Posted on 10/29/2014 6:43:13 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
Marihuana use creates the perfect Democrat demographic, stupid, lazy, and crazy.
Is it bad that pot smokers are self deceived ?
Yes its deadly.
Thanks for implicitly conceding that marijuana has legitimate medical applications. Have a source for your figures?
When you don't have an argumet claim victory or demand sources.
No demand, just a question - and the burden of proof lies on the party making the claim, otherwise we could just play claim/counterclaim all day.
Here's an argument: if as few as 30% of medical marijuana users have legitimate medical needs, then medical marijuana should continue to be available to them.
[I don't want to play any more....]
Bye.
So none of these people deal with anything? I find that very hard to believe.
They must deal with things just as those that are not stoned have to, right? How else do they hold jobs, pay their bills, have money for pot?
Have you thought that using pot helps them deal with things? Because it makes pleasant things more pleasant and unpleasant things less unpleasant, it’s bad?
How is having a problem and feeling very bad about it, better than having a problem, and not feeling that bad about it?
No one avoids reality.
How is being self deceived deadly to pot users, or even to those that do not use it?
“Besides, it does make her a little high, and it’s nice to see her smile and laugh.”
Some FReepers think that warrants a SWAT team raid or even death penalty.
Exactly.
I know a guy who DID drop out of college and ended up in a mental hospital. He’s out now, but he still hears voices. Doctors said hat it was heavy use of marijuana.
Sir I'm sorry but did you miss my point that much? If you want pot, go ahead, But I can't understand why we all have to agree that its harmless when it's not.
I saw society change when pot came out on the scene. I saw good people ruin their lives. I can stand here and act like its no big deal. I'm sorry for offending you, my purpose was to counter things said which are truly deceptive...
I know, sad
That’s amazing how so many of us know someone or something, that reinforces what we say!!
I don’t believe I said it was harmless, or that we all have to agree.
I am responding to what you said. Perhaps if you didn’t paint with such a large brush and generalizations, you wouldn’t get these kinds of responses.
Opposite - since well before any state had legalized pot, teens have reported that they could get it more easily than beer or cigarettes ... which is to be expected since legal sellers card and illegal sellers don't.
The street dealers will always be able to undercut the legal dealers on the black market because of the tax the government will put on the legal stuff.
There are a vanishingly small number of illegal dealers in the mind-altering drug alcohol (also taxed) - so a tax-bolstered black market is not an inevitability.
If you legalize marijuana, you’ll eventually have to legalize other drugs.
Clearly not true - the mind-altering drug alcohol is legal, but we haven't and thus didn't "have to" legalize anything else.
Marijuana is addictive.
So are alcohol and tobacco - more so than pot, in fact.
The marijuana of today is much more potent than anything that was around in the 60’s and 70’s.
Liquor is much more potent than beer - what of it?
Will we now have to grow government and create yet another agency to regulate and oversee the standardization of marijuana?
Regulation is less onerous than criminalization.
Will marijuana smoking be banned in public places like tobacco smoking? There are already hooka bars, they will just supplant the fake stuff with the real stuff. Then taverns will argue that since marijuana smoking is allowed in hooka bars, people should be able to smoke tobacco in their bars. There are as many tars and nicotine in marijuana as tobacco. So the second hand smoke argument will be gone.
If legalizing pot ends 'public' smoking bans, I consider that a good and conservative outcome - the owners of any 'public' establishment have a natural right to say whether smoking (anything) is allowed on their property.
For most of her treatment, she got chemo every three weeks. On the day of her treatment, I took her home and put her to bed. She slept a bit fitfully and woke up very groggy. That second day she would smoke a bit of marijuana. We tried a sweet brandy with the oncologists approval that it wouldn’t interfere with the chemo drugs. It worked pretty well as a general analgesic but irritated her stomach.
Two or three puffs on a pipe and she relaxed, smiled a bit, ate well and slept well. The next morning she wasn’t hung over, no vomiting and a hard-to-define mellowness that carried her through the day. Often she would smoke that evening as well but that was it until the next treatment. 4-6 puffs every three weeks hardly sounds like drug abuse to me but I’m not the moralist with an ax to grind.
Hopefully, someday all those axes will have been ground down to nothing.
Well, there are a lot of people who could lose nine points of IQ and no one would notice, but not most people.
Frankly, I didn’t believe it when family members said that the schizophrenia was due to excessive marijuana use. I thought that they were just afraid of the possible stigma of hereditary mental illness, but new studies indicate that marijuana does negatively impact cognitive abilities.
We have a young relative who has been diagnosed with addictive personality disorder that all started with marijuana. She’s a mess, but she still managed to get decent grades, when she made it to school.
I read those responses and didn’t see the counter-factual content you found. Could you point it out for me? Thanks
Obligatory Disclaimer: I do not use any drugs stronger than black coffee and I do not use alcohol either. I do not plan to and would not if legalized.
I think what we are seeing, is that since alcohol and pot are both easy to get for youths, pot abuse can go undetected far longer than alcohol abuse, and kids can function better stoned than when drunk. Most of the older folks here probably snuck beers and liquor when they were kids, but use of alcohol is so obvious and too much, so debilitating, that it was mostly just used on weekends, with friends. Not true with marijuana.
2,
'They should just drink 180 proof Everclear and be like normal people. After all, it’s legal and no side effects.'
A swing and a miss. Doesn't even mention marijuana, and I know of no case where the 60’s New Left criticized alcohol.
11,
'Wrong. It is not magical thinking in that marijuana DOES provide a myriad of health benefits.'
Correct - from post #22: '“There are many indications for which THC would be a good medicine if you have the right formulations and dosing,” says ElSohly. [...] “Does it lower intraocular pressure for glaucoma patients? Yes it does. Does it reduce anxiety? Yes it does. Does it stimulate appetite? Yes it does,” ElSohly says.'
'Furthermore, side effects are minimal.'
Poorly defined and open to debate - but hardly "Magic Marijuana."
'Everything has side effects including food.'
Correct.
'Keep legalizing it. Even Bill Buckley (who was what I like to call a “friendly acquaintance” of mine back in the day) proposed legalizing it.'
He did.
'Probably 90% or more of my Prosecutors office wanted it legalized.'
No "Magic Marijuana" there - and the 60’s New Left didn't cite prosecutors as evidence for their side.
A second swing and miss.
16,
'Or the countless Big Brother approved pills that are proven physically addictive, toxic to every bodily organ and far more impairing. They turn people into disabled pill addicts for life who sit in their section 8 home and get their exorbitantly priced pills delivered at taxpayer expense. Big pharma moves entire warehouses full of heroin, speed and downers.
'Can’t have anyone growing their own medicine and gotta make sure the “right” people keep getting paid with our dollars...'
A third swing and miss. No "Magic Marijuana" there - and not an anticapitalist attack on big pharma but a conservative critique of their anticompetitive crony-capitalism.
18.
'Plenty of US Citizens starting with G Washington and T Jefferson have used cannabis and did NOT become CRIMINALS! [...]'
They grew hemp, but the weight of the evidence is against their having gotten high.
'I bet you'd like nothing better than to kick in good old George's door, and throw a few grenades in his window!
'Drug Nazi!'
Ad hominem, arguably in the style of the 60’s New Left.
So that's three strikes, and a dribbling single, for you - back to the minors.
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