"Coronary By Cop": Should Police Follow Suspects' Orders, Or The Other Way Around?

ClashDaily.com ^ | 7/21/14 | Donald Joy

[spel_grammer_an_punct_polise]

It seems that in this instance the copthugs were justified in their actions.

However, that does not preclude my dislike of copthugs, does it? ;-)

[sakic]

He was still a tad larger than Fat Elvis.

Elvis was a criminal and lowlife, yet he is revered by some. Maybe this guy could sing, too.

[mmichaels1970]

Do you really think it was just for looseys?

Thus the "at least from what I've read" caveat.

Do you know so little about the inner city that you are unaware of what he was doing out there?

I split time between Cleveland and Akron frequently. I can't say I know everything, but I'm out on the streets quite a bit.

Every story I've read says that police suspected him of selling loose cigarettes. Whatever he's done in the past shouldn't have bearing on the situation. An officer can think whatever he wants. But if in this case the officer was acting on the selling of loose cigarettes, it's a bs reason imho for him to get taken to the ground.

Loose cigarettes are a bs way to claim probable cause.

I saw the video. I really don't blame the cops as much as I blame the anti-cig radicals themselves. It's easy to say "aw heck, we knew what was REALLY going on there". It's very easy when it isn't me the cops are taking down.

[ArmstedFragg]

What help is it you’re proposing providing? As a rule of thumb, you don’t give CPR to someone who has a pulse.

[RedStateRocker]

See- it proves their point: cigarettes will kill you!
/sarc

[sakic]

I am not trained in that area. Cops are.

I will venture a guess that the manual does not have the passage “Walk away from the unconscious guy in cuffs and tell each other jokes”.

[zek157]

If they just stick to shooting dogs they are OK...

[TalonDJ]

Do what they say or they will protect and serve you to death.

[IChing]

Right, because unconscious enroute to the hospital never expire before arriving or upon arriving.

[IChing]

Glad you pointed that out, you’re right.

[wideawake]

Whatever he's done in the past shouldn't have bearing on the situation.

That's absolutely ridiculous. Of course it should.

Loose cigarettes are a bs way to claim probable cause.

Commission of a crime is not probable cause? Please tell me you're not a lawyer.

The reality: a 350lb, 40+ year old man does not stand outside in the heat for hours in the middle of sidewalk just to sell loose cigarettes.

He is there as a lookout for people who are selling things that are stronger.

And part of his job is to argue with and stall the police.

He knew precisely what he was doing.

[sakic]

I thought everyone watching the tape could figure out that the guy went unconscious at the hands of the cops. If police brought down a relative of yours and rendered him unconscious while he was saying that he could not breathe, and they then walked away and laughed, your attitude would be that it was done by the book. Sure, it would.

[IChing]

Someone else on the thread pointed out that you don’t give CPR to someone who has a pulse. I’ll add that nor do you give mouth-to-mouth to someone who is breathing.

[sakic]

He may have been doing something other than selling cigs, but how you know this is a mystery to me.

Even if he was doing what you say, the officers’ actions would still be wrong after they took him down.

[IChing]

Well done.

[IChing]

He had a pulse and was breathing after he went unconscious. Both the police and paramedics verified this at the scene before transporting him. You don’t administer CPR nor mouth-to-mouth to someone with a pulse who is breathing.

[wideawake]

He may have been doing something other than selling cigs, but how you know this is a mystery to me.

That cornerback may have been up to something other than just running as fast downfield as he could, but how anyone could possibly know that he was planning to break up a passing play is a mystery.

Even if he was doing what you say, the officers’ actions would still be wrong after they took him down.

What did they do wrong, exactly?

Do you think that no criminal would ever stoop to something so low as to fake distress and play possum?

They took him down, they checked his pulse when he went out, they got him on an ambulance.

[IChing]

He had a pulse and was breathing after he went unconscious. Both the police and paramedics verified this at the scene before transporting him. You don’t administer CPR nor mouth-to-mouth to someone with a pulse who is breathing.

[mmichaels1970]

Commission of a crime is not probable cause?

As I have said, I do not really blame the police. I blame the state that created the market for loose cigarettes by there method of prohibition by excessive taxation.

The reality: a 350lb, 40+ year old man does not stand outside in the heat for hours in the middle of sidewalk just to sell loose cigarettes.

That's conjecture. I see people standing out on the corners of Cleveland, Akron, and suburban freeway exit ramps in 80+ degree heat with signs begging for loose change. I can absolutely see the same type of person out picking up a buck or two per cigarette.

He is there as a lookout for people who are selling things that are stronger.

That's also conjecture.

I believe New York is #1 in the country for the sale of black-market cigarettes. I think LA is #2. I saw a report that 60% of cigarettes smoked in NYC are bought off of the black market. To me, it is very possible he was simply out hustling a few bucks by selling cigarettes.

[Revelation 911]

yet the medics seem to be in trouble too - hmmmm