteries, chow, water, helmet & flak jacket, weapons (no ammo or frags, which would have added 12-15 lbs, minimum), sleeping bag, rain pancho, cold weather gear plus a dry change of clothing.

27 posted on 07/07/2014 8:31:17 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: BwanaNdege

I am not saying that - it might be necessary to be able to drag or carry a 200# injured soldier. I don’t believe that 99% of the women can do that or 55 or 100 pounds, and that means they aren’t doing what the men can do and need to do.


28 posted on 07/07/2014 8:38:43 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Marines Are Looking For A Few Good (Combat-Ready) Women

From what I have read on the subject that is all they will find. A few.

Women have a role in the armed forces. It's just not in the front lines.

29 posted on 07/07/2014 8:41:19 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Sioux-san

Sorry, I understood it as you were saying that the the men did not need to carry 55 to 100lb packs.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 8:50:56 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: BwanaNdege

no problem - I can confuse myself sometimes ;)


31 posted on 07/07/2014 8:53:11 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: MNnice; Sioux-san

That was the Marine Corps Infantry Officers Course. No females have passed it yet.


32 posted on 07/07/2014 9:13:11 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How much is this social experiment costing the tax payers? How much is it effecting budgets and readiness?


33 posted on 07/07/2014 9:15:03 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: BwanaNdege

Were you a Marine, you didn’t say. I can see where a forward air post would be humping some major gear. But for some assault personnel to be humping that much gear is idiotic. No doubt the prc-25 and antenna was a heavy piece of equipment. I worked on a backpack radio switch for the prc-117, (not that much lighter believe me) for normal and satellite comm function. 100 prototypes partially assembled in my kitchen for the war in Irag and Afghanistan (forward air control). I took my job seriously when I was last working, no thanks to defense cutbacks under the “won”


34 posted on 07/07/2014 9:39:17 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: OftheOhio
Yes, I served two active duty hitches in the Corps. First was enlisted 1968-69 and the second was commissioned officer, '72-78. The Korea exercise I mentioned was not a "forward air post". We were attached to a rifle (infantry) company and moved with them.

But for some assault personnel to be humping that much gear is idiotic.

They have to eat, drink water, carry weapon(s), ammo, etc. Your load is divided into assault items and everyday life items. When you get to the Line of Departure to begin the Assault Phase, you drop the everyday life items and make the assault with your fighting load - weapons & ammo & comm gear.

We had one operation where resupply was not possible for almost two weeks (our company was on patrol and engaged with an NVA battalion). We normally carried a week's worth of meals, but had cut down to one meal a day then finally ran out of food. I was a radio operator and rarely fired my M-16 (I rated a .45, but I preferred to "reach out...way out, and touch someone"). However, I humped 500 rounds of ammo. This particular Op I was down to 120 rounds when it became necessary to share with my buddies. It is no fun getting low on ammo.

I carried the PRC-25, spares (battery, handset & antenna). My job was to communicate, no matter what. Assistant machine gunners carried one or two boxes of gun ammo. Regular grunts in a fire team often carried 60mm mortar ammo or LAAWs in addition to their own gear.

There is a reason they call us "Grunts".

35 posted on 07/08/2014 5:38:14 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been to 29 Palms (Mojave desert) in both winter and summer. It is VERY unforgiving! The intense heat and bitter cold will not care if one is a man or woman.


36 posted on 07/08/2014 8:21:12 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: oldbrowser

Remember the oath is to “support and defend the Constitution” not the President.


37 posted on 07/08/2014 8:22:43 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: BwanaNdege

Semper Fi, my time in the Corps was ‘70-’74. The only thing I ever humped was comm/nav gear for phantoms and intruders. Pretty funny, we were both radio men. My last CO had spent 7 years as a pow. Captain Marvel (what a heroic name) was only promoted two ranks to light colonel for all that time spent. Seems like Marines sure had to earn their rank.


38 posted on 07/08/2014 11:17:41 AM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: OftheOhio
Seems like Marines sure had to earn their rank.

Marines usually have to earn everything. To my way of thinking, your CO more than earned his two grade promotion and then some.

I crawled out of a tunnel one day to see spit-shined jungle boots, a white head of hair and three stars on each shoulder. It was Army Lt. General Stilwell, XXIV US Army Corps Commander.

"How's it going, son? I think you men are doing a wonderful job in these tunnels, I'm going to see that you all make sergeant and get a Bronze Star!" (The four of us were all PFCs and L/Cpls at the time) Naturally, that was the last we saw of Gen. Stilwell or heard of any promotion or Bronze Star. Things work differently in the Army, I guess. The Corps figured what we did was worth a Navy Achievement, though, so I was grateful for that.

39 posted on 07/08/2014 12:22:00 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: rfreedom4u
Remember the oath is to “support and defend the Constitution” not the President.FRrfreedom4u

Tagable... OK with you?

40 posted on 07/08/2014 2:21:53 PM PDT by GOPJ (Remember the oath is to “support and defend the Constitution” not the President.FRrfreedom4u)
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To: BwanaNdege

Great post. My son is currently in TBS at Quantico. I hope I have given him enough foundation to deal with all the bullshit.

He did a term in the Reserves - only one deployment. Was Field Radio Operator.


41 posted on 07/08/2014 2:33:07 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: GOPJ

OK with me!


42 posted on 07/08/2014 2:50:27 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: don-o

Ah, TBS...The Basic School.

“Two weeks of intensive study crammed into 6 months.”

Actually, I appreciated TBS. I was part of the group headed to Pensacola after TBS, but after having been an enlisted grunt in Vietnam, TBS meant something.

Especially after Mrs BN & I made our formal “social call” to the XO and his lady. He had flown the RF-8 Crusader photo missions over Cuba during the Missile Crisis. He gave me the “benevolent Dutch uncle” lecture about paying attention in TBS, even though I would be heading to Flight School.

He told of his tour on Vietnam as the Operations Officer (G-3) for the 3rd Marine Division, in combat, and how he had two regimental G-3s working under him who were pilots, plus two rifle company commanders, in the bush, who were also pilots.

“Pay attention! Every Marine is a Rifleman and every Marine lieutenant is a Rifle Platoon commander.”

Ooooh Rah!, and Semper Fi!

BTW, I checked your “About Me” page. It looks like you have given your son an excellent foundation. We NEED men like him in the Corps!


43 posted on 07/09/2014 6:44:35 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: BwanaNdege

I love to hear the stories that Marines have to tell. When I told a Marine friend at work that Ben had enlisted, he said to me, “You are part of the family now. You will find out what that means.”

I generally do not join groups - though I did have a thread on Leatherneck.com that ran through his recruit training. That helped me a lot to deal with the anxiety I had.

Some people on this board say that patriots should abandon the military. I am proud of the choice my son made. When I asked him why the Marines instead of an “easier” path, he said two things.

“I want to serve my country.”

I want to be the best.”


44 posted on 07/09/2014 7:07:22 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: BwanaNdege

All the weight is tearing up the ladies lower limbs. Even in the USAF you see a lot of airman walking around in sneakers because their feet are getting torn up.


45 posted on 07/09/2014 4:03:46 PM PDT by USAF80
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